 Mystic Armor, Spell resistance? |
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 Dec 6 2007, 09:40 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 689 Joined: 16-September 03 From: Colorado Member No.: 5,623  |
Mystic Armor says the critter gets it against all astral attacks. Does this include spells?
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Dec 6 2007, 09:42 PM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...I believe not. I think it only applies to Astral Melee.
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Dec 6 2007, 09:59 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 689 Joined: 16-September 03 From: Colorado Member No.: 5,623 |
So is Magical Gaurd the only power to give critters added protection against spells?
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Dec 6 2007, 10:07 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 829 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 770 |
Unless they're sentient and magically active and have counterspelling. (such as dragons, some nagas, etc.)
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Dec 7 2007, 12:17 AM
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Awakened Asset Group: Members Posts: 4,464 Joined: 9-April 05 From: AGS, North German League Member No.: 7,309 |
There are the immunities not being sentient comes with. Depends on the spells you have in mind.
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Dec 7 2007, 02:52 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,755 Joined: 5-September 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 9,313 |
The term "Mystic Armor" is used in two places, both an adept ability and one sentence in a spell. Although not terribly clear in the text, its been made clear since that its not a spell "barrier".
A question thats come up many times in play, is can we make a spell that does create a spell barrier armor. Could with existing rules a magical guard spell be made? |
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Dec 7 2007, 03:24 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Well, you already have Mana Barrier, which is pretty much a spell barrier. There's no reason you couldn't adapt it to be Caster-Only, for your very own Personal Spell Armor. |
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Dec 7 2007, 03:44 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,755 Joined: 5-September 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 9,313 |
My question to players is does'nt this work both ways. Would'nt it hamper spells cast by the protected party? And certainly effect spells cast on the protected party.
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Dec 7 2007, 03:54 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Yes. |
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Dec 7 2007, 04:28 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,838 Joined: 1-September 05 Member No.: 7,669 |
However, you could cast in on your non-spell-slinging friend (if Touch and not caster-only) and let him go to town. If you're one of those Possession-trad guys, you can also whip it up when you want to just rely on physical ass-kicking.
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Dec 7 2007, 05:08 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
Definitely, it would have to; that's the only thing that would balance it against Counterspelling. |
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Dec 7 2007, 05:21 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,755 Joined: 5-September 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 9,313 |
What about phys ad powers....killing hands?
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Dec 7 2007, 05:33 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,664 Joined: 21-September 04 From: Arvada, CO Member No.: 6,686 |
But fortune, you can throw up a mana barrier around yourself for some quick extra spell protection, and cast through that just fine.
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Dec 7 2007, 05:45 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
You can? Really? The spell description doesn't say anything about that, although it does reference another section......following......hmmm, and that section does say that mana barriers (that's mana barriers, the general heading including Wards, the spell Mana Barrier, etc) do not affect their creators. You seem to be right about that. Good call. |
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Dec 7 2007, 07:14 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
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Dec 7 2007, 07:15 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Wards don't affect their creators. |
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Dec 7 2007, 07:17 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
:| I don't understand this conversation. |
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Dec 7 2007, 07:27 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Note that it says nothing about a Mana Barrier's creator being able to cast spells through the barrier at will with no penalty. The text clearly delineates how the Barrier does and does not effect its creator. |
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Dec 7 2007, 07:33 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
If that's really what it's trying to say, then the phrase "Mana barriers do not affect their creators," is poorly chosen.
Personally, I think the whole thing works better the way you're arguing, and I'd like to think that's what the book means, I'm just not convinced that's what the book says. |
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Dec 7 2007, 07:39 PM
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Old Man of the North Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 10,223 Joined: 14-August 03 From: Just north of the Centre of the Universe Member No.: 5,463 |
Since a spell cast by a mage is a separate magical entity from its caster, there is no contradiction between "does not affect their creators" and "any target of a spell... receives a bonus...". The caster herself is not affected. Any spell cast through the barrier is.
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Dec 7 2007, 07:57 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,245 Joined: 27-April 07 From: Running the streets of Southeast Virginia Member No.: 11,548 |
But the spell is from you / of you. You can use the traces of the spell to figure out who cast it. Therefore, it has to have your aura in there. Since Mana Barriers don't affect their creators, why would they affect spells their creator casts since the creator's aura signature is on the spell? |
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Dec 7 2007, 08:01 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 689 Joined: 16-September 03 From: Colorado Member No.: 5,623 |
Following the original thought. Mystic armor does not provide protection against spells. Ok, so that leaves Magical Gaurd as the only critter power to provide extra protection against mad spell slinging players. So then can one individual have more than one source of magical gaurd working on him? Say a insect queen has three soldier spirits in attendence when runners come calling can all three soldiers protect the queen with this power? Will it stack?
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Dec 7 2007, 08:44 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
Teamwork test, just like counterspelling. |
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Dec 7 2007, 08:55 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
mystic armor would help against killing hands, as it's a physical attack. it would also, i believe, help against elemental mani--er, indirect combat spells, like fireball. |
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Dec 8 2007, 04:08 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,664 Joined: 21-September 04 From: Arvada, CO Member No.: 6,686 |
Oh, but it does. The magician simply allows the spell they are casting to pass through the mana barrier (as the text says they can) and thus remain unaffected. Also, please point out where a ward doesn't affect its creator? Because you're contradicting the book by stating mana barriers do but wards don't. |
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