Recruiting: Down in the Gutter - Second Phase, Life in Redmond's Newest Street Gang Options

[cREbralFIX]

Remember folks, Level 3 is "professional" -- THAT MEANS YOU CAN MAKE A LIVING AT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you never get past 3 in a skill, that's good enough.

[Eyeless Blond]

You have whatever leeway the character creation rules say you have. If it is acceptable under the guidelines then you don’t need to ask, if it doesn’t fall under the guidelines, then there is no leeway, unless it’s an issue of you not understanding/the rules not covering the issue in question.

If you want to improve the pilot ratings beyond what’s allowed by the guidelines, you’ll have to do it in game. On the bright side, it’ll certainly give you something to do with your free time.

Yeah... given my experience in LitS (three and a half years, and most of us are still in our second week), somehow I doubt I'll have the 6+ months necessary to program a drone pilot... the programming rules in SR4 are even more ridiculous than the SR3 version. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

The problem here is that the rules just don't cover what I'm looking for, at all. There are no rules for bug-ridden programs (yet), and the rules for used or flawed gear boil down to "ask your GM."

So I'm asking. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Slipshade]

Welcome to the next phase Neuntoter and Bear!

[Vegas]

You guys should both be approved to the wiki now... I still have to put up your pages, it'll take a bit of time but I'll post the links there in the thread when they're ready so you guys don't have to go looking for them...

Like we asked of Whipstitch and Dantic, we'll need one-liner descriptions for your characters for the roster page. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Vegas]

Ok, Pages are done

Will

Rico

Ask if you guys have any questions about working on the wiki. Save early and save often when you're working just so you don't lose everything (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Eyeless Blond]

Okay, quick update to concept. More in-depth detail later.

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Concept:
Name: Drip
Race: (Probably) Human
Age: 13-15 (unknown)
Previous Gang Affiliation: Not Sure Yet. Where can I find more info on the Brickhou


Background:

Drip was your classic BTL-baby. Born sometime in '57-59 to two chiphead parents, Drip was never really given a first name, and never knew his last name. Spending most of his childhood scrounging for food in the trash heap his family called an apartment, the only rare moments of pleasure he found were when Daddy would use a pair of trodes--the only things in the apartment that his parents bothered to keep new or clean--and hook him up to the Matrix to get him to stop crying.

As a result, Drip spent much of his time on the Matrix. Even as a very young child, he would spend hours playing in the datastreams, making up imaginary friends and even a few real ones, with all the bright-eyed wonder of a child.

So, it was no surprise when he was online the day of the second Crash. After several days in a coma, Drip woke up to find himself in the same apartment, alone. He never did find out what happened to his parents, if they had deliberately abandoned him, gotten lost or killed in the ensuing chaos of the Crash, or if they had just overdosed somewhere. By the third week it no longer mattered: there was no more food in the apartment, and hunger drove him to leave home to fend for himself.

Now the majority of the time, stories like these end up with the kid either starving in a ditch, sold into child slavery, or some other horrible fate. Drip, though, was fortunate enough to be a technical genius, albeit a slightly malnourished one, and has more-or-less managed to stay alive.

Personality:

Drip's personality is something like the Otaku of the early '60s: more at home in the Matrix than the real world. Being raised by machines almost as much as people, maybe more, he had at one time forgotten even basic social norms, like blinking, or not staring at people; even now acting human feels like speaking a foreign language to him. He gets by, mostly by relying on his youth, non-confrontational attitude, and technical genius. Most people do find it disturbing how he can hold entire conversations with a toaster or how he treats an engine block like an honored teacher, but those who know him also know how useful he can be, in the right circumstances.

Still not sure about gang affiliation; any more info available on the Brickhouse Boys and Lost Boys?

[Vegas]

Eyeless

There really isn't much more info on the two gangs outside of anything that might be in Shade's Journal on the wiki. The characters that were playing the gangers left over from those gangs are all in the inactive list.

I'd be willing to entertain you running with fleshing out either of those gangs within reason to work Drip into them. Obviously we'd want to have some say in that in case any of those 3 characters were to come back into the game at some point that their initial ideas weren't completely torn apart.

