Nov 21 2007, 05:55 PM
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Lets say Ares, big bad gun corporation that they are, get's hit by a bunch of Shadowrunners working for Fuchi (or whomever) who steal a prototype wizbang, which then will show up on the market under Fuchi's brand name.
Some traditions of play have the shadowrunners ducking and hiding for all they are worth until the heat blows over and Ares forgets about them, or at least forgets for the moment. Some Traditions also hold that Ares is gonna launch retalitory runs agains Fuchi in some sort of low intensity Shadow War. I mention this because these themes crop up again and again in fiction about the setting. Revenge generates no profits, only losses. Lets say our intrepid Runners have just busted out of an Ares facility with the prototype in tow. Sure Ares is gonna send goon squads after the prototype. They'll keep trying to recover it from the runners all the way up to the point where the runners hand it over to the Johnson. After that? They focus on the Johnson, then on the Fuchi facility where it's being reverse engineered... all the way until they realize that getting it back is costing more, and less likely to net them profit. That is how corporations think. They aren't going to risk assets ( goons) in a firefight with runners who don't have anything. Sure: Sgt Goon, the leader of the Goonsquad might want to test his boys against some candyass Runners. Sure, Executive Meatpuppet, in charge of R&D, is upset that his toy got lost. But more likely than not, each of them values his job more than he values the hollow thrill of kicking at rats. Meatpuppet is probably more interested in damage control than revenge anyway. I mean, he just lost the billion nuyen widget after all. Likewise, Ares isn't going to put Fuchi on a 'hit list'. Sure, they'll keep it in mind for next time, but revenge? Hurting Fuchi doesn't help the bottom line. Not by itself. No, they'll only hurt Fuchi if they can make some money from the deal. Steal a prototype project from THEM, or blow up the factory that produces the new Wizbang so their wizbang hits the market first. There is only one measure of success in business, the almighty bottom line. |
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Spike Revenge and the Shadows Nov 21 2007, 05:55 PM
Kyoto Kid ...this seems kind of an offshoot of the Corp War ... Nov 21 2007, 06:07 PM
kzt Unless Ares has sources inside Fuchi, the only lin... Nov 21 2007, 06:38 PM
FrankTrollman Pretty much. The only caveats I would place on tha... Nov 21 2007, 06:39 PM
Kyoto Kid QUOTE (kzt)Why wouldn't all your loyalty 1 con... Nov 21 2007, 06:55 PM
Spike QUOTE (kzt) Unless Ares has sources inside Fuchi, ... Nov 21 2007, 07:26 PM
Mercer I agree that its all cost/benefit analysis, but so... Nov 21 2007, 08:37 PM
HappyDaze QUOTE On the other hand, if killing you risks loss... Nov 21 2007, 09:39 PM
HappyDaze QUOTE If every time you steal 1 million nuyen from... Nov 21 2007, 09:42 PM
Spike QUOTE (HappyDaze) QUOTE On the other hand, if kill... Nov 21 2007, 09:48 PM
FriendoftheDork Several good points here, but I generally agree wi... Nov 21 2007, 10:06 PM
kzt QUOTE (FriendoftheDork) Thus Corps writing off the... Nov 21 2007, 10:08 PM
Mercer QUOTE (HappyDaze)No, the corporate court is going ... Nov 21 2007, 10:09 PM
martindv There are a ton of fan sites with quotes from the ... Nov 21 2007, 10:35 PM
Mercer Thats an excellent resource, martindv, I didn... Nov 21 2007, 10:46 PM
martindv Yep.
