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The ShadowComedian  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525  |
alternately . . magician with bioware, specifically pain editor, which let's you ignore ANY stun damage and gives you +1 on willpower, while engaged . .
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Oct 10 2007, 09:29 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Ignore the effects of any Stun Damage. You still take the damage and fall over when it gets too much. |
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Oct 10 2007, 09:36 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
if that has not been changed by some revision or something else i don't see that happening . . |
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Oct 10 2007, 09:36 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 829 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 770 |
Incorrect, actually:
You don't drop till you fill your physical from overdamage. |
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Oct 10 2007, 09:37 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
Pai Editors do work to soak large amounts of drain. But um... we're dealing with overcasting here. The Pain Editor is useless (except for the +1 Drain Resistance die).
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Oct 10 2007, 09:38 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Which I define (I believe correctly) as 'too much'. ;) |
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Oct 10 2007, 09:39 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
oh, yeah, been a long day at work x.x . .
*shrugs* with that thing just go as high as you can while staying in stun and you're all set . . |
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Oct 10 2007, 09:40 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Well, Stun Damage rolls over into Physical Damage after the Stun track is full. If you keep taking Stun Damage after that, you fall over when the Physical track is full. |
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Oct 10 2007, 09:40 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 829 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 770 |
true enough, and pretty broken...maybe not as much as the radar implant though.
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Oct 10 2007, 09:59 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
Logically, Bunraku slaves should also burn Edge to escape their fate. But, Bunraku is still a booming business. |
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Oct 11 2007, 12:35 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,269 Joined: 18-September 06 Member No.: 9,421 |
I thought most NPCs didn't get edge? I know spirits have it, and prime runners, and I vaguely remember some suggestion that a group of bad guys get a pool of edge = to the highest(or maybe it was number of guys) edge there, but for some reason I thought your average joe on the street did not get edge.
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Oct 11 2007, 01:15 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 609 Joined: 13-August 07 Member No.: 12,615 |
Speaking of making out with an ally spirit...should someone become intimate with a spirit, can a child result from such a union? Merlin, for example, was said to be just that. And what about children sired by possesing/inhabiting spirits? Are there any Qualities that result from having a spirit "parent", assuming it's even possible in the SR mythos? Imagine the "Spawn of Verjigorm"...I imagine it as being along the lines of HP Lovecraft's "Dunwich Horror".
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Oct 11 2007, 08:53 PM
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Cybernetic Blood Mage Group: Members Posts: 3,472 Joined: 11-March 06 From: Northeastern Wyoming Member No.: 8,361 |
My understanding is no, in the Sixth World you can't have children with spirits although if I remember correctly it has been stated that Astral Sex is a viable option.
However, I've been told that in the Fourth World it was possible, but I'm not really all that familar with Earthdawn so I could be easily mistaken... |
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Oct 11 2007, 08:58 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,180 Joined: 22-January 07 From: Rochester, NY Member No.: 10,737 |
Paging Ancient History... Paging Ancient History... Bobby, are you there? :) |
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Oct 11 2007, 09:53 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,089 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,813 |
aina had a child with a horror. i would say that's proof that it was possible in the 4th world ;) |
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Oct 11 2007, 09:57 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
whyt's it with people screaming bloody murder about Bionic Dix and Cyber-Tits but wanting to have sex with basically everything ?
and would that be necrophile as ghosts are technically not alive? |
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Oct 11 2007, 10:15 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
Why do you think you're supposed to get your Ally dikoted before having sex with it. For protection.
A hybrid-merge Fly-woman-man (male spirit in a female body) gave birth to a half-Invae baby in canon. So yes, it is possible for spirits to reproduce with metahumans. At this point in the mana cycle it may be limited to Inhabitation spirits in metahuman bodies, but it is possible. At any rate, it'll probably only work if the mother has a physical body, but one can't be certain. |
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Oct 12 2007, 02:40 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 609 Joined: 13-August 07 Member No.: 12,615 |
Ah yes...Universal Brotherhood. The artwork for that baby was interesting.
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Oct 12 2007, 05:51 AM
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Cybernetic Blood Mage Group: Members Posts: 3,472 Joined: 11-March 06 From: Northeastern Wyoming Member No.: 8,361 |
Well I have always personally classified beings from the Deep Metaplanes apart from spirits as they tend to follow slightly different rules.
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Oct 20 2007, 08:28 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 524 Joined: 12-April 06 Member No.: 8,455 |
This thread is made of win and nightmares.
