Creative specializations Options

[Fortune]

Wiki definitions are not really worth much.

As far as I am concerned, as hyzmarca said, if it teaches techniques to kill or disable people, then it is a martial art. That is the whole point of the word 'martial'.

[Cain]

Those are reasons for study. I'll point you at the first line of your definition:

[Fortune]

Note the 'teaches techniques' part of my post. ;)

And I wasn't really giving my version of an 'official' definition, as much as a brief summation of my opinion, as already stated by someone else. :D

[WearzManySkins]

Hmm so these would not be martial arts by you definition then
Noroshijutsu-Signaling Technique
Suieijutsu-The Art of swimming, both with and without armor
Bajutsu- Horse Riding Technique
HojÅ?jutsu-Binding Technique
Karumijutsu-is the body lightening art
Chikujojutsu-is the art of building and destroying fortifications
Senjojutsu-Field Deployment
Iaijutsu-sword drawing

Note
"Bujutsu is the Japanese word for "martial art". The long history and complex tradition of the Japanese art of combat is embodied in a variety of forms, methods, and weapons, each of which constitutes a particular specialization of that martial art. Each specialization, in turn, is known as a jutsu, and is indicative of the particular way or ways in which certain actions are performed. In the context of the Japanese art of combat, therefore, a specialization (jutsu) consists of a particular, systematic method of using a specific weapon that has been proven to be the most effective means of utilizing that weapon."

Note the top above have the jutsu in the last part of the name, ie they are martial arts.

WMS

[Riley37]

Wearz: I await Fortune's definition, but in the meantime, I define "martial" as usable in combat, or under the of domain Mars, Spirit of War.

Is there an element, aspect or variation of Parkour that involves disabling an attacker?

Wikipedia says: As martial arts are a form of training for the fight, parkour is a form of training for the flight. Because of its difficulty to categorize, it is often said that parkour is in its own category: "parkour is parkour."

[WearzManySkins]

@Riley37
It could be like Iaijutsu, the rapid drawing of ones sword, in itself does not kill anyone, but does get ones weapon out and usable.

Parkour can the same gets you over/up an obstacle to then allow you to combat your foe(s).

If by running or jumping over obstacles to get a message out, can be most devastating to ones foes.

The examples I listed above most do not disable or hurt an attacker directly, but they are "Defined" as martial arts. Now binding I would say as disabling ones attacker though. :)

Technique/Martial Art is merely a tool to allow you use your mind to gain what you wish from one's attackers.

WMS

[Riley37]

Fortune posted while I was attending to another tab!

"Martial arts are systems of codified practices and traditions of training for combat. They may be studied for various reasons including combat skills, fitness, self-defense, sport, self-cultivation/meditation, mental discipline, character development and building self-confidence, or any combination of the above."

This establishes that people study parkour for *many of the same reasons* as the reasons for studying martial arts. Not the same as establishing that it *IS* a martial art.

"jutsu" is translatable as "technique, method, skill or trick"; wajutsu (narrative skill), shujutsu (surgery), geijutsu (craft) and gijutsu (technique, technology).

Bujutsu emphasizes technique; budo emphasizes "-do" or tao, which I will not define here.

Anyways, back to Shadowrun, I would not allow Parkour as a specialization of Unarmed Combat... with one possible exception: an opposed test to bypass an attack of opportunity (see BBB p. 151, under "Interception").

[Fortune]

[Riley37]

New specialization...

Dumpshock Posting (+2: Hair Splitting)

[Cain]

[WearzManySkins]

@Riley37
I was posting Parkour being a specialization of gymnastics not a martial art.

Gymnastics (Parkour)
Running (Free Running)

Also I posted what you attributed to Fortune.:)

WMS

[Ghost in the Mac...]

Rephrase of an earlier question that I think got lost in the deluge of responses:

Many vehicle operation skills have suggested specializations of "Remote Operation". Would that differ from a specialization of "Rigging"? Could you take a specialization Pilot Ground Craft (Rigging)?

