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post Dec 11 2003, 05:55 AM
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Well, I think it's fair to say that anyone who has had personal experience with violence will appreciate the implications and not engage in wanton, random violence.

Some games are further removed from reality than others -- and their players accordingly.

It's the fruit loops that want to describe in grotesque detail of torturing a secretary that turn my stomach -- they're the same closet-cases who want to role-play sexual encounters to fulfill some bizarre emotional outlet.

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Edit: I knew I was gonna have to give up RPGs when I was arguing for the rights of a manticore versus the party's intent to slaughter a creature that was simply acting to defend it's home and young :grinbig:
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post Dec 11 2003, 06:24 AM
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I am getting nervous because her voice is carrying some emotional baggage with it, now.  "Ever since you bought me that chewing gum, on a lark, I've been in love with you."

Sure, my response might have seemed a little cryptic, "If there is no justice, then how can the ends justify the means?  Take that wax, for example, (I've started to ramble on now just like on the subway, and she is looking at me with that same look of hostility, bordering on the old familiar meaningless uncommunicative scream) when the candle was lit, did it know that in the end it was going to burn down to nothing and disappear into the air?  You lit the candle to get the light from it.  Your end was to have my asparagus and carrot cabin lit by this light.  You used the candle as a means to obtain this.  Does the light justify the destruction of the candle?  What is justification to a piece of wax?  Its the same as the justification that you've given me about this 'durability' and our relationship."


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Edit: Not me this time. Credit for that goes to Bungie Software and Marathon Infinity.
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post Dec 11 2003, 06:31 AM
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Siege, to be fair, there isn't anything inherently wrong with detailed descriptions of torture or sex being roleplayed. Certainly no more than said descriptions appearing in literature. The problem is that most players who go in for that sort of thing don't do it to really roleplay or further a depth of the story or their characters. They do it because they like it, and that is sick.

Also, D.Generate, I'd like you to meet Mr Period. He lets us know when it's ok to breathe.
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post Dec 11 2003, 06:35 AM
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QUOTE (Arethusa @ Dec 11 2003, 06:31 AM)
Also, D.Generate, I'd like you to meet Mr Period.  He lets us know when it's ok to breathe.

Damn, Arethusa, for a moment there, I though you were referring to a really MACHO form of PMS, which is what I attributed to DG's rant .... :D


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post Dec 11 2003, 07:07 AM
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I can honestly say that none of my characters have just killed to kill. There is one in the works that is, basically, Knives, from Trigun. Sadistic, twisted, cruel, and very, very evil.

Other than him (Who I may never play because I'm sure anybody who plays with me will want me dead), there have been none who just wantonly killed.

One instance my GM spoke about when I first started: He was GMing with a group from home. They managed to capture a guy, then started torturing him for some information. They went into every detail and every minute thing they could ever do, and my GM became physically ill. I think something like that is a big difference from having to geek the "bad guy."

Killing "just because" is something that most people I know who RP frown upon.
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post Dec 11 2003, 10:22 PM
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D.Generate: Nice rant, but you know next to nothing about most of our personal experiences.

He obviously doesn't know anything about starting new paragraphs either.

I'm sorry I didn't realize this was an english class.

True I don't know about most of your personal experiences but i have been around enough different gamers and had enough different groups to know that at least 60% of all gamers all full of schit. I've known ninjas professional killers guys who invented everything from rail guns to operating systems, guys who know people that made car alarms with lazers that would kill you if you tried stealing them, explosive experts so on and so on. And i'm not claiming i'm better than anyone hell the first few times i saw real life death i was a bit sick to the stomach but now i'm desensitized to seeing pretty much anything. I'm sorry if i offended anyone but its my experience that the people who get offended are the ones who are looking at the truth and are the exact people i'm talking about.
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post Dec 11 2003, 10:26 PM
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True I don't know about most of your personal experiences but i have been around enough different gamers and had enough different groups to know that at least 60% of all gamers all full of schit. I've known ninjas professional killers guys who invented everything from rail guns to operating systems, guys who know people that made car alarms with lazers that would kill you if you tried stealing them, explosive experts so on and so on. And i'm not claiming i'm better than anyone hell the first few times i saw real life death i was a bit sick to the stomach but now i'm desensitized to seeing pretty much anything. I'm sorry if i offended anyone but its my experience that the people who get offended are the ones who are looking at the truth and are the exact people i'm talking about.

I'm not even going to go into that... It's just so full of contradictions and poorly-written statements (especially lies) that it only needs this comment.

Congratulations for making a bunch of stuff up, though.
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post Dec 11 2003, 10:32 PM
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QUOTE (Arethusa)
Siege, to be fair, there isn't anything inherently wrong with detailed descriptions of torture or sex being roleplayed. Certainly no more than said descriptions appearing in literature. The problem is that most players who go in for that sort of thing don't do it to really roleplay or further a depth of the story or their characters. They do it because they like it, and that is sick.

Also, D.Generate, I'd like you to meet Mr Period. He lets us know when it's ok to breathe.

I'll agree with that -- I include details as necessary and appropriate, but I don't go for literary license in describing the effect for the sheer joy of it.

