Sexual "oddities" in SR, Some things that ran through my mind while bored... Options

[Cardul]

OK, we all know about Bunraku, and the various "common" deviations from the modern world, but I was thinking that there are some new..options that have become available in SR4.

First, we have what Wireless+Simrig+hotsim module can do. Yes, of course, there is the BTLs, but..if you have a SimRig set for recording, and then transmit the data real time, that would open up a kind of new sort of cyber-fetish of people feeling their partners' sensations...

Second, I did not see anything in the penile implant cyberware saying that it required the person to already have that equipment(the same with the breast implants). Now, the breast implants, of course, combined with certain other things mentioned in Augmentation, is pretty much something we have today in post-op trans-genders, but..the penile implant adds the option for people to choose to be functional hermaphrodites, after a fashion.

Of course, we all know about the spells Orgasm and Orgy, and this kind of got me thinking...what else can people think of as enabled in SR4 that we generally would not see today, or is a furtherance of what we have today that we would not necessarily think about(Yes, I can imagine Cyber-sex in VR, but..what else?)

Come on, girls and guys, let's see how creative you can be..what do you think is possible in the SR4 world that is not possible now?

[jago668]

Well the simrig hotsim thing was done in Strange Days. So there is a visual reference for that.

[mfb]

on the flip side of Orgasm, you've got the Agony spell. there's also the option of using healing magic to survive (or just prolong) certain activities.

[Calabim]

Interracial porn, like troll on dwarf action. We already see grossly outrages sized sexual organs in porn. Expand on this. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rotate.gif) I could also see people having additional sex organs installed. A porn star with 2 vaginas for instance. One could have there gag reflex removed. Or have sex organs installed in places where they don't belong, like the hand or elbow. Man furies would love having sex with someone who is really an anamorphic person. These are just a few of the top of my sick little head.

[CircuitBoyBlue]

So, in the Sixth World, we'll finally meet the three-boobed chick from Total Recall. Shame I probably won't survive the Awakening, and all its ensuing chaos.

[Glyph]

I think of the "Girls Gone Wild" videos they have now, where they stalk college girls hoping to get footage of someone taking their top off or something.

Imagine how much worse it would be with full simsense - you sleep with someone you pick up in a bar, not knowing they are wired for full sim, and the next thing you know, you're a porn star.

[nathanross]

I was recently rereading Ghost in the Shell and it was great to re-encounter the scene where the Major is having hot lesbian sex with the help of AR applications. My personal guess is Cold/Hot sim AR augmented sex. Ive totally been into the possibilities of hot sim AR for a while, and my GM allows me to take my BTLs on the move. Its a whole new world.

As for everything else, think Japanese. I promise you they have already come up with a visual representation (if you know what I mean).

Practically speaking, aside from cyber-Futunari, where on earth do you fit a second vagina? I assume this is without the rest of the reproductive organs. Why not bioware the urethra? Or just give the whole body so many extra nerve endings that it is as sensitive as a clitoris? Also, to fit a troll inside a dwarf, you would need to greatly expand the flexibility of all the flesh around the vagina. It would be like giving birth all the time. That cannot feel good. Also, something would need to be done about the internal organs to allow the room for its complete length (I assume half way just wouldn't be enough for some customers).

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[Cardul]

Also, to fit a troll inside a dwarf, you would need to greatly expand the flexibility of all the flesh around the vagina. It would be like giving birth all the time. That cannot feel good. Also, something would need to be done about the internal organs to allow the room for its complete length (I assume half way just wouldn't be enough for some customers).

Remember the Male dwarf fixer mentioned in Arsenal who prefers payment in male troll sex? If yu think it is bad for women..could you imagine from THAT end of things?

[jago668]

Also, something would need to be done about the internal organs to allow the room for its complete length (I assume half way just wouldn't be enough for some customers).

I would assume the main problem you would run into would be the diaphragm. Since with the tech available in shadowrun 207x you could probably get the rest of the stuff moved around etc. Just seems that punching a hole into the muscle that allows you to breathe would be a problem. So you could probably double to triple the available depth depending on the individual. Provided the person is willing to have parts scooped out.

[nathanross]

Remember the Male dwarf fixer mentioned in Arsenal who prefers payment in male troll sex? If yu think it is bad for women..could you imagine from THAT end of things?

I thought the Dwarf was on the "male" end of the relationship. That he found please being above and controlling of something so much larger than he is. An inferiority complex.

[Neondante]

This thread is full of horrible mental pictures. Good job!

