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Why do different metahuman cultures exist at all? I particularly have a hard time understanding metahuman kingdoms. One day everybody in the US (or whatever it was at the time) was a human US citizen. The next day something goes wacky and Billy and Sue turn into a dwarf and an elf (along with a lot of other Americans). Billy and Sure are still Billy and Sue… with somewhat altered bodies. Billy and Sues family, friends and coworkers presumably will come to see Billy the dwarf and Sue the elf as… well.. Billy and Sue.. perhaps a bit shorter / hotter. Not only do Billy and Sue become Elves and Dwarves, but so do others millions of people… many of whom are public figures who have garnered great respect and admiration over the years. I would imagine that nearly everybody would have a friend, family member or somebody they respect who became an elf or dwarf. I don’t see a lot of cause for strife.

Generally in human history when you see one group who hate’s another, there always seems to be the “invader� scenario. One group sees something they once had claim to taken away or threatened by another group that is somehow a newcomer. I really don’t see that in the SR elf / dwarf scenario for the reasons I discussed above.

In real life equivalency, the closest phenomena I can see which correlates to SR’s elf / dwarf awakening is homosexuality. Just as with modern gays, all of the people in the minority group began their lives as “normal� and then something took them off randomly from a majority group member into a minority group. Generally any opposition to homosexuals living in peace comes from dopes who’s philosophy is shaped from a religious tradition with a specific prohibition against homosexuality. Elves and Dwarves would likely not even have this hurtle to overcome (particularly assuming a number of clergymen experienced the transformation).

Now, Orks and Trolls…. Well… Since they look ugly and have considerable changes in cognitive ability and even temperament. I can see a form of alienation occurring with them.

