Naval damage codes, what was that conversion again? Options

[Kronk2]

i don;t really feel like stealing another copy of rigger3 online, and was hoping for someone to throw me a bone. Wasn't it something line NL was +15 power and ND was +40?

[kzt]

We found the conversion as written doesn't work well. When my character finally got a target for the rail gun on the Tbird it did less damage then a panther cannon IIRC. It was absurdly low compared to what we expected. Can't remember what the heck the details were now.

[Kagetenshi]

For Power: multiply base Power by the number of DLs above D (x1 for LN, x2 for MN, etc.).

Weapon is considered AoE against normal-scale targets.

Stage damage as normal, except that LN stages to D instead of to nothing. If damage remains in the Naval scale, follow the box-filling progression past 10 (LN=15 boxes, MN=21 boxes, etc.).

As a result, the Xicohtencatl is fairly underpowered at a mere 6 Power even against ordinary-scale targets; a beefy Troll or someone with a lot of Combat Pool can expect to survive a low-success hit. The simplest way to fix this is to bump up the Power multiplier by one (x2 for LN, x3 for MN, etc.).

Curiously, there's no comment on armor that I can find. While a strict interpretation would indicate that it therefore applies, I think it's reasonable to treat it like AV ammo on a direct hit at least.

~J

[Snow_Fox]

or if you try to catch a 4.5 inch shell-you go boom!

[Shockwave_IIc]

[Kagetenshi]

[Snow_Fox]

Is that your rule or something in the books. seriously, a humanoid shape should not survive a direct hit by a 4.5 in shell. Concussion alone should shred the body of even the toughest troll/

[Kagetenshi]

There is nothing in the books talking about what to do with metahuman-scale armor in naval-scale damage, so it would be my own rule, in contrast to what would otherwise be assumed to be full canon—that armor counts normally.

We're also not talking about a 4.5 inch shell, though the legal Biff could (assuming that's a Light Naval Gun, at 8LN) survive a hit from that ~2.35% of the time.

~J

[Pendaric]

The unwritten rule here I think indicates junky salsa effect.

[ShadowDragon8685]

I don't really have a problem with uber-trolls surviving a direct hit with a naval weapon. I mean, his archtype is that of the Brick; he is clearly focused on surviving direct hits. While he presents a target and takes a direct shot from a railgun, his buddies step out with rocket launchers and shred the T-bird.

Of course, you have to be some kind of crazy to deliberately make yourself a target for a Naval-scale weapon, but it can work. On the other hand, more normal Shadowrunners are almost certainly dead unless they invoke the Hand of God.

[Kagetenshi]

The above (legal) amount of armor, ten Combat Pool, and a Body of only 6 provides you with an 11% chance of surviving, which is a little on the high side. Of course, this all depends on impossibly high Quickness or base Combat Pool; I might have to see if I can work out a more realistic example if I get the time.

~J

[Snow_Fox]

[ShadowDragon8685]

Then again, one has to wonder exactly what kind of naval gun can actually track and engage a metahuman-sized target. Smart munitions certainly can if they're being rigged in (or the old-fasioned varient: laser-designated), but I woulden't think main big-boom guns would traverse fast enough to engage a Shadowrunner.

[kzt]

If you are running at 20km/hr at 5km you are barely moving more than 0.05 degrees per second. I think they can keep up. IIRC, the HE round has something like a 200 meter lethal radius.

[ShadowDragon8685]

[kzt]

[ShadowDragon8685]

Oh well.

Even so, you can still say that you were so damn hard they had to use a ship to engage you. Not the pintle-mounted MGs or the Marines, they had to fire the main guns at you. That's something. :)

[Daddy's Litt...]

In WW2 they could track and destroy Japanese planes. Bigger than a runner but moving 300 mph.

Someone already said it, but it bears repeating- chunky salsa!

[Kagetenshi]

It should be noted that for normal-scale objects (including living objects), naval-scale weapons are treated as having an AoE, so chunky salsa can indeed occur if the target is too close to a wall.

~J

[ShadowDragon8685]

[Snow_Fox]

And you'd be wrong. The primary batteries couldn't track but it was found in a massed attack, their shells threw up enough concussion to disrupt airplanes. In attacking the Bismark, the one swordfish brought down was taken out by the concussion of a passing hsell from their 15 inch main battery.

For tracking-the 5 inch secondary armaments could and did track. The idea was to lead the aircraft and let fly at where it would be when the shell burst. Think of it like really, really big skeet shooting. Again to hark back to the Bismark, they tried to do that with the Swordfish attacking wth torpedos but those relics of a past age flew so slowly the guns couldn't track on them. After the first shot the secondary guns tracked faster than the planes could fly and shot harmlessly ahead of the British planes.