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 Nov 6 2007, 06:55 AM
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Immoral Elf  Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486  |
Speaking of Contacts ...
How are we to handle 'Gang Contacts' withing the Ancients? Are we assumed to have a standard 'contact level' with all (or most) other gang members? |
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Nov 6 2007, 07:06 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
Yeah, 100 Karma is SUCH a rip off for a starting character! I mean, like totally!
And Critias, I don't mind choosing another mentor spirit if you're really aiming for Adversary and prefer to be unique in that regard. My take on Adversary is probably going to be completely different anyway (more of the devil on your shoulder type). |
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Nov 6 2007, 07:09 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Not talkin' about that. :P :D |
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Nov 6 2007, 07:27 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
Don't give me no lip, boy. I will END you!
What the hell? I think I was just possessed by my great grandfather's spirit. This post has been edited by Doctor Funkenstein: Nov 6 2007, 07:27 AM |
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Nov 6 2007, 07:29 AM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
Nah, it's cool. Keep yours. I'm still not sure I'll be needing a mentor spirit at all (my character can always just be a pissed off Hermetic, if it comes down to it). Working on this guy is pretty much the first I'm cracking open anything but Adept magic in SR4, period, so my heart certainly isn't set on any one thing, and nothing about my character is anywhere near set in stone yet. If someone else that does know what they're doing has something in particular in mind, I'm certainly not going to bumbingly muscle in and make them change their character. EDIT: And, even so, I wasn't so much complaining about two Adversary followers as going "man, that'd make a great buddy movie." I imagine any group of 4-5 people, where two of them have a good chance of raging against the machine ™ every time someone tries to tell them to go do something...well, that'd be some entertainment, right there. Even just deciding where to go eat lunch can end in bloodshed. |
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Nov 6 2007, 08:35 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
In case you didn't know, Hermetics can have Mentor Spirits too. ;)
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Nov 6 2007, 02:46 PM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
What madness has SR4 wrought?!
...ok, well, that sounds just about perfect for this guy, actually. |
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Nov 6 2007, 03:17 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
Hermetic-style magicians have often had "mentor spirits" in a lot of fiction. Faust and Mephistopheles being a great example. Sure, he could have been an ally spirit or even a traditional spirit, too, but he works just as well as a mentor. If Roger Bacon were in the Sixth World he'd probably be a shining example of a Catholic hermetic mage with God or an archangel as a mentor spirit. Merlin had the druidic pantheon at his back as well as the Lady of the Lake. etc. :)
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Nov 6 2007, 05:10 PM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It makes sense just fine. One of the few spellcasters I've played (the only one to hit 20ish karma, in fact) was a very un-Shaman shaman, who didn't buy into most of the pseudo-NAN claptrap but who fit the Dog stereotype to a "T," despite his very hermetic mindset and approach. I know plenty of other characters that would be similar. Like I said, it makes perfect sense...but that still doesn't mean it's not creepy to hear after XX years of Shadowrun having such a well defined canonical split (that was, in many ways, one of the game's defining characteristics). It's just zany to read through the Magic stuff now and see how different it is.
In completely unrelated news -- does the shift to a 500 bp (rather than 400 + xp) build mean we're officially free to spend 250 on attributes? I'm having trouble making a (for lack of a better term) solid fighter/mage type, who's sort of by nature got to be halfway decent in pretty much every stat, as is. I've got (in theory) most of my character work done, and he stacks up just fine...compared to, y'know, the archetypes. *wince* Not so much when I try to hold him up to a Ghost or something. So I'm still refining quite a bit, and the option of extra attribute points might (or might not) help. |
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Nov 6 2007, 05:36 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
No, I'm pretty sure the intent is 400 BP with 100 BP/Karma tacked on for advancement purposes via FrankTrollman's system. Just having some difficulty describing it as such. :)
That said, don't forget that the 200 limit on attributes is only for Physical and Mental Attributes. Your Edge, Magic, and Resonance attributes are exempt. Your average elf with a full 200 points could easily have B 4, A 5, R 4, S 3, C 5, I 3, L 3, W 4. So it's not too bad, especially since "4 is the new 6." |
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Nov 6 2007, 05:43 PM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
Yeah, I remembered the latter part (Edge, Magic, etc). Just still looking at my sheet so far and looking at some of the sample NPCs and stuff, and feeling a little sub par.
