 What is Trideo?, Difference between our television |
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 Nov 22 2003, 04:51 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 197 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,542  |
Now I may have just missed this somewhere, but what exactly is trideo and how is it different from television today? Is it sort of like a holographic image or what?Any comments or canon page references are welcome. Thanks in adavnce
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Nov 22 2003, 05:09 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 334 Joined: 17-November 03 From: Texas Member No.: 5,828 |
I'm under the impression that the "trid" portion is because the terminal is a television, computer, and telephone all rolled into one.
But I don't remember if that's something canon or something I've just picked up. |
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Nov 22 2003, 05:30 PM
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Not Cameron Diaz Group: Retired Admins Posts: 472 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Newark, Delaware Member No.: 188 |
IIRC, it was talked about in the Sprawl Survival Guide. I can't find my copy, so I can't give you page number. Sorry.
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Nov 22 2003, 05:32 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
it is, as i understand, like three-dimensional (three-d, trid, trideo) holographic television. what exactly that means, i couldn't tell you.
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Nov 22 2003, 05:36 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 9-June 02 Member No.: 2,860 |
Trideo is "pseudo-3D" TV. It doesn't (normally) project a hologram above the surface of something, but apparently uses a flat panel display like: These Sharp Displays I can't quote you page numbers, but I do recall seeing trid described as using 2D panels to fake 3D. |
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Nov 22 2003, 06:49 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
think of the funny pics you can get at tiems where you have flat images that seems to be stacked one below the other. that how i see the trid to work. os therefor if your looking at a newsfeed you wil see the person up front and the corner image furter back but they will still be flat images.
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Nov 22 2003, 07:13 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 9-June 02 Member No.: 2,860 |
No, existing 3D flatscreens are more advanced than that. They can fake, well, 3D images, not layered 2D displays. See my reference to the Sharp 3D LCD. |
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Nov 22 2003, 07:15 PM
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Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715 |
IIRC, wasn't it said that they had yet to create true 3D? I'd assume trideo went along with what LH said. A combination TV, PC, and phone.
I, as always, could be very, very wrong and misguided. |
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Nov 22 2003, 07:52 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,685 Joined: 17-August 02 Member No.: 3,123 |
I'm curious, do you know if this thing works if you tilt your head sideways? |
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Nov 22 2003, 11:19 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 9-June 02 Member No.: 2,860 |
As I understand, Sharp's 3D flat screens have a "sweet spot" that differs from person to person. Different people will have different spots where the alternating left eye/right eye images are focused. Tilting your head will probably shift the sweet spot. |
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Nov 23 2003, 12:05 AM
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Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill. Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,545 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gloomy Boise Idaho Member No.: 2,006 |
My understanding based on what I have read in cannon is that it is a TV, DVD, VCR etc, Phone, computer, camera all rolled into one, and it is also holographic in nature. |
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Nov 23 2003, 12:41 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,685 Joined: 17-August 02 Member No.: 3,123 |
Is it a sweet spot in the room, or a sweet spot on the screen? This thing seems downright bizarre to me. |
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Nov 23 2003, 01:50 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,028 Joined: 9-November 02 From: The Republic of Vermont Member No.: 3,581 |
I've always figured that trid was a retinal-projection system. It'd shoot a laser into your eye and draw an image directly on your retina. Slightly different pictures for each eye would provide a stereo effect, and it would alter the pictures appropriately as you moved your head. It'd require the trid to be able to track your head and eye movements fairly accurately, but that doesn't seem to be beyond the ability of SR computers. It'd also need a separate set of projectors for each viewer...
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Nov 23 2003, 01:53 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 608 Joined: 9-July 02 From: California Member No.: 2,955 |
^^^ That is sweet tech.
I always went for the holographic display thing, like vader and the emporer or r2's displayer. That is entirely non-canon, btw. |
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Nov 23 2003, 05:14 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
what your talking about is a telecom unit, trid is just part of the whole setup there. check sr3, p. 287. |
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Nov 24 2003, 03:25 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 31 Joined: 27-June 03 From: Past the Keeper, fourth plane on the left. Member No.: 4,820 |
The quote Pistons was talking about is on p. 24 (SSG). It describes trideo as "digital high-definition three-dimensional television".
