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 Jan 28 2008, 12:18 PM
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#151
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Awakened Asset  Group: Members Posts: 4,464 Joined: 9-April 05 From: AGS, North German League Member No.: 7,309  |
The order of books was changed around. SR5 is after Unwired :grinbig:
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Jan 28 2008, 12:29 PM
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#152
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
They were a Fields of Fire addition. |
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Jan 28 2008, 04:01 PM
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#153
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Shooting Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,755 Joined: 5-September 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 9,313 |
Whats the associated costs? |
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Jan 28 2008, 04:04 PM
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#154
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...half it's armour value modifier still counts against encumberance so people won't necessarily be layering it on as in 3rd ed. Where it really has it's a benefit is wearing it underneath the lighter forms of the styled clothing armour. Also Saw that Zoé still offers the "Second Skin" line as well. |
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Jan 28 2008, 04:49 PM
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#155
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,883 Joined: 16-December 06 Member No.: 10,386 |
It's also important to remember that encumbrance penalties for being just a couple points of armor higher than your bodyx2 aren't really -that-debilitating provided your character has decent reaction and agility scores to begin with; I wouldn't go over my encumbrance limit for just a point or two, but for four ballistic, I'd start considering it. For example, even an elf or a human with only 4 body could potentially get quite a bit of mileage out of an armored jacket, form fitting halfsuit and a Pain Editor or Trauma Damper. 12 ballistic before cybermods are considered is nothing to sneeze at.
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Jan 28 2008, 05:32 PM
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#156
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...I just don't like penalties to begin with. There are enough conditional ones to deal with that I have no desire to load any more on considering my characters usually don't have outrageous double digit DPs to begin with (well...with the exception of Kat Markova's First Aid Skill, but then that group doesn't have a mage).
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Jan 28 2008, 05:45 PM
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#157
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,883 Joined: 16-December 06 Member No.: 10,386 |
It all depends on the dicepool ranges and where your primary skills lie. A couch potato Hacker/Rigger or Mage may still be better off taking a -1 Agility/Reaction penalty in exchange for 4 armor rather than hoping their modest meat skills will always be enough to prevent them from catching a bullet, especially since their jobs sometime include leaving their shoes briefly unattended whereas my Covert Ops character would be much happier simply wearing some shin and forearm guards under her chameleon suit and avoiding the penalty. To each their own.
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Jan 28 2008, 06:13 PM
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#158
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Technomancer Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,638 Joined: 2-October 02 From: Champaign, IL Member No.: 3,374 |
You forgot to count that one :D Edit: Or, did you stop. I thought the running tally was interesting. |
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Jan 28 2008, 06:27 PM
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#159
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Very well might be. I'm old and senile. I just know they've been out as long as most other armor options. |
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Jan 28 2008, 07:00 PM
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#160
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...gave it up after surpassing the century mark. Just was getting a little bit old to me. [Well I was trying to put a link to the actual response here. but for some reason couldn't target the actual post. All I get is the top of the page the post is on instead of the response itself. When I open the post with the "edit post" option and copy/paste the location from address field in Firefox,( the way I remember doing it) the the link goes to the right post but pulls it up still opened in "editing" mode (very bad). I know I have done this before so I am not sure why it isn't working right.] |
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Jan 28 2008, 07:21 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
You could do a search for your specific post and then use that link.
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Jan 28 2008, 10:09 PM
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#162
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 141 Joined: 12-August 05 From: Helsinki Member No.: 7,552 |
Maybe this isn't the right place to ask this question, but still, I will:
Will there be any other gear/vehicle books for SR4? Are there any plans for something? Like catalogs of sorts. I mean, everybody and their mama loved Street Samurai Catalog and the Rigger Black Book. Kinda like CP2020 had Chromebooks... |
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Jan 28 2008, 10:12 PM
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#163
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
cant say there have been any announcements, and i suspect its a bit far ahead to say.
they still need to get unwired out there to cover the last of bit of expanded base rules before one can really start to do sota:xx style books again imo. |
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Jan 28 2008, 10:43 PM
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#164
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Awakened Asset Group: Members Posts: 4,464 Joined: 9-April 05 From: AGS, North German League Member No.: 7,309 |
So far they have done a great job of keeping the power level. Too many systems have sourcebook power creep. Once Unwired is finished, theory demands that they only publish background books.
Additional gear could easily be handled by the Holostreets subscription service. |
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Jan 28 2008, 10:54 PM
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#165
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Or not! Some of us are not necessarily in the position where subscribing to anything is feasible. That, and then there's the problem of what is considered 'official' in 'official games', where not everyone may have access to any such net resource (if it ever manages to materialize). |
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Jan 28 2008, 11:12 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,089 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,813 |
.... so, in other words... you think they should wait until SR7 before releasing any new gear? |
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Jan 29 2008, 01:24 AM
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#167
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 385 Joined: 20-August 07 Member No.: 12,766 |
Sorry to jump way ahead, but with Arsenal out, where does the release queue stand, and what's the approximate date on Unwired?