At least there are (apparently) no rules for enslaving a free spirit as an ally... yet. I will note that with some extra abuse (stat buffs sustained by something as simple as a F1 housecat ally), an ordinary human can soak (assuming edge spend, not burn) an average of 10DV (+5/9 of their initiation level if they have centering, plus foci) per drain roll and tank 13S+22P DV (depending on whether you're overcasting) between both drain rolls. I'm not totally certain if you have to be conscious when you spend the karma; if you overflow on the bind drain (*after* succeeding on the roll), does the ally still go poof? Now, if you have karma to burn, pain editor+high initiation+centering lets you almost summon Cthulu as an ally; add in sacrifice, and you might get Hast--err, that guy. |
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Oct 21 2007, 05:30 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 249 Joined: 2-November 06 From: Bozeman, MT Member No.: 9,762 |
A few things:
1) I don't believe ally spirits can be spirits of man. SM isn't explicit, but it does seem to state that you summon and then bind the spirit and that it doesn't have a form before the binding is successful and you spend the Karma. Further evidence: allies' stats are straight force instead of using spirit type modifiers to each stat. Thus specializations and summoning or binding foci wouldn't work :( (a power focus though, should). 2) Allies don't by default have possession. Of course if you are of a possession tradition you can give it possession as one of its powers since it is normally available to spirits you summon. But why bother? Inhabitation is way more hardcore :grinbig:. 3) Where is this burning edge for exceptional success rule? I don't remember that one. 4) Unless I remember something completely wrong, Binding drain is usually twice summoning drain (unless you're binding an invoked spirit, in which case it is THREE times the summoning drain) 5)Um, I'm assuming this is SR4 cause of the edge references (and the form) but, DANG your stats and skills are high! (multiple Exceptional Attributes & Aptitudes?, via a nice GM I'd guess) Um, not really on topic, but wouldn't Gostwalker also have an Ally spirit. I mean you don't actually think he's going to spend his karma upping his strength to 46 do you? He already knows most spells, and has really incredibly good skills (sorcery group 8, etc.) Or are dragons incapable of creating allies? Wouldn't that be interesting? |
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Oct 21 2007, 06:23 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,180 Joined: 22-January 07 From: Rochester, NY Member No.: 10,737 |
Dragons are capable of creating ally spirits, they just usually choose not to; "the idea usually does not appeal to us," according to the First Wyrm. The only dragon specifically mentioned as having an ally is Ryumyo; they ally's name is Jurojin, and he supposedly makes great form spirits and many adult dragons look like wimps. |
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Oct 21 2007, 08:31 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 524 Joined: 12-April 06 Member No.: 8,455 |
I'll give it a shot, see if I can be coherent this late at night... 1) Ally spirits are kind of every type in your tradition and no type at all, at the same time. I would say that "ally" would be a distinct type as far as mentor bonuses went, which means that existing mentors wouldn't help. However, per RAW, you can give your allies any power from any spirit type you can summon. 2) My understanding (and I've been wrong on this exact subject before) is that you always have a choice between Inhabitation and (Materialization OR Possession), with the latter depending of course on your tradition. Is there a point to not using Inhabitation if you're a Possession tradition? Well, it has its own set of options; your ally only has to Possess something when it needs access to the material world. It's somewhere between Inhabitation (you're stuck in there) and Materialization (go where you like, but no DNI or stat stacking for you). 3) It's in there, I'm just too out of it to go looking right now. 4) Binding drain is exactly the same as summoning drain; you're just facing twice as many dice, which may be what you're getting at, but isn't quite the same thing. I still think invoking and allies don't fit together under RAW, but if it's allowed, yeah, you're playing Russian Roulette at the "win the game or die" level. 5) If you mean my math, that's not natural anything. That's assuming all 9s from stat buff spells that are being sustained by another ally so they don't cost you dice while you summon the big one. As for why dragons don't have them... IMHO, that's a personality thing. Dragons are very private, manipulative, untrusting, and egocentrical. And that's just the good ones. For all its supposed loyalty, an ally is an outside party that could potentially be a liability to the dragon. Heck, the way dragons treat everybody else, an ally might take on the same personality, and try to break free at the next upgrade--even if it's a thousand years from now. That would be a singularly bad thing, as an escaped ally would know all of the dragon's deepest secrets, and naturally have a strong desire (revenge, self-preservation, you name it) to use those secrets to eliminate the dragon. It's a risk, and therefore dragons are unlikely to take it. |
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Oct 21 2007, 10:38 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 249 Joined: 2-November 06 From: Bozeman, MT Member No.: 9,762 |
Um, can't you only have one ally at once? (and upgrade it for twice the karma cost?) Or did I get the wrong impression from that section?
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Oct 21 2007, 10:41 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
There is no such limitation. Also note that Ghostwalker is extremely likely to have one or more Ally Spirits, as he is renowned for his unique abilities when it comes to Spirits. |
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