With that said, I always saw Trideo as moving holograms. You know, those pictures that seem to pop out at you when you hold at the right angle in the light. Except that the way the images are produced using a trid, it takes care of any light problems. The holographic projection systems that Diesel was talking about have been mentioned in some of the novels, mainly in megacorp boardrooms, but not in any of the sourcebooks I have. Probably because they are still extremely expensive. |
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Nov 24 2003, 04:48 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 50 Joined: 14-April 03 Member No.: 4,450 |
I can't give page numbers, but I'm 95% sure trideo is called such because it's TV/Computer/Phone all in one (ie: trid). The actual TV, or trid, image is 2D, albiet very very high res, but there are extremely high end models that use true holographic technology. One of the perks of a high lifestyle, I think.
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Nov 24 2003, 06:34 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 71 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,832 |
I'm gonna end this now: SR3 p.291, both those cameras by Sony are "Trideo Cameras" and I doubt they're cameras that have TV/Computer/Phone abilities... Anyone remember those old arcade games in the early 90s, had a pseudo-holographic display, see Here. So SR should definitely be able to create something on that level (reasonably, that could be Trid there.) |
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Nov 24 2003, 06:40 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
with much, much, much higher resolution, of course.
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Nov 24 2003, 08:48 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 280 Joined: 21-April 03 From: Singapore Member No.: 4,487 |
I'm a fan of advanced tech and so forth. My SR universe is very much a mix of atmospheres found in Blade Runner, Judge Dredd, Minority Report, etc..
I like the idea of a trid firing images directly onto your retina if you're looking in that direction. One the coolest scenes to me in Minority Report was when the advertisements along the pedestrian tunnel were customised to Tom Cruise's character as the sensors read his identity of his retina and projected images onto it. |
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Nov 24 2003, 11:08 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 58 Joined: 8-November 03 Member No.: 5,802 |
I always imagined that the image worked somthing like looking into a box with flat-planed objects in it. Kinda like a big cardboard box, with flat pieces of cardboard of different shapes in it. It's not actually 3-D, but rather each object is projected independantly of other objects. To the casual observer, it might look similar to a 3-D effect; as you change your point of view in relation to the screen, you might get the illusion that you are seeing more, even though all you're doing is seeing the same thing, but at a slighly altered angle.
Don't know if that made any sense at all, but that's been my take on trideo. Basically, just a gimmicky TV that sounds like something the corps would definitely push on the masses as a way to make money (even if it's no better than a flatvid). |
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Nov 24 2003, 12:48 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,965 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Edinburgh, Scotland Member No.: 2,032 |
LOL. You also have the ultra-low tech version of a trideo; A gnome in a box doing a puppet show.
It is kinda 3D :wobble: |
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Nov 24 2003, 07:19 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 71 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,832 |
Minority Report has been mentioned a couple times, and I keep meaning to mention:
The movie is actually set in 2054 and was conceptualized by a team of futurists, meaning that a lot of technology in the movie could reasonably be straight (or scaled) ported to SR. The Precrime Hovercraft? Those are Thunderbirds, definitely. Trid? It may be that projection system John used, with the optical disks. If a GM wants one of the weapon devices (such as the sonic-gun-thing), (s)he could come up with something using existing devices (it's a ranged-concussion shot, maybe.) John's gloves that he uses to edit/manipulate the Precrime recordings would just be simsense-style gloves (detecting hand/finger positioning relative to the "screen.") |
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Nov 24 2003, 08:09 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,685 Joined: 17-August 02 Member No.: 3,123 |
No, it's the Nintendo Power Glove! ;) |
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Dec 20 2003, 11:19 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,129 Joined: 11-June 03 From: Tir Tairngire Member No.: 4,712 |
I feel like an idiot for asking this, but I've never been able to figure out what IIRC means. :?
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