[Eyeless Blond]

Heh, yeah, I noticed the Lost Boys' character was a technomancer too. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

Okay, I'll work something out and post it this evening or tomorrow, along with a prelimiary build (I'll have to get on that part quick; if I do get approval I'm gonna have to do at least a little back-and-forth about used vehicles, as the book section regarding them is remarkably incomplete).

[Dantic]

Ok, I made a few last changes to Twiggs, bought some inline skates, think this could be interesting, (skate by purse snatching, lookout on wheels, etc.) I changed around some skills, done with those now, happy with what I got. Finaly did my takes on other gangs, should be good for review.

[WinterRat1]

Heh, yeah, I noticed the Lost Boys' character was a technomancer too.

That was also when I had three GMs on staff, one of whom was my Matrix Specialist GM, instead of just yours truly.

Find me another GM who's also willing to be the Matrix Specialist GM who also meets my standards for being on my GM staff and then we'll talk about you being a TM. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[Eyeless Blond]

I'd throw my hat into the ring, but then that'd kinda be the fox guarding the henhouse, wouldn't it? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Neuntöter]

i think

upstanding defense attorney turned rogue street wiz

fits the bill pretty good.

and could you fix that typo in my name on the roster?

[Slipshade]

i think

upstanding defense attorney turned rogue street wiz

fits the bill pretty good.

and could you fix that typo in my name on the roster?

Done, though I noticed it is wrong elsewhere too. You should be able to edit your pages, if you are having trouble let me know and I will try to fix them this weekend.

[Neuntöter]

ah, thanks. I wasn't aware that we could even edit parts of the roster. I thought that only extended to the actual character pages.

[Vegas]

ah, thanks. I wasn't aware that we could even edit parts of the roster. I thought that only extended to the actual character pages.

Nope, you guys can edit anything on the wiki... but please be careful when you're doing so. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Nice part is it keeps track of previous versions of pages, so if you REALLY screw things up they can be "fixed"... But I'd rather not have to go there (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

And FYI, I'm pretty anal about keeping the wiki "clean" so if you guys want to make pages please PM me and let me know so I can either tell you where to put them and how to name them accordingly or build a base page for you. Everyone's got their OCD's, this is one of mine. Plus it makes it a lot easier than having to move pages and/or rename and redirect them (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[lkim]

Here's the situation. The concept is just too out there and doesn't make rational sense from an in-game perspective. Why would a Bunraku parlor go through the trouble (and expense!) of turning him into a woman when they could easily snatch up a number of women and get the same results without the hassle?

The meat puppet story is for the how he acquire the some of his 'wares. Like commlink, simrig, cyber eye and ear. How about making him functional hermaphrodites? May be there's someone w/ taste like that. In that case, it doesn't matter who Bunraku parlor to pick up, because they all have to go through almost same modification. But, if it isn't rational, I'll accept the male Bunraku puppet idea.

Also, what makes him an asset to the Ravens as he/she is? Really there's not a lot there in the concept that would have the gang want him. They're not going to accept him out of the goodness of their hearts, he's another mouth to feed.

I wanted to make him to be simsense/BTL producer with counterfeiting skills. Which would bring financial benefit to the gang by selling simsense/BTL, and with the counterfeiting skill, I was thinking of operating small time counterfeiting jobs, such as credsticks and stuff, which it also be beneficial to the gang.

Some problems he might have to face are:
-Since he was gone missing for 5 years from the streets of Redmond, no one would recognize him (for being changed into a girl and all, if I use my earlier concept).
-Since no one knows or recognize him anymore, no one would trust him (which character have to earn the trust of Ravens or at least make Ravens to see that he is beneficial to the gang as money maker, whether he's a male or female).

And because of this, the character must go through initiation (if there is one), or may be work with them independently for while, as "potential," till Ravens accept him as family. But that's depend on what the group/GM thinks of this concept.

I did not put that story in the basic concept of the character, and I apologize for that. I meant to put those stuff in the 30 questions, where it asks those question.

If these ideas are reasonable to accept me in the game, give me a green sign. If not, please tell me where it needs to be changed, so that I can.

