Riggers!, What are the basics one needs??? Options

[Bastard]

[Stahlseele]

ah, i see . . we've basivally raised availability to 11 and allowed beta and cultured bioware . . but weapons above 11 is still big no no *g*
and of course we've upgraded limbs to hold everything that could be rightly put into them . . no foot-anchor in arms/torsi but basically everything else that is not made for one specific limb *g*
if you want to put 800k into your arm, fine, have it your way . . but don't come whinning when you break that arm *nods*

[Fix-it]

[Kagetenshi]

[Stahlseele]

oh, todays high-security glass used in dimplomat cars and the such is actually much more durable than ther SR3/4th stuff . .
there's actually glass than can and will withstand to an entire clip fired at it from an AK47 for example . .

[tisoz]

[Stahlseele]

it's not the GM's fault for me being stupid *g*
even with grade modifiers . . did you notice that you can in fact start with an Delta Data-Jack? if you forget about it being Delta . . it's got an Availability of 8/0 and costs 8k nuyen O.o
if we were to downgrade our cyberlimbs, we'd probably use 4th ed Aug rules for Limbs . . but right now, it's easier like this . . and of course it's easy and cheap to armor up one limb . . but if the pre-made adventure calls for dangerous cyber to be deactivated and you use a shock-glove to kick-start(literally) your own cyber-legs it's your own(in this case mine) fault for not waiting 5 minutes untill you can get the codes to do that without damaging them ^^

[Telion]

I have to agree with people suggesting the use of tact computers, orientation systems, and GPS. I'll also suggest a knowsoft link with some external storage you should have anyway. if your going for broke - a mnemonic enhancer lvl 3, lowers your karma costs on skills by 1, skills being something we riggers need a lot of.

The SL is a great drone whose desirable point is the armor, it can mount an AK or something reasonable starting. The thing is meant to live through hell, however it has the problem of being fairly inept at shooting targets so the only effective way to use one without upgrades is to be jacked in. Still I try to include 1 into my builds as an effective means to get a team into where they need to go, I've usually used this drone as the one I primarily jump into until I can get an ares guardian, and even then it remains effective in many situations.

Other tracked/wheeled drones in this class are good to have as well, they may not have the armor of the SL, but if used as support drones, their boost in sensors and pilot may make them useful to dissuade mooks from getting too close.

Rotor drones are essential as well. While they may not have the ability to enter buildings as effectively, they are able to change positions to adapt to different situations. Additionally they can provide decent intel gathering and travel faster than blimps, just keep them at a good range from ground troops. They are also easier to travel with in most situations.

Get at least 1 drone with an arm please. nothing will stop you in your tracks like going a reinforced door you need to type a pin number in. its down right dangerous to do that on scene as it is.

[wargear]

A neat little addition to add to your primary vehicle, is a holographic driver.

This gives you the ability to change the apparent driver along with the colour and licence plate, by generating a high quality hologram in the drivers compartment. Sure, it won't hold up to detailed inspection, but thats half the point, if they're doing a detailed inspection of you, you already messed up.

With the ready availability of TriD equipment, someone with the right skill set would be able to whip up one of these in short order.

As for the good old Steel Lynx...get it a bigger ammo hopper and let it lay down suppressive fire. Accuracy doesn't mean squat if all it's doing is spraying a couple of hundred rounds down the hallway...

[Ed Simons]

[Fortune]

[Kagetenshi]

I don't know about "absolutely no presence" (well, ok, I guess it's true—probably, at least, like most of Aztlan), but even just not being the urban provider goes a long way. Chicago, for example, is primarily contracted to Eagle Security.

~J

[Stahlseele]

and then there's still allways silencers/sound suppressors *g*
but i just don't get why people would want that weapon anyway . . Savalette is basically the little brother and not much worse with some strength to help with recoil for example O.o

[Fortune]

Savalette Guardian only fires one burst per Complex Action.

[Stahlseele]

meaning you waste ammo and accumulate recoil faster if i ain't forgetting something . . and in my eyes, if you need more than one 12S Burst you're doing something wrong *g*

[Kagetenshi]

Like maybe firing at someone with enough combat pool to dodge one attack, even at TN 5?

~J

[Stahlseele]

's why i am not such a big fan of Smartlink . . only on REALLY Close is it better than Laser-Pointer if your eyes have zoom in them . . and Success at TN3 before modifiers is good enough in most cases anyway . . and you get to use combat pool for more successes too, so it evens out more or less . . and most of the time, if you can get away with firing a savalette without recoil modifiers because of your strength it does not matter if the other guy can dodge your attack, because you're pretty much likely to be able to do the same with his attack or simply soak it up

[Fortune]

To each his own. I have always found the Savalette Guardian to be highly over-rated.

[Stahlseele]

*shrugs* i HAD an Thunderbolt once . . team almost did not make it because lone-star did, in fact, identify the weapon by the sound of the gun-shots fired by me . . and did react to it as if they were dealing with cop-killers <.< . . i threw the damn thing some hundred meters away and made bee-line for the opposite direction *g*
never had such problems with a Savalette and if you get 2 matching pairs you can handle them in style ^^

by the way, why do you think it is overrated? O.o
at least it has the option of firing single shot . . i think the thunderbolt only does burst or am i remembering that wrong?

[Kagetenshi]

I haven't, but that's mostly because I've never heard it rated that highly. Don't think I've ever actually seen a player take it or taken it myself, but I'm not certain.

It might be a good choice for a lower-skill character, provided they had access to some basic recoil compensation. The penalty to opponent's dodge and extra damage and Power could make up for the lack of expected successes.

Edit: Stahlseele: well that's your problem right there, you didn't kill them off. Any time you leave a cop (of whatever the appropriate corporation or, in rare occasions, governmental affiliation) alive, you embolden them to interfere in your business next time.

~J

[Stahlseele]

i usually try not to kill too much <.< . .
i just use gel/gamma scopolamine untill i get one or two medium damage done to me ^^
i did NOT shoot at the STAR . . they just happened to stumble upon me trying to defend myself with one of those weapons <.<

[Straight Razor]

my drones will blot out the sun!

[Stahlseele]

perfectly viable tactic . . makes one think why the NPC's try something like that from time to time . .
and if you do something like that think of the electronical warfare . . especially encryption to stpo other people from hijackthis your drones *g*

[Telion]

[Bastard]

Edit: regarding the Thunderbolt:

CC, p19: "Because it is the chosen weapon of Lone Star, officers of that organization can recognize the sound of a Thunderbolt being fired from a considerable distance, and will harass and/or detain any non-Lone Star person carrying one."

Note that they do not do so in a manner consistent with the law, as the legality code is 2P-E. It gets you more unwanted attention, but is no less legal or more difficult to get a permit for (on the books) than any other Heavy Pistol.

~J

The part I just bolded convinces me that the weapon is a bad choice.

Well, so far he mostly runs away and hides in his van, so that isn't a problem. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rotfl.gif)

Savalette Guardian only fires one burst per Complex Action.

meaning you waste ammo and accumulate recoil faster if i ain't forgetting something . . and in my eyes, if you need more than one 12S Burst you're doing something wrong *g*

Like maybe firing at someone with enough combat pool to dodge one attack, even at TN 5?

~J

Or maybe you have two targets. A second burst fire might help there a little.


Thanks for all the rigger help everyone... I am finishing up the character respect today.