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 Dec 3 2003, 01:43 AM
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Manus Celer Dei  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802  |
It varies. There are a lot of answers. There are a lot of REASONABLE answers. Plus, if you're running the Shadows because you want to make a difference, and I hand you a million nuyen, you're either going to spend that on stuff to help you run or you weren't really intent on making a difference in the first place.
But they don't have a million nuyen. They have a million nuyen worth of stuff. If most of that stuff is inside their body, it isn't going to keep them from starving when their actual cash reserve starts running low. Nor will it buy them a fake ID when the Star starts looking for them. ~J |
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Dec 3 2003, 01:45 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
You'll note that the category is called 'Resources', and not 'Nuyen'.
The character may never have seen even a tenth of that million ¥, but might have been paid in cyber, or acquired things in other nefarious ways. The category also includes Contacts, which really have nothing to do with money, but are a very important resource. I'll agree that most people that have 1,000,000¥ in their hand at any one time would probably not pursue a shadowrunning carreer (but some still would), but that is not the way the Resource category works. |
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Dec 3 2003, 01:57 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 61 Joined: 26-November 03 Member No.: 5,852 |
True - someone with heroic urges might take the million and run (pun intended). That's a reasonable explanation, which is what I was suggesting many million-nuyen characters don't have. (From a factory and spray-painted in flesh tones - now that was funny!) If most of that stuff is inside their body, how did it get there? Who paid? Again, it's a background issue. I'm not saying that million-nuyen characters are ridiculous so much as the munchkins who often play them are. Now, contacts . . . Oh, my, think of how many you could buy with a million . . . |
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Dec 3 2003, 02:00 AM
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Senior GM Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,406 Joined: 12-April 03 From: Redmond, WA Member No.: 4,442 |
Contacts ..... my first Face character listed Contacts as "one of each". Yes, he started with high resources.
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Dec 3 2003, 02:03 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 55 Joined: 7-September 03 From: Holiday,fl Member No.: 5,595 |
The same argument could be said of taking 50 skill points, its a rare 20 year old that's world class in anything. Its all in the background. I personally make my characters a little older to make room for the years of experience that helped them gain the skill knowledge, the million nuyen, or whatever.
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Dec 3 2003, 02:03 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
Even assuming a character with a million nuyen in Resources were a millionaire (and as others have pointed out, that simply isn't the case 99% of the time), the chance to earn a cool 10,000 nuyen plus the profit from the gods-only-know-how-many BTL chips for a few hours work is tempting. |
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Dec 3 2003, 02:04 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Most munchkins just go with the stock "oh, he was a corporate assassin who vanished, paying a decker to delete all records of his existence."
Which isn't a bad example for maybe a handful of actual runners over the course of the Shadowrun world. It's once you start getting the numbers of these into the hundreds from all the munchy players out there that it gets silly. ~J |
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Dec 3 2003, 02:06 AM
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Senior GM Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,406 Joined: 12-April 03 From: Redmond, WA Member No.: 4,442 |
After the first handful disappeared, the corp made another handful and sent them after the first handful. They disappeared too. And so on. ;)
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Dec 3 2003, 02:10 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
It's a little less tempting when you realize all it takes is one lucky burst to ruin your day, maybe your week if it's APDS. :grinbig: -Siege |
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Dec 3 2003, 02:11 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
If you're an experienced runner and they're really a gang, it's free money. If they have APDS, you go back to the J and demand medical costs plus additional compensation because no basic gangbusting run should involve APDS rounds.
~J |
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Dec 3 2003, 02:18 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
True, true -- there's always gonna be that one silly little fragger with a full mag that he inherited from his brother on his deathbed just in case. :grinbig: He's got that one Ingram labeled "Just in case", ingraved in gold and silver with custom grips and that slightly hinky smartlink that doesn't work unless ya bang it just so... -Siege Edit: If you have thousands of corporate assassins disappearing into the shadows, I suspect low-rent thugs will be investing in "anti-corporate assassin" magical items. :grinbig: |
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Dec 3 2003, 02:29 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 266 Joined: 16-April 02 From: DC Member No.: 2,605 |
In the campaigns I find myself in, players often take the million nuyen with little to no explanation. I've played two characters with the one million nuyen option. My backgrounds:
1. Former Urban Brawler who was expelled from the league for fixing games for the Yakuza. :sleepy: 2. Former Witness Protection specialist who gave a few of them up for the money. Now he has a big hunted flaw, but lots of cyber. :cyber: |
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Dec 3 2003, 02:34 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 61 Joined: 26-November 03 Member No.: 5,852 |
I personally do the same - I think the youngest of all the ones I've made was 25. Sorry, Azryl, I didn't mean to hijack your thread and take it into "explain the money" country. I'm kind of surprised that of all the things I said in my post about the point-based system, that's the only one that generated comment. You'd think that someone would have jumped my case for saying I hate trolls and they would cost 12 in my campaign . . . |
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Dec 3 2003, 02:39 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
You stated that you hated trolls. You didn't say you hated trolls and they had no reason to exist, or you hated trolls and thought they were unbalanced, or you hated trolls and everyone who plays trolls is a munchkin. You merely made a statement of opinion. What were we going to say? You lie! You really love trolls and think everyone should be one!