Where did metahuman culture come from? I understand different cultures having traditions that date back generations that set them apart from other cultures. But the Elves and Dwarves of shadowrun came from the same stock as everybody else. “Quick, we need a racial identity….Let’s make up some new holidays and stuff�. I think most folks would want to stick with the genuine cultural traditions of their families and ethnicity rather than some kind of hip cultural trend; particularly since dwarves and elves likely came from an equally diverse cross section of ethnicity, socioeconomics, religions, etc. I don’t see a lot of them seeing eye to eye when making up the new “traditions�.
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- Negalith   Help me understand something about Metahuman cultu   Nov 23 2007, 08:09 AM
- - Synner667   QUOTE (Negalith) In real life equivalency, the clo...   Nov 23 2007, 08:18 AM
- - Critias   For starters, no one "turned into" Elves...   Nov 23 2007, 08:19 AM
- - kzt   Don't think too hard about the SR background u...   Nov 23 2007, 08:22 AM
- - Negalith   Synner667....The reasons I chose homosexuality is ...   Nov 23 2007, 08:32 AM
- - Fuchs   I always thought that what "metahuman-specifi...   Nov 23 2007, 09:22 AM
- - DTFarstar   Actually, I think the best example is a very real ...   Nov 23 2007, 09:28 AM
- - hyzmarca   Homosexuals should stage a military invasion of Gr...   Nov 23 2007, 01:21 PM
- - FrankTrollman   Israel is actually a really good example. There wa...   Nov 23 2007, 02:11 PM
- - Eleazar   I agree with the general idea that is being displa...   Nov 23 2007, 03:04 PM
- - raphabonelli   QUOTE I think these changes are so radical and sig...   Nov 23 2007, 04:40 PM
- - DireRadiant   Why did we have a community of DS? Where did it co...   Nov 23 2007, 04:43 PM
- - Cheops   QUOTE (FrankTrollman) Israel is actually a really ...   Nov 23 2007, 05:48 PM
- - Backgammon   Also, don't forget the context. At around the...   Nov 23 2007, 09:15 PM
- - CircuitBoyBlue   I can very easily see metahuman culture happening ...   Nov 23 2007, 09:37 PM
- - Cheops   Well, one of the thngs that I'd definitely say...   Nov 23 2007, 09:42 PM
- - kzt   QUOTE (CircuitBoyBlue) What I can't see is, wh...   Nov 23 2007, 09:53 PM
- - Stahlseele   QUOTE Elves have always been portrayed in mytholo...   Nov 23 2007, 10:27 PM
- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (CircuitBoyBlue) What I can't see is, wh...   Nov 23 2007, 11:31 PM
- - Whipstitch   QUOTE (kzt @ Nov 23 2007, 04:53 PM) QUOTE (Ci...   Nov 23 2007, 11:57 PM
- - CircuitBoyBlue   QUOTE (hyzmarca) QUOTE (CircuitBoyBlue @ Nov ...   Nov 24 2007, 01:44 AM
- - HappyDaze   QUOTE What I can't see is, why only elves woul...   Nov 24 2007, 06:45 AM
- - Critias   Duh, that one's easy to explain. Everyone jus...   Nov 24 2007, 06:52 AM
- - Cheops   The funny thing about the Vietnam War was how the ...   Nov 25 2007, 12:48 AM
- - apollo124   Some of the metahuman culture stuff makes sense to...   Nov 25 2007, 06:45 AM
- - Simon May   QUOTE (CircuitBoyBlue)I don't care what happen...   Nov 25 2007, 05:56 PM
- - CircuitBoyBlue   Meh. That would require tech, and a dingy basement...   Nov 26 2007, 03:50 PM
- - Simon May   I thought trolls were the ones who liked nature? D...   Nov 26 2007, 07:16 PM
- - CircuitBoyBlue   I'm deducing their general behavior from the p...   Nov 26 2007, 07:33 PM
- - Spike   QUOTE (CircuitBoyBlue) I'm deducing their gene...   Nov 26 2007, 07:47 PM
- - ThreeGee   The thing to remember about SR is that fluff is ju...   Nov 26 2007, 07:48 PM
- - ThreeGee   QUOTE referred to their exclusive vegetarianism D...   Nov 26 2007, 07:51 PM
- - Spike   QUOTE (ThreeGee) The thing to remember about SR is...   Nov 26 2007, 07:52 PM
- - ThreeGee   Fluff is just fluff in SR, nothing else.   Nov 26 2007, 07:54 PM
- - Spike   QUOTE (ThreeGee) Fluff is just fluff in SR, nothin...   Nov 26 2007, 08:07 PM
- - ThreeGee   QUOTE Not everything needs a rule to back it up. ...   Nov 26 2007, 08:16 PM
- - Synner667   QUOTE (CircuitBoyBlue) Meh. That would require tec...   Nov 26 2007, 09:12 PM
- - CircuitBoyBlue   QUOTE (Synner667) QUOTE (CircuitBoyBlue @ Nov...   Nov 26 2007, 09:52 PM
- - ThreeGee   I wrote the rest of Synners quote, why the're ...   Nov 26 2007, 09:57 PM
- - Fortune   Elves have also been called 'Keebs' throug...   Nov 26 2007, 10:06 PM
- - CircuitBoyBlue   QUOTE (ThreeGee) I wrote the rest of Synners quote...   Nov 26 2007, 10:10 PM
- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (Simon May) QUOTE (CircuitBoyBlue)I don...   Nov 26 2007, 11:37 PM
- - ThreeGee   QUOTE If you want to stick strictly to hard rules,...   Nov 26 2007, 11:49 PM
- - CircuitBoyBlue   Neither do I, but if "fluff" is more int...   Nov 27 2007, 12:00 AM
- - Synner667   QUOTE (CircuitBoyBlue) QUOTE (Synner667 @ Nov...   Nov 27 2007, 12:52 AM
- - CircuitBoyBlue   It happens. I just meant to clarify, not sound def...   Nov 27 2007, 07:18 AM
- - Simon May   I guess this has become a discussion of what's...   Nov 27 2007, 05:15 PM
- - Moon-Hawk   QUOTE (Simon May) That being said Shadowrun with a...   Nov 27 2007, 05:31 PM
- - Simon May   I'd really like to say that you're right, ...   Nov 27 2007, 05:48 PM
- - Moon-Hawk   QUOTE (Simon May) I'd really like to say that ...   Nov 27 2007, 05:54 PM
- - Fortune   The original Deadlands and the d20 version are two...   Nov 27 2007, 08:25 PM
- - DireRadiant   QUOTE (Negalith)Why do different metahuman culture...   Nov 27 2007, 08:31 PM
- - Konsaki   QUOTE (DireRadiant) QUOTE (Negalith)Why do differe...   Nov 27 2007, 08:36 PM
- - Dashifen   I think Konsaki is just describing the first stage...   Nov 27 2007, 09:59 PM
- - Konsaki   QUOTE (Dashifen) I think Konsaki is just describin...   Nov 27 2007, 10:05 PM
- - CircuitBoyBlue   He's a heretic! Cleanse him in the name of...   Nov 27 2007, 10:38 PM
- - Critias   QUOTE (Dashifen) I think Konsaki is just describin...   Nov 28 2007, 06:05 AM
- - Dashifen   True ... I prefer Apacabombie myself.   Nov 28 2007, 03:37 PM
- - Fortune   Bah! Zombilypse has so much more style. Soun...   Nov 28 2007, 07:13 PM
- - Dashifen   But if you're dyslexic you read "Zombilyp...   Nov 28 2007, 11:28 PM
- - Fortune   Even hours later, I still can't rid myself of ...   Nov 29 2007, 12:16 AM


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