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NightRain
post Oct 28 2007, 08:49 PM
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But does touching a cloud of mist with wood count as exposure? The rules seem to imply that it would, but it seems odd to me that a vampy cloud of mist couldn't float through a forest, or would drop back into physical form if someone tossed a toothpick into it.

Purely my own reading of it, but I wouldn't be worried so much about branches, toothpicks and the like for a vampire in mist form. I'd be more thinking about sawdust and the like. So no wandering through a sawmill or a logging camp in mist form...
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post Oct 28 2007, 09:06 PM
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There's one of the differences between SR4 and, say, D&D. D&D establishes a category for a template or quality such as "undead" so that GMs can consistently apply some core decisions about How Things Work. Are all paracritters magical, or does HMMV work by purely biochemical principles? Are vampires and ghouls alive in the way metahumans are, or walking corpses, or something in between? SR4 does not have that... yet; it just has the stats, without detailed fluff. (Same for the Matrix, really.)

Having characters strip down and get dressed again when using Mist Form or Shapechange or suchlike can be a hassle and some GMs prefer to gloss over it. (Also, it rules out turning into a sparrow and having any gear heavier than a coconut at your destination.) Having characters pick up 100 kilograms of cargo, Mist Form (or Shapeshift), and have their friend carry them in a bottle *as a way to smuggle 100 kilos of APDS over the border*, is also hassle. Cf. Turn to Goo on cyborgs and whether the cyberarm turns to goo, or can be extracted from the goo with, say, a magnet. Also cf. Improved Invisibility... the "your body, not your clothes" ruling was particularly fun for some watchers of the Fantastic Four movie because Jessica Alba was involved. (Also, casting Invisibility on, say, large trucks at intersections at rush hour, if a truck can be the "subject" of ImpInv.)

So, either way, hassles; you get to choose which set of hassles.
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post Oct 29 2007, 04:52 AM
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I agree.

For me, I prefer if things like Mist Form only affects the physical form of the creature, although I'd be willing to make a exception for foci and other things bound by karma (as well as thing paid for with Essence, of course).

I would assume that most of the fluff from previous editions would be a good guideline for critters, at least until more detailed stuff comes out for 4e. Making vampires and ghouls walking corpses would be a pretty big change to canon.
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