We're looking at the extreme fringes here, but what about joe and jill wageslave? They are getting it on too. I think an excellant one would be a simple AR overlay of your partner's body. Have a crush on celebrity X? Want to have sex with the goddamn Batman? But you don't want to visit one of those ethically questionable and highly illegal bunraku parlors? Well then, settle for the next best thing. She won't feel or act like Giggly The Balloon Smuggler, but she'll look just like her... maybe even sound like her, if you've got the earplugs. It would be an easy and legal way to spice up your love life, and maybe help things when your partner's beauty is starting to fade. Plus, I think making something like this common would add to the whole cyberpunk dehumanizing feel of Shadowrun.

As for the more extreme end of things, I know exactly what I'd want. In game I mean. Cough.

Tentacles. Prehensile, flexible, phallic, and ejaculating tentacles. The future is full of Japanese influence anyway, so why shouldn't I... I mean my characters... be able to violate barely legal schoolgirls hentai style?

Hell, come to think of it, there must be tentacle toxic spirits. Maybe a tainted octopus spirit?

[Particle_Beam]

Why does it need to be toxic? Sex with spirits is soooo passé. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[Cardul]

Why does it need to be toxic? Sex with spirits is soooo passé. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

Besides..I think that someone with the right possession tradition might be able to do the same thing (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[knasser]

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This is Dumpshock - not the Wizards of the Coast forums. People are generally expected to take responsibility for reading a thread on "Sexual Oddities" for themselves. I think the only rules are more to do with actual respect - e.g. don't have a go at someone for their beliefs, don't link to something that's going to get them in deep shit if they're reading from work, etc.

Now that said, I can see all of the above oddities being available in SR2070., either through reality or SIM. Unless something happens to bring about a new puritanism in the West (and the US is far more puritan than most of Europe) I don't see anything other than a progression toward an "Everything is Permitted" culture, and it's consistent with the Shadowrun material.

So where does the dystopianism come in? Well I guess that an increasingly self-centred society, an increasingly prevalent attitude of "I have a right to everything I want" leads to much less actual sacrifice for a partner. IN SR2070, probably the only taboo left is to actually fall in love and make do with each other's imperfections.

*Man checks partner's commlink*
"Wait, you're making me look like Eric Bana? I thought you were just playing music!"
"Don't be so whiney!"

[Neondante]

Oh aye. I remember seeing an alarmist news report some years ago about teenage promiscuity. According to the report, shacking up with one night stands was the norm, and those who actually committed were mocked as "Velcro Twins." I thought it was pretty ridiculous, but things could very well be moving in that direction, especially decades down the line.

I think there's plenty of room for dystopia here. Nothing is taboo in the bedroom (Or you know, wherever), but the ones who actually want an old fashioned one partner relationship may be looked down on.

Edit: Your post about imperfections also reminds me of a scene from Bioshock. (Don't have it? Buy it. Now.) The first level takes place in the medical pavilion of the underwater city of Rapture. Tape recorders around the area include a famous plastic surgeon musing about ADAM, a substance that can allow people such as the protagonist to do amazing things such as shoot lightning and increase intelligence by altering DNA. He started thinking that since the discovery of ADAM, there is no excuse for ugliness. We do not let the insane mingle with the sane, the diseased mingle with the healthy, so why do we let the ugly mingle with the fair? He starts to think that the unlimited opportunities unlocked by ADAM means that beauty should be mandatory. (Actually defining beauty in his mind would mean spoilers. Go buy the game. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) )

So perhaps in 2070, ugliness is seen as something of a sin, when there's so much cheap, easy, safe, and socially acceptable cosmetic surgery for sale at the local mall. Someone who keeps the body they were born with, imperfections and all, may be looked down at by the in crowd and high society as lazy and unfashionable... the same way someone today might look down at someone because they are wearing cheap or dirty clothes. Someone with small breasts or a small penis could be looked down upon too. I'm sure that "natural male enhancement" would have become a reality in the future. Just think of the demand. (You're sitting on a gold mine, Alex!)

Also reminds me of a page in Transmetropolitan. A guy has just gotten a new penis, and the fact that they were made in a sweatshop by underage workers doesn't bother him in the least. It's just like his old penis, but has a minidisc player. There's also another scene where a father is bragging to anyone who will listen about the designer warts he put in his son's genetic code... apparently, the girls love em.

So yeah, your genitalia as part of your PAN... I'd say that counts as a sexual oddity. Climax at the click of a button, perhaps.

[Neondante]

Why does it need to be toxic? Sex with spirits is soooo passé. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

You haven't seen much hentai, have you? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) Tentacle porn doesn't tend to be exactly consensual. I'm guessing that with the tentacle spirits, it would be more or less a human sacrifice. Only instead of killing, well... I'm going to leave it at that.