Meanwhile, all the other vehicle operation specializations are "specific vehicle type" -- and that seems kinda dull. Sure, I can see a lot of characters taking Pilot Ground Craft (Motorcycles). But how about Pilot Ground Craft (Stunts) or Pilot Ground Craft (Off-Road)?

-~GitM

[Redjack]

[Ghost in the Mac...]

Why not just say "Specialization: Rigging" then? :scatter:

-~GitM

[Redjack]

Good question that begets more good questions like: Why is syntax not consistent for every entry and why do we have questions, FAQs and errata? :P
The inevitable facts of my previous post do remain. :)

[Riley37]

I have a different interpretation, based on rules in three different sections (BBB 158ff Vehicle Combat, BBB 220 Controlling Devices, BBB 238-240 Drones) which may be addressed already on other threads. It sure seems to me that each of these levels was considered by at least one writer/editor, but that writers did not have consensus about them.

Level A: You give instructions to the drone/vehicle, often verbally. It interprets those instructions and chooses how to implement them, using its own stats. Example: "Rover 1, drive yourself back to the garage." Rover then uses Pilot stat plus Maneuver autosoft for any crash tests, and uses Pilot stat alone to remember where the garage is. Meanwhile, you can be busy doing other things and give no attention until either "Hey look, Rover's back" or "Hmm, shouldn't Rover be back by now?" - or if you like, you can observe Rover's progress on a screen or an AR display.
p238 "Drones acting on their own use their own Pilot and autosoft ratings for all necessary tests and act on their own initiative" See also BBB 221, Issuing Commands. "Rovers 1 2 and 3, drive yourselves back to the garage" is one Simple Action, and "Rover 4, drive to my location" is a separate Simple Action. Rover's Initiative equals Pilot plus Response, and Rover gets 3 IPs. (I imagine that people usually install a Pilot equal in rating to the Response.)

Level B: You remote-control Rover using some kind of control interface on your hardware (eg the joystick or up-down-left-right buttons on your comlink). You are choosing Rover's path moment-by-moment. Rover's sensors are feeding into a display on your screen or your AR. Kinda like driving a vehicle in a game such as Halo. The rating of your Command program represents the quality of the interface. "Remotely controlling a drone would take a Command + vehicle skill Test" p. 220. I interpret this as the mode also called "Captain's Chair" (page?), and "remotely controlling" by AR p. 159 (no bonus; you get +1 if you use AR while actually sitting in the vehicle's driver seat). Rover acts on your Initiative.

Level C: Jumped in, cold sim... rules are unclear if this is possible.
You see the input from the vehicle sensors directly onto your full field of vision, and you aren't using a joystick anymore; you experience the vehicle as if it were your own body. You get -1 threshold to all piloting tests (p. 159).
Directly contradicting text on the same page, BBB 239:
"Any tests are made using the rigger's own skills and attributes"
Two sections down:
"When observing through a drone, a rigger rolls Sensor (rather than Intuition) + Perception"

Level D: Jumped in, hot sim. Rigger risks Stun whenever drone is damaged and risks dumpshock if drone is destroyed, per BBB 239 "Jumping Into Drones". Text implies, but does not state, that all jumped-in rigging is hot sim (and thus impossible without hot-sim ASIST module).

[PlatonicPimp]

When explaining parkour to incredulous onlookers and cops, I've always called it a "Physical Discipline, like a martial art, only about movement instead of fighting."

I also have called it " the french martial art, you know, it's about running away."

[Mercer]

[DTFarstar]

I need to get a like "How-To Parkour" book or something. I'm pretty sure no one around here practices it, but it sounds interesting.

Chris

[Simon May]

I hate the term "Parkour." The sport was just as cool when people called it "Freestyle Walking."

[noonesshowmonkey]

Sometimes I think to myself that wikipedia is saving the world. Other times I feel like Wikipedia self incriminating and is the strongest case towards the world's damnation.

Ah the internet! Oh the internet!

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[eidolon]

[Whipstitch]

[Kyoto Kid]

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[...runs away really really fast with the aid of an air spirit's movement power].

[Simon May]