[Jaid]

[ok, the server is being dumb and won't let me quote properly... so use your imagination]

Jaid
Blade is a concept we can work with in game and the "low-tech" melee weapon making is an interesting twist, but know that you're not going to be creating uber fancy weapons with out there mods or high tech (obviously). Also keep in mind that making these things is going to take TIME in game. If you're not willing to RP it out or at least spend a lot of time as "Blade's off in the corner playing with his little toys" you're not going to be producing results IC'ly. Also, none of us are keen with the "gremlins" idea to be honest.

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(to save space)

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well, i expect he'll have a kit, and if nothing else will be able to make various things via flint-knapping (iirc macahuitls, tomahawks, and spears all would be reasonable examples... now if only a volcan had erupted right nearby and left all kinds of handy rocks around... *whistles innocently*). that would be something that he likely could do whilst also hanging around on guard duty, during gang meetings, etc. i don't see why i would have to sacrifice RPing just because he's making something, as long as i'm not trying to bring a machine shop with me to make gun barrells or something =P and of course, i agree that if he has his low-tech version of the kit, he needn't expect to make anything terribly advanced. on the other hand, maybe he'll be able to convince some talismonger to stock his weapons as being hand-made (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

as far as gremlins, i'm curious why not? i have some guesses as to what your concerns may be, but i'd like to hear from you to be sure. in any case, i'll throw out some observations that may change how you look at gremlins:

1) it doesn't technically affect cyber. makes no sense, but if you really have a huge issue with me not being able to use, say, a commlink, then *technically* i could have an implanted one, and it would work fine. though to be honest, i didn't plan on having any cyber in this character, since it's not particularly appropriate thematically in my head (yet, at least, though i suppose you could persuade me). i am considering sensitive system also, to reflect the whole "doesn't get along with tech" theme, in addition to gremlins, but that would still leave room for 1.5 essence of cyber.

2) it also doesn't technically apply except "whenever the character is attempting to use a moderately sophisticated device (late 20th century technology or later)." strictly speaking, this means that i could *technically* have, say, a motorcycle, provided i rip out the pilot program and the wireless stuff. i could *technically* have a gun (but not a smartgun) or a radio (but not a commlink) and it would work just fine. again, not quite what i had originally planned, but if it's a huge issue, i can just tone back the theme a little. i mean, having a radio wouldn't totally kill the RPing, since i can always just claim the effect is weakening and used to be stronger (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) .

3) if it really massively hugely bothers you still, for reasons that will be in spoiler (primarily for making it shorter) i *could* replace it with a combination of spirit bane, sensitive system, and simsense vertigo.

that said, i was actually planning on suggesting some changes on how it works... basically limiting him from using electrical devices and matrix devices, in particular, rather than limiting him in terms of when it would have been available chronologically to just what kind of device it is. for example, strictly speaking, a monowhip (which i won't be using, this is just for illustrative purposes) would be affected by gremlins. so would any attempt to use most of the drugs in the game, since they are post-20th century technology.

in any case, even if you decide gremlins is too much and you request i replace it with other similar flaws, i can still always just not trust electronic devices because of past experiences within the family =P

so then, anyways, here's a bit of backstory then, i suppose (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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Blade is a slightly taller than average dwarf (which makes him still pretty short), standing 123 cm tall and weighing 62 kg, mostly muscle. He likes to dye his hair unnatural colors, but his hair is naturally light brown, as are his eyes (he also likes to wear contacts that change their color too... he calls them 'Fremen eyes'). He has no facial hair, whether because he's just young or clean-shaven you can't really tell, and is dressed in leather made from a crocodile he bested in single combat. Once you get past his height, it's quickly obvious that he isn't a child, the scars all over his body attest to a lot of fighting experience. He looks remarkably well-fed for a barrens resident, probably that dwarven immune system lets him eat rats and not get sick so easily.. or maybe people just know better than to try and steal his food. Most unusual about him is that you can't seem to find his PAN, no matter how hard you look... and at this range, it's not just bad reception in the barrens, either. Seriously, how does this guy expect to have a social life if he won't even say hello?