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post Dec 11 2003, 11:20 PM
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QUOTE (Arethusa @ Dec 11 2003, 06:31 AM)
Also, D.Generate, I'd like you to meet Mr Period.  He lets us know when it's ok to breathe.


I think there was a Penny-Arcade comic on this very subject . . . ;)
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post Dec 11 2003, 11:49 PM
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I'm not even going to go into that... It's just so full of contradictions and poorly-written statements (especially lies) that it only needs this comment.

Congratulations for making a bunch of stuff up, though.

Umm hey Genius! Thats you Tanka since I apparently have to point out lots of obvious things. All those people I desribed were what other gamers have told me they were not actually people I know. Its called sarcasm I figured someone as briliant as you would be able to figure that out.

So to clear up any misconceptions:

I don't know any real ninjas just a few dumbasses who thought they were.

I don't know anyone who has killed a real human again only more dumbasses who thought they could or have

I don't know any explosives experts, guess what? Yup again only dumbasses who think they know everything about blowing shit up.

So on and so forth.

Excuse me for not putting periods in things, again if I knew that you all had the soul of my bitch of an english teacher in High School I'd try harder. But for the most part none of you mental pigmies are worth the effort it would take to write and proof-read everthing I type fast.

So in conclusion I would like to state again that picking out petty things in my posts to try and discredit me only proves my earlier statement of how those people who are most offended are the people I'm talking about. I.E. self titled Martial Arts experts, so called computer hackers, ect. ect. I have made nothing up and I don't really see any reason to defend myself to most of you, but there is at least one or two people on here that aren't complete morons. Thats is all thank you come again.
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post Dec 11 2003, 11:51 PM
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QUOTE (D.Generate)

But for the most part none of you mental pigmies are worth the effort it would take to write and proof-read everthing I type fast.

For what it's worth, it's "pygmies".

-Siege
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post Dec 11 2003, 11:54 PM
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post Dec 11 2003, 11:56 PM
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Always.

And, you know, D... Sarcasm is a hard thing to detect via text.
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post Dec 12 2003, 12:29 AM
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post Dec 12 2003, 02:11 AM
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Couldn't detect sarcasm?? Come on Tanka how many people do you know that talk to ninjas, super soilders, and proffesional arsonists? Anywho sorry about getting all pissy its just been a very bad week. Really I'm much cheerier in person...errr sometimes. No hard feeling each and everyone of you are good peeps if only for one thing and thats keeping this game alive. I'm sure most of the Shadowrun team at Wizkids apprieciates us too. Without hte mass comercialization that d20 has it takes communities like us to keep dying games alive. Anyways enough ranting and raving again I appoligize. That is all over and out.
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post Dec 12 2003, 02:12 AM
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Excuse me for not putting periods in things, again if I knew that you all had the soul of my bitch of an english teacher in High School I'd try harder. But for the most part none of you mental pigmies are worth the effort it would take to write and proof-read everthing I type fast.

The crux of the matter is not that anyone here is a mental pygmy, but that we respect everyone else enough to write our messages clearly and readably. It's a matter not of them being able to understand it anyways, but that I respect you and everyone else enough that I make an effort not to subject anyone to prose that isn't written well.

Any of my friends can tell you that I can spew out a drekstorm of typos when I am not careful. It's an unending battle to notice, find, and fix them before my friends see them -- sure, they're smart enough that they probably know what I mean, but why should they have to figure it out?

Not taking the time to craft well-written prose shows a general disregard for others, and is often indicative of someone who either doesn't know the right way to do things, or is inconsiderate enough of their readers that they just don't care. Sadly, most of those that Don't Care are also in the uneducated camp, because most educated people recognize that it's Just Better to write well. Why? Call it enlightened self-interest. I don't want to read a pile of drek, so why would I want to write it?

=)

Apologies to any who think this was a pile of drek. :spin:
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post Dec 12 2003, 02:18 AM
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I'm sorry I didn't realize this was an english class.


Yes, it is. I carry grammar with me everywhere, being majoring in it and all.
Now that you know that yes, this is an englsh class, can we expect you to obey the rules of grammar?

That would make me cheer.
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post Dec 12 2003, 03:33 AM
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QUOTE (D.Generate @ Dec 11 2003, 11:49 PM)

But for the most part none of you mental pigmies are worth the effort it would take to write and proof-read everthing I type fast. 

For what it's worth, it's "pygmies".

-Siege

Dang, that almost made me shit my pants! :rotfl:
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post Dec 12 2003, 03:42 AM
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Ahh, c'mon, guys, the man's apologised and we're not that thin-skinned (I'd hope - :)) so let's all chill - we've all had hard days before (or weeks / months / years / decades / centuries / millenia - delete as appropriate ... c'mon, you blood-sucking vamps - show yourselves! Bwuahahahaha!).

And, DG, dun wurree about atroshuss speling or grampa or taipos - wee awl mayk dem, too. Wy, fyve yiers ago, I cudent even spel lor-yer and nao I em wun. :D
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post Dec 12 2003, 03:51 AM
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This has definitely got to be one of the funniest threads I've seen in a while. Don't worry, D, I think the fact there were as many jibes thrown as there were and no one getting defensive shows that there are no hard feelings. However, now that I know Dim Sum is a LAWYER... Proof that roleplaying turns people