My characters vary in age, but are typically in their late 20s. ~J |
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Dec 3 2003, 02:41 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 55 Joined: 7-September 03 From: Holiday,fl Member No.: 5,595 |
Ok i'll jump on your case :) nothing beats a troll with double digit body and stregth, dikoted kantana, and wire reflexes 3 :D
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Dec 3 2003, 02:49 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Sure there is! A troll with double digit body and strength, dikoted claymore, and wired reflexes 3. :D |
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Dec 3 2003, 02:55 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Dikoted telephone pole. You get another point or two of Reach that way.
~J |
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Dec 3 2003, 02:59 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
Pfft. Troll + Ranger-X Bow = No Chance To Survive.
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Dec 3 2003, 03:05 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 61 Joined: 26-November 03 Member No.: 5,852 |
I hate players like you . . . ;) |
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Dec 3 2003, 03:20 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Psht. A troll with a ranger-X only deals about as much damage as an assault cannon, only starts at M, and doesn't have the 2.4 km range.
~J |
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Dec 3 2003, 03:36 AM
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Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715 |
Not true. They got it somewhere, whether it be by needing the edge, so they saved up/stole it/earned it somehow. They might've gotten it from a chop-shop they hit recently, or they might've gotten it as a present from their chummers. Just because you start with 1,000,000 :nuyen: does not mean the character has had a total of 1,000,000 :nuyen: in possession throughout his entire life. You do know the average amount of money it takes to raise one child from birth to 18 is approximately $1,000,000? Do you have that much in stuff? No! It's used on food, clothing, life needs, and other things like toys. The average includes gifts given to the child. What makes a 'runner so different? That must also mean a Full Mage with Sorcery 6 (Which is pretty damn good) shouldn't be on the streets, because he could obviously be teaching at MIT&T. Oh, and, who says they saved up the 1,000,000 :nuyen: straight? It comes in bits and pieces, then goes in chunks for lifestyle, living expenses, and SOTA. Edit: Same Troll, but with a Dikoted No-dachi. :D |
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Dec 3 2003, 04:24 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,116 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,449 |
I think there are lots of runners who got their 'ware from a corporation or organized crime organization. I do think the old "They think he's dead/they're hunting him" thing gets old. There are plenty of good reasons they could be running the shadows, though. Maybe, like the former company man archetype, they realized what they were doing, got disgusted with it, and quit - but with no money and no prospects for legitimate work, they do what they used to do, only now they do it so they can retire and get out of the business altogether. Maybe they were former employees who were let go after a screw-up, or after they were made a scapegoat, or after the stresses of the job burned them out.
The company doesn't have to hunt down every single last employee! But I imagine that cybered corporate types have a high risk of burn-out, or screwing up and being fired, and so on, and the company probably chews people up and spits them out. They would arrive in the shadows with most of their money being withheld by the company to pay for their 'ware, with few options available to them other than running. And remember that the company has economies of scale and cyber-facilities and personnel that they are paying whether they use them or not - the character is not as big of an "investment" to them, although they probably do screen the candidates thoroughly, and get a good number of years of hard use out of them before tossing them to the curb. I'm mentioning this because a lot of people seem to think that anyone with a lot of cyberware has to be either hunted by his/her former employer, or owned by his/her benefactors. With mages, it's even easier to justify, since spellpoints, like contacts, are an abstract form of resources, and foci could easily be spoils of war or a gift from their mentor. |
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Dec 3 2003, 04:29 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
Not true at all. Regular dikoted tipped-arrows on a troll with a not-even-twinked-out Strength of 15 (Strength 9 + Bonus Attribute + Muscle Augmentation 4) do 20S damage alone. Heaven forbid the troll is an adept, which is most likely the case if they're using a bow. And the range is quite formidable, too. |
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Dec 3 2003, 04:34 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
But Dikote quickly makes the PAC the more cost-effective option, unless the GM houserules that you can batch-coat the arrows.
~J |
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Dec 3 2003, 04:46 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 124 Joined: 21-November 03 Member No.: 5,837 |
I'm sorry did you say Not twinked Str of 15...
Lets see...I could forgive the 9...possibly even 10, but 15...please. Unless you aren't assuming starting char...Unless you are talking 50+ karma into the game...anything above a 10 is just wrong. Hell even then a 10 is "best in the world...world renouned" abillity. Sure you could through in cyberware and extra adept boosts...But honestly... in a normal game why try to do that if you aren't twinking? |
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