Born some 16 years ago, Blade is the first of two children. His father died when he was only 4, and his mother died in childbirth 5 months later, leaving him in the care of a small close-knit community of subsistence farmers. From a young age, he always preferred to hunt for his food rather than living off the various barrens critters the community raised, and to this day he insists that the best-tasting rats are hunted (really, if you hit them just right with a mudball, it stuns them long enough to catch 'em without damaging the hide!). He was often lonely because of the reaction technological devices take to him (honestly, you wouldn't want to loan him your commlink so he can see the latest pirated trid download either!). As a result, he sometimes feels uncomfortable around large groups of people he doesn't know in social situations, and he doesn't tend to speak much to people at first. Pretty much the only person he really was close to during this time was his sister, Songwind, who he cared for deeply.

One of the few things he could participate in, however, was wrestling and playfighting. In fact, since that was just about the only thing he did on his leisure time, it wasn't long before nobody his age (and quite a few older kids) could challenge him 1-on-1, or even 2-on-1. When he was old enough to start training with weapons, he found that his natural talent extended to those as well, and most of the time when he wasn't helping out with physical labor, he was either training with weapons or hunting to keep everyone fed. When he could learn no more from the community, he started going to the war pit, both to learn and to compete, and what time he spent with the community was mostly to hunt and teach them some of what he had learned in the War Pit. If he didn't care so much about Songwind, he probably wouldn't have bothered ever coming back, really, but he felt he needed to stay around to protect her, especially as she got older and closer to the age where pimps start recruiting. He has also spent some time at the Winterberry academy with her (he wasn't really paying that much attention other than learning how to read, since he doesn't trust a computer to read for him), hoping to get her a shot at moving out of the barrens, and it was here that he found that he also enjoyed reading somewhat, and he currently has a small library (about 15 books) of some of his favorites. Things were going great, as far as he was concerned.

And then, there was war. Mostly, he didn't really care about it one way or another. Living in the Splintered Crash territory, he figured nobody would bother them. In fact, nobody did bother them right up until the night the 162's attacked and destroyed most of the Crash. That same night, on the way back from the slaughter, a handful of of ghouls attacked the community. Hearing his sister screaming, he ran to see what had happened, but by then it was too late: Songwind was dead, killed while out at night with one of her friends. Filled with rage, the young warrior hurled himself into the fight, hacking the ghouls to pieces while screaming unintelligibly, accompanied by the other warriors, and the ghouls were quickly defeated. Nobody knows why the ghouls attacked, or even if they had an intelligent ghoul with them, but Blade knows one thing now: if it's the last thing he does, the 162's are all going to die as horribly as he can possibly make it happen. Hearing that the remains of the Crash had joined up with Legion's new gang the October Ravens, he immediately set out to find others who would hunt with him.

And, here's one about his ancestor that should provide some insight (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (his *real* name is Sunshine Clearwater... i've decided his parents wanted to emphasize his Amerindian roots, and named him and his sister after stuff that happened when they were born =P )

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An entry in Blade's Journal. This particular entry has been glued into the book, and was not originally bound with the rest of the pages.

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I wrote this down for my sister, Songwind. She wanted to know the story, and I didn't want to miss anything so I wrote it down. I figure he was dictating to a computer, because I've never seen someone write out the words the same as they speak. -- Blade

A brief history lesson about Jesse Clearwater:

[This was taken from an old copy of a letter from Jesse's son Robert (our ancestor) to his children. I can't vouch for it's authenticity, or that it is an accurate record of what happened. The letter is in poor condition, and in some cases i've had to guess what the words were from memory, and so I am writing this down now while I can still remember from what mom told me when she was still alive. -- Blade]

Well, it all started in November of 2015. Dad just finished his degree in engineering, was just sittin' at home taking a rest. Now understand, dad had some amerindian blood in him, not much, but just enough ta show. But he was never really taught nothin' about their ways even, so he near jumped outta his skin when a dog-sized raven shows up in his room and starts speaking ta him in Navajo[1]. Now, Jesse doesn't speak any of that, and he said so, so the raven starts speakin' to his mind, y'know, like one of them wizard types? Turns out we got an ancient hero ancestor who made an oath or something like that, and dad wasn't livin' up to it. So this raven starts gettin' all mad, throwin' a fit, an' he just ain't listenin' to what dad's got to say about not even knowing about this ancestor, or any kind o' oath at all! Says dad dis-honored his ancestors what done so much for all them folks, an' he was supposed ta give up some of his soul or somethin' ta as part of an agreement this ancestor made[2] all that long time ago. Now dad was none too keen on givin' up his soul to some bird he never even heard of before, an' he got right upset himself! Told that bird a thing or two, he did! O' course, in hindsight, that didn't turn out so well. Seems this raven thing was some kinda powerful spirit, an' he put some kinda curse on him, and all his male[3] ancestors from that time forward, that their laziness would no longer be supported by all their fancy gadgets, they were gonna have to do everything for themself. From that time forward, pops couldn't even touch hardly anything electronic but it would go haywire in the most bizarre ways. An' that curse has carried on right through to us, an' it's probly gonna follow through all your children until some day it finally wears itself out, 'cause it seems to get weaker the further you get from dad.[4]

[And that's probably the only part that's really interesting enough to add to my Journal. The rest is just Robert making small talk, pretty much. -- Blade]


[1] I suspect this is conjecture. Certainly, Jesse didn't speak Navajo or any other amerind language according to the story, so there would be no way to know. If we had more details about the raven, maybe i could tell you more about what tribe he was from. In fact, I don't even know if the raven was amerindian, looking back... there's plenty of other cultures where ravens had significance, and not all of them were from this side of the ocean.

[2] If true, it might be possible to remove the curse by somehow managing to honor this agreement, and appease the raven, at least on our side of the family. Too bad we don't know more about it.

[3] This part seems to suggest that the raven was from a culture that was fairly male-dominated if it didn't even care about half of Jesse's descendants.

[4] This seems to be accurate, to some extent. I've had some pretty crazy stuff happen to me, but nothing as crazy as I hear happened to dad. Then again, maybe it just gets worse with age.[/quote]

so, i expect to have some more, but that should be it for now (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) on to other things!

I wanted to make him to be simsense/BTL producer with counterfeiting skills.

so why not just give him a (non-implanted) simrig and a simsense kit so he can actually make his own? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) mind you, that simrig would be your 1 avail 12 item, but totally doable, and it would make you not dependant on others (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[lkim]

so why not just give him a (non-implanted) simrig and a simsense kit so he can actually make his own? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) mind you, that simrig would be your 1 avail 12 item, but totally doable, and it would make you not dependant on others (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

Well, actually I was thinking of Bunraku parlor does make simsense/BTL using their puppet "servicing" clients, thus implants him simrig cyberware. And may be recording it w/ puppet's cyber eye (well, may be this can be acquired before becoming puppet), into their head/commlink (also possible, before or after being puppet, because he'll be using it to produce some counterfeits if before, or after if puppet parlor doesn't want the clients to see some commlink on him or around the room) to do some black mailing, if possible.

[Slipshade]

Jaid

well, i expect he'll have a kit, and if nothing else will be able to make various things via flint-knapping (iirc macahuitls, tomahawks, and spears all would be reasonable examples... now if only a volcan had erupted right nearby and left all kinds of handy rocks around... *whistles innocently*). that would be something that he likely could do whilst also hanging around on guard duty, during gang meetings, etc. i don't see why i would have to sacrifice RPing just because he's making something.

True, he could do those things. But those are only short periods of time that you will have to track. An hour here, half hour there and if you are working on a weapon while on guard duty you won't be paying attention to what you are supposed to be doing which would be guarding. Now that said, that is a RP choice that you would make with your character and I am fine with that, but there will likely be time that you will have to RP sitting in a corner working on stuff. It just tends to work out that way. If you find that part interesting that is awesome, but there is a sacrifice that will be made. You will not be allowed to just go out and do whatever with the gang and then say...oh and I worked on my tomahawk too. That will get vetoed quick from the GM. You may be able to split time, but WR1 was giving you a heads up. That is how he runs item creation. If it takes you a week of working 8 hours a day to complete a task and you say "I'm gonna sit here and work 8 hours a day on this project." Then that is how much IC time it takes. You can leave the project if something comes up but your time accumulated will stop and not start up again until to say. "OK I am going back to work on said project."