And before anyone asks, no, I am not an expert on the subject, just a normal geek cursed with entirely too much curiosity. Viva internet.

[jago668]

Or a mage with a rating 1 sustaining focus (or quickening) walking around with a force 1 orgasm spell on themselves. My mind also giggles at the thought of quickening a force 14 or so orgasm spell on someone else. Then there is the auto-injector cyberware out of Augmentation that you can fill up with whatever viagra type substance you want.

[Ganny.Harper]

I'm sure with the vampires and ghouls wandering about that necropheliacs are pretty happy too, the only thing they have to worry about is not catching HMHVV.

How about the people with a lot of cyberware in them, your new batery opperated boyfriend.

[Fortune]

... your new batery opperated boyfriend.

Those are the new humanoid drones from Arsenal. Finally I can get my very own Cherry 2000! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Particle_Beam]

I'm sure with the vampires and ghouls wandering about that necropheliacs are pretty happy too, the only thing they have to worry about is not catching HMHVV.

Vampires aren't undead, they're just people who were diagnosed as HMHVV-positiv. They're stil normal people who can easily function in normal society *sticks-fingers-in-the-ears-chanting-lalalalalalala-can't-hear-you-lalalalalalalalala-even-louder* (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dead.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Neondante]

Vampires aren't undead, they're just people who were diagnosed as HMHVV-positiv. They're stil normal people who can easily function in normal society *sticks-fingers-in-the-ears-chanting-lalalalalalala-can't-hear-you-lalalalalalalalala-even-louder* (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dead.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

You know they are going to be huge in the goth set, though... How many of the ones who are REALLY into it are going to turn down sex with an actual vampire?

And I doubt that the necrophiliacs are really all that concerned with technicalities.

Last dance with Mary Jane, one last chance to kill the pain...

Think they have spells that will bring people from the dead, even for just a few moments? Call their spirit back, or at least access their memories and make their body act accordingly?

(And yes, I know that song is about weed, but have you ever seen the music video? 0.o)

[Sir_Psycho]

I'm sure with the vampires and ghouls wandering about that necropheliacs are pretty happy too, the only thing they have to worry about is not catching HMHVV.

This happened in a run I devised. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Those are the new humanoid drones from Arsenal. Finally I can get my very own Cherry 2000! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

All you need is for some-one to load Unarmed Combat 4 + Gymnastics 4 and command it to attack and you've got your very own Ghost in the Shell: Innocence Gynoid. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I'll start off with a tame one. We have public sex today, with a variation of publicness practiced by partners, where the naughty thrill comes from the chance of being caught. Now imagine extraterritorial sex. Oh yeah.

I'm willing to bet that at least a whole lot of young magicians who learn a bit of conjuring will have a private "i wonder what that water spirit would feel like" (or something similar), and try it out. And with the rules for spirits going loose, you can bet that every now and then a teenage boy or two would be found drowned to death in their room with their dicks in their hands.

You think a supplementary sexual organ is depraved? Think of the gengineers who dabble in a bit of "erotic art" for the original gene-work pieces. Something that is all orifices for you and your buddies to come over and enjoy comes to mind.

Also, one no-one has mentioned. The RAS Override. Restrainers, blindfolds and classic cuffs are pretty standard sexual practices these days. Now imagine if your girlfriend's RAS over-ride is at your mental command. They're not just restrained, they can not move a muscle. They can't scream. They can't do a thing. They can still feel though. Now imagine the abuses. Imagine the cover-ups after sexcapades go wrong, and there's no safe-word anymore.

We've always had violent and even snuff Simsense recordings and BTL's for the depraved in Shadowrun. But let's imagine you're a rich, depraved corporate cat who just needs that extra kinky thrill. You've got an amoral thug from the Resources Adjustment department, but you wouldn't dream of having sex with him. That would be gay. But Maurice has a data-lock, and you've got the best commlink money can buy and that new hacking suite is within grasp of your channels. And you've always enjoyed picking on the little guy.

So you and Maurice (with his data filter switched on) head out and find a suitably pretty young thing (female of course, because again, you're not gay) and find her alone. You easily slice past her firewall, and transmit the output from her sim module into your own, so you can feel the shiver down her spine as she walks through the dark alley, you feel the light wind on the goosebumps of her exposed skin, you feel her scream catch in her throat as Maurice grabs her. And you can guess what happens from there. Mr corp wierdo gets his rocks off feeling the sensation of being brutally raped and then murdered by his hulking stooge. Maurice followed the instructions very carefully. He wore gloves and a condom. He empties a tin of gasoline over her and burns any evidence after Mr Corp has comprehensively wiped her commlink. The clothes are disposed of afterwards, the commlinks used wiped and dismantled, alibis are set up, and Maurice's data filter ensures that no-one never knows, except for mr corp, who shudders smiles in his limo home.