Which is why none of the AAAs go crying to t... Nov 21 2007, 10:58 PM
WeaverMount I'm sure many of you are familiar with the con... Nov 21 2007, 11:31 PM
kzt QUOTE (WeaverMount) Basically, you try to cooperat... Nov 21 2007, 11:52 PM
MaxHunter Besides, striking back as hard as you got hit and ... Nov 22 2007, 04:07 AM
Mercer This is what I meant when I said that its all cost... Nov 22 2007, 04:32 AM
Critias The problem is that if you play it so that, once t... Nov 22 2007, 06:09 AM
FriendoftheDork QUOTE (Critias) The problem is that if you play it... Nov 22 2007, 02:17 PM
HappyDaze QUOTE Any witnesses are likely to either not get a... Nov 22 2007, 02:27 PM
FriendoftheDork QUOTE (HappyDaze) QUOTE Any witnesses are likely t... Nov 22 2007, 02:53 PM
FrankTrollman If someone stabbed your sister, would you go back,... Nov 22 2007, 03:56 PM
mfb i don't like these discussions because they in... Nov 22 2007, 04:49 PM
HappyDaze QUOTE Well yeah ubiquitous cameras and recording u... Nov 22 2007, 04:53 PM
MaxHunter Funny this thread has come up, it kinda addresses ... Nov 22 2007, 06:20 PM
kzt Well, Ares knows they are grabbed.
For Ares to re... Nov 22 2007, 06:55 PM
Kyoto Kid ...well, I was on that run (3e though)
Our team p... Nov 22 2007, 07:24 PM
MaxHunter did you see kyoto kid? irony wins most of the time... Nov 23 2007, 03:37 AM
MaxHunter BTW, the lone star take and the "terrorist to... Nov 23 2007, 03:55 AM
CircuitBoyBlue If I were a big corporation that had the resources... Nov 23 2007, 04:16 PM
Ravor I disagree, by going after every team that hit you... Nov 23 2007, 04:49 PM
Sion_Smee Also you must remember that the corp has to keep a... Nov 23 2007, 05:49 PM
kzt You have an alternate game.
For example, AAA co... Nov 23 2007, 07:35 PM
Kyoto Kid QUOTE (MaxHunter)did you see kyoto kid? irony wins... Nov 23 2007, 08:14 PM
Spike I hate to point this out, KK, but by the standards... Nov 23 2007, 08:34 PM
CircuitBoyBlue QUOTE (Sion_Smee) Also you must remember that the ... Nov 23 2007, 09:07 PM
MaxHunter well.. I wasn' the Gm on KK's game, but, i... Nov 23 2007, 09:12 PM
Kyoto Kid ...and a lot of them were elves as I remember. Nov 23 2007, 10:18 PM
MaxHunter Well, for those interested in the outcome of the ... Nov 26 2007, 11:07 AM
kzt Well, unless Ares uses the patented SR "we on... Nov 26 2007, 06:03 PM
Spike And, if you emphasize the Punk aspects: No self re... Nov 26 2007, 06:30 PM
MaxHunter exactly, I am thinking on the line of Yamatetsu gu... Nov 26 2007, 06:31 PM
MaxHunter @spike; they sure didn't like the news, but I... Nov 26 2007, 08:48 PM
Spike QUOTE (MaxHunter) @spike; they sure didn't li... Nov 26 2007, 08:50 PM
Dashifen So here's a question: when a corp/syndicate/p... Nov 26 2007, 09:09 PM
Spike QUOTE (Dashifen) So here's a question: when a... Nov 26 2007, 09:44 PM
kzt If they players spray paint their street names on ... Nov 26 2007, 10:17 PM
Dashifen QUOTE (Spike) Assuming it is addressed to me
A... Nov 26 2007, 10:19 PM
Spike QUOTE (Dashifen) QUOTE (Spike @ Nov 26 2007, ... Nov 26 2007, 10:21 PM
HappyDaze QUOTE sniper rounds from a kilometer away with a c... Nov 26 2007, 11:33 PM
MaxHunter Though sniping the characters without previous war... Nov 27 2007, 01:15 AM
MaxHunter @Spike: sorry if I came out touchy in my post. I r... Nov 27 2007, 01:20 AM
psychophipps As a GM who just got done sniping the group's ... Nov 27 2007, 09:12 PM
HappyDaze QUOTE Well, the runners have a problem with their ... Nov 27 2007, 09:37 PM
MaxHunter Why the tech approach? give them a couple of knive... Nov 27 2007, 11:33 PM
Spike QUOTE (HappyDaze) QUOTE Well, the runners have a p... Nov 27 2007, 11:42 PM
Fortune QUOTE (Spike) ... what's 'er name ...
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Spike QUOTE (Fortune) QUOTE (Spike @ Nov 28 2007, 0... Nov 28 2007, 12:57 AM![]() ![]() |
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