Does that help clarify anything. WR1 - Is that a decent summary of how you run things?

as far as gremlins, i'm curious why not? i have some guesses as to what your concerns may be, but i'd like to hear from you to be sure. in any case, i'll throw out some observations that may change how you look at gremlins:

1) it doesn't technically affect cyber. makes no sense, but if you really have a huge issue with me not being able to use, say, a commlink, then *technically* i could have an implanted one, and it would work fine. though to be honest, i didn't plan on having any cyber in this character, since it's not particularly appropriate thematically in my head (yet, at least, though i suppose you could persuade me). i am considering sensitive system also, to reflect the whole "doesn't get along with tech" theme, in addition to gremlins, but that would still leave room for 1.5 essence of cyber.

2) it also doesn't technically apply except "whenever the character is attempting to use a moderately sophisticated device (late 20th century technology or later)." strictly speaking, this means that i could *technically* have, say, a motorcycle, provided i rip out the pilot program and the wireless stuff. i could *technically* have a gun (but not a smartgun) or a radio (but not a commlink) and it would work just fine. again, not quite what i had originally planned, but if it's a huge issue, i can just tone back the theme a little. i mean, having a radio wouldn't totally kill the RPing, since i can always just claim the effect is weakening and used to be stronger (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) .

3) if it really massively hugely bothers you still, for reasons that will be in spoiler (primarily for making it shorter) i *could* replace it with a combination of spirit bane, sensitive system, and simsense vertigo.

that said, i was actually planning on suggesting some changes on how it works... basically limiting him from using electrical devices and matrix devices, in particular, rather than limiting him in terms of when it would have been available chronologically to just what kind of device it is. for example, strictly speaking, a monowhip (which i won't be using, this is just for illustrative purposes) would be affected by gremlins. so would any attempt to use most of the drugs in the game, since they are post-20th century technology.

in any case, even if you decide gremlins is too much and you request i replace it with other similar flaws, i can still always just not trust electronic devices because of past experiences within the family =P

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Lots of *technically's* in there. Maybe chalk this up to spirit of the law as opposed to letter of the law. I just thought is was something that was to much of a detriment to others too. Why would a gang want to keep someone that has the very real potential to screw up their stuff. I really like it as a character quirk more than a flaw. I guess right now it is best to say we don't like it and would like to see it changed. Above and beyond that, you have a character that has gremlins, but will never use stuff that affects you as your *technically's* point out. That doesn't work with DiTG either. Flaws are flaws and should come into play. We can argue points all day long, but none of us are comfortable letting that flaw in, particularly with your concept, so it isn't going to fly. Period. Lets move on so we can keep you moving towards acceptance in the game.

[Slipshade]

Ikim

We have discussed it. Male Bunraku puppet. That's it.

All

I know I am being a little short right now, but we don't just make snap decisions when we talk this over, so please take what we are telling you seriously. There will be no modified or tweaked rules of any kind unless they are on the wiki. If we come back and say no to something about your character is really means no.

[Whipstitch]

Soooo... has the gang alread decided on colors or has that yet to be handled ICly?

[HeySparky]

What skill governs construction equipment?

Pilot Exotic - Construction Equipment

or

Pilot Ground Craft (Construction Equipment)

[adamu]

Aha - what's this...?

Badmarsh reincarnating as a construction worker?!

Not that my opinion matters, but I like the latter - though I've seen both on these boards.

[HeySparky]

No pimps this go round. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

This time I'm ponying up an undocumented worker out of work. Permanently. Construction work. He'd have been a natural to join the Steel Demons Asphalt Kings, but he really REALLY doesn't like them. He has a big family, they're all over the place, scraping by, though few would recognize him if they saw him.

Still kicking around a name. I think I have his stats squared away. I think.

[Vegas]

Soooo... has the gang alread decided on colors or has that yet to be handled ICly?

Hasn't been decided yet IC or OOC as far as I can remember... something to work on in game I suppose