[hermit]

I was recently rereading Ghost in the Shell and it was great to re-encounter the scene where the Major is having hot lesbian sex with the help of AR applications.

Nope, sorry, full VR. Definitly. After all, when Bateau gets that call through (by forcing himself not to get lost by punching out one of his cybereyes) she sits up, disoriented, in a room with the other two girls (clothed) wired to some sort of console beside her. So, yeah, definitly full VR.

Unless something happens to bring about a new puritanism in the West (and the US is far more puritan than most of Europe) I don't see anything other than a progression toward an "Everything is Permitted" culture, and it's consistent with the Shadowrun material.

1) No offense to Americans, but HELL YEAH IT IS.
2) That's what the Sprawl Survival Guide said in it's sex chapter. Excluded are forced sex, sex with those unable to consent (minors, mentally impaired, coma patients), and other-sentient-species-sex is the currrent hot button issue, if I remember correctly.

So perhaps in 2070, ugliness is seen as something of a sin, when there's so much cheap, easy, safe, and socially acceptable cosmetic surgery for sale at the local mall.

I'd rather go with Neuromancer there. More precisely, with Ratz, the chatsubo barkeep, whose uglyness in a world of readily available beauty is his trademark. It makes you different, stick out, interesting. Sure, in some circles, it might be a sin, but in others, especially subcultures that fashion themselves mandatory, it might be a sin to be pretty.

Also reminds me of a page in Transmetropolitan. A guy has just gotten a new penis, and the fact that they were made in a sweatshop by underage workers doesn't bother him in the least. It's just like his old penis, but has a minidisc player.

One of the first things I thought of when reading through arsenal, too.

Or a mage with a rating 1 sustaining focus (or quickening) walking around with a force 1 orgasm spell on themselves.

He'd die of high blood pressure fairly soon. It'd burst his heart. An orgasm is rather stressful to the body (hence all these old men dying of sex after taking viagra, while their bodies aren't fit enough to handle the stress anymore). Plus, I bet it would be HIGHLY disorienting.

I'm sure with the vampires and ghouls wandering about that necropheliacs are pretty happy too, the only thing they have to worry about is not catching HMHVV.

You know they are going to be huge in the goth set, though... How many of the ones who are REALLY into it are going to turn down sex with an actual vampire?

Too bad you guys don't have access to the second Germany Sourcebook, really. In the Leipzig chapter (which seemingly is the centerpoint of european Goth culture), this is covered extensively. Also sexual magic rituals performed by european witches.

Also, one no-one has mentioned. The RAS Override. Restrainers, blindfolds and classic cuffs are pretty standard sexual practices these days. Now imagine if your girlfriend's RAS over-ride is at your mental command. They're not just restrained, they can not move a muscle. They can't scream. They can't do a thing. They can still feel though. Now imagine the abuses. Imagine the cover-ups after sexcapades go wrong, and there's no safe-word anymore.

Yeap, this form of sex slavery has been around in the SR world for some time (I believe it was introduced with the Underworld book).

You think a supplementary sexual organ is depraved? Think of the gengineers who dabble in a bit of "erotic art" for the original gene-work pieces. Something that is all orifices for you and your buddies to come over and enjoy comes to mind.

Nice idea, but only a very, very niche product, with the high availability of complex biosculpting and it's equally high illegality. Quite likely something Tamanous does on the sidelines.

And Rape beetles are very old, too. Sure, now you get it live. But that's hardly a new idea either.

[Neondante]

Sir_Psycho, you are aptly named. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[KCKitsune]

I'm thinking about the Furry Scene (anthropomorphic kind) and the other kinky cliques. Is it bestiality if your "Partner" is sentient (shapechanger)?

What about the Mr. Corp (from Sir_Psycho's post above) who likes the idea of some pretty young girl getting raped by a Hell Hound? With a sim rig in the Hell Hound Mr Corp can be in for the ride and feel what it's like to "Let the Beast run Free!" He can also feel what it's like to EAT the poor girl without tainting himself... at least physically... spiritually, the fragger's soul is toast.

Here's another kink that can be satisfied "safely" in the world of SR and Hot Sim: Incest. Have some wage mage use a Control spell and make brother/sister, mother/son, father/daughter, mother/daughter, and/or father/son have sex. Make it so that they are attracted to one another and let "nature" take it's course. With a Sim rig you can have all the thrill of Taboo without the "moral baggage" of screwing your own family.