I think part of my problem is I have a pathological fear of being helpless in a game, so I tend to take Firearm Group when Automatics would be fine, or Close Combat Group when all I really need is Blades, etc, etc, etc. Considering I normally do this in games without Groups even as an option, I'd hoped it wouldn't sting so bad in SR4...but it's still eating up points pretty fast. I'm feeling like "Average Man" across the board, instead of being actually great at anything (be it casting, summoning, ranged mundane, close mundane, stealth, athletics, social, or whatever). My wife calls it "solo character syndrome," where I always picture my PCs (regardless of genre) as being capable of holding down a story by themselves. Being decent as well-rounded individuals go, but less than spectacular when in a team where everyone's expected to have their schtick and really shine at something. |
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Nov 6 2007, 06:00 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
I had that problem, too, at first but I finally caved in and sold myself on some inherent flaws. They're what make a character anyway. :) And considering we have three magicians and an adept in the group, specialization is a much better road to take as opposed to trying to be a generalist. As you said, it tends to make you feel a little subpar at everything when you do.
I think Fortune is having a similar crisis, too. If it helps, my character's specializations are on conjuring, swordsmanship (we could be sparring partners!), and mind- and body-atlering Manipulation spells. Hand him a gun and he's suddenly Mr. Awkward, and if he's not channeling a spirit he's pretty much a pushover physically. :) |
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Nov 6 2007, 08:51 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Keep in mind that, even with the 200 BP limit on Attributes, you are always free to spend some of your bonus 100 to improve them.
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Nov 7 2007, 11:06 AM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
Oh, uhh, and for the record, am I the only one letting my pink mohawk out a little in this one?
As wobbly as I know I still am with the rules (which is a whole separate issue), I'm doing my best not to worry as much as I normally do about real-world nonsense and realism and junk like that, with my character concept and gear list and all that sort of thing. I can honestly say, for instance, this is the first character in my 16 years of Shadowrun gaming to have "sword" anywhere on his inventory list. I hope that's not going to be an issue with anyone. But, well, I can't think of a better time to play a little less cyberpunk and a little more fantasy, than in a game like this. |
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Nov 7 2007, 12:50 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
I'm thinking ... not really. ;) :D |
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Nov 7 2007, 05:16 PM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
*thumps head*
Now I find myself going "Man, this is a lot of work when the group's already got two mages that are gonna be better at it than me, anyways. Maybe I should just take Latent Awakening, squirrel away 50 of my bp/xp, and submit an otherwise Mundane sheet, along with my background, to Fisty." |
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Nov 7 2007, 05:26 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
Pfft, don't be a pansy! The more mages the merrier. If for no other reason than to make Fistandantilus cry.
And yes, I, too, am having a bit of fun with this character. Not quite the pink mohawk route, but still fun. We're not professional runners (most of us anyway), so it's nice to be able to shed a lot of the stuff that's the norm for them. Plus I get to build with a theme moreso than normal! Eeee! |
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Nov 7 2007, 05:45 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 931 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Somewhere near Jupiter orbit Member No.: 1,668 |
Argh! Brain hurting again.... so the 100 karma advancement, are we spending it BBB style (as karma) or as Frank's Karma to BP method or just Frank's using it as BP? Got kinda confused now :wobble: thought Ben had said spend it BBB sytle and with it as Karma... but been offline since Monday *8-<
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Nov 7 2007, 06:55 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
Frank's system all around. His original intent, apparently, was to go with the standard rules for advancement but he changed his mind to see how this works out.
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Nov 7 2007, 08:08 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 931 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Somewhere near Jupiter orbit Member No.: 1,668 |
Hehe kk, *digs calculator out again* *8->
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Nov 7 2007, 08:20 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Hey Fisty. Can we get an answer to my previous question about how to deal with Contacts within the Ancients themselves?
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Nov 8 2007, 01:32 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
Sorry for the waits on replies guys. Those damn intials "R" and "L" have been getting uppity again. Crit - 200bp on Core attributes (non-Edge/magic) and can build after that. Although really with the BP advancement, it's really the same thing, just semantics. Fortune - All Ancients in teh Seattle/Tir area would be considered contacts. Anything with a loyalty rating higher than 2 though you'd have to pay for out of your BP. Doc -
You suck :P Crit again - On Awakened vs non - Go for whatever you like. personally I get a bit annoyed when everyone is a mage just because I ran one ca,[aign a while back where everyone was magically active except for one rigger. I try to avoid telling people what hey can and cannot be (with the exceptiosn of Doc and Fortune who's dreams I seem to enjoying crushing. Go fig). But after tht one, three mages is not so huge a deal. And a mystic adept/mage isn't that hard to handle. they can be a lot of fun. Abd besides, they're a huge karma sink. Long way of saying ; play what you want, don't worry abuot me. :) |
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Nov 8 2007, 01:34 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
That's it. I *am* playing a Rancor Jedi in your next game. I don't care if it's not a Star Wars game or if you say no. I *will* play one, even if my sheet has a Jawa Splicer on it or something.
Just you wait. |
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Nov 8 2007, 01:38 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
:D We do still need to get that game going , don't we.
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Nov 8 2007, 01:39 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
What makes you think we were? :P |
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