Arsenal is great, btw. So much in there that it boggles the mind! :D |
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Jan 29 2008, 02:41 AM
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#168
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...yeah when I fired up the PDF last night I felt like the proverbial kid in a candy store.
I absolutely love the fashion armour. Some old faves are back - like the Victory Industrial and Zoé Heritage lines - and a couple new ones, in particular the Vashon "SteamPunk" line (boy, is Violet gonna like that one...) Also glad to see the forearm guards are back along with Shin Guards. The Weapons section is excellent, a lot of choices and styles (already made some adjustments fo the Short One's armoury). I especially like that little revolver that can fire wither LP or HP rounds and The Gyrojet is back (though I expected it to be just a little more nasty though the upside is you can get it a chargen now) Still not sure about the advantage of having a Cougar Fineblade though, given the weapon's high cost compared to other blades with the same stats (or the vibro blade). Skimmed through the explosives section & it looks pretty good at first glance, particularly when it comes to "home cooking". Makes the appropriate Knowledge skills actually somewhat more useful. The vehicle offerings are OK. Didn't see some of the venerable old timers like the C-60 Titan or the Ares Dragon, Also passenger/cargo capacity (except where obvious like with cycles) seems to be a hazy area as someone already pointed out. I actually kind of like the uni-motorcycle that is one huge wheel (Violet may have to get one of these too, just because it's so odd). And drones? She's already making a shopping list. I actually have mixed feelings on the martial arts section. They did good on streamlining it somewhat, and a number of manouvres like Finishing Move, Reposte and Two Weapon Technique are rather cool. However, I would rather this was kept more closely tied to Armed/Unarmed combat skill (as it was in CC) instead of being made a Quality. Because of the higher cost (particularly after chargen) I don't see many adepts dumping points this way when they have initiation and MA improvement to deal with. ....ahhh, so much to still go through, so it's off to home and my big easy chair and my notebook comp. |
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Jan 29 2008, 05:48 AM
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#169
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,089 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,813 |
am i the only person who noticed the ares dragon in the core rulebook? isn't that like the second time someone has grumbled about it not being in arsenal? seriously, before you grumble about what *isn't* in arsenal, open the main book and look what *is* in there =P
(in all seriousness, just about anything that isn't in arsenal could probably be fairly easily adaptated from what is in arsenal) i have to say, i personally like arsenal. sure, there's a few things i could have wished for in there, but i can survive =P (i would really have like new rules for vehicle combat, but as has been noted, that's the harbinger of a new edition!) |
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Jan 29 2008, 08:26 AM
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#170
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,328 Joined: 28-November 05 From: Zuerich Member No.: 8,014 |
SCK's been around since SR1, Street Samurai Catalogue to be exact, with their SMG model which according to the text was used by the Red Samurai. |
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Jan 29 2008, 08:56 AM
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#171
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Target Group: Members Posts: 78 Joined: 5-February 05 From: Lake Stevens, WA Member No.: 7,055 |
We'll have a Second Quarter Release schedule posted up soon, that'll cover the next batch of Shadowrun Books. Watch the CatalystGameLabs.com website (as well as Shadowrun4.com of course) for the schedule! |
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Jan 29 2008, 10:38 AM
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#172
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,556 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 98 |
There's also the Nitama NeMax pistol and Optimum II rifle, the Eichiro Hatamoto, the Shiawase Armaments Puzzler pistol, Nemesis LMG, Retiarius net gun and Blazer... Japan is fairly well represented here. Not to mention katanas, nodachi, nunchucks, shuriken, tonfa, sais... |
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Jan 29 2008, 12:35 PM
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#173
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Awakened Asset Group: Members Posts: 4,464 Joined: 9-April 05 From: AGS, North German League Member No.: 7,309 |
No, the last grumping was on missing armored vehicles. Like the citymaster, which is also in the main book. |
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Jan 29 2008, 12:44 PM
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Awakened Asset Group: Members Posts: 4,464 Joined: 9-April 05 From: AGS, North German League Member No.: 7,309 |
Then there are cheap Russian and Chinese knock-offs of nearly everything. If you can´t get rid of that special rule, at least take advantage of the fact that quite a bit of the worlds best cyber- and bioware is manufactured in Japan, up to and including Chiba. That -4 could be great. |
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Jan 29 2008, 01:03 PM
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#175
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
especially considering that corporate enclaves there being 3 delta clinics in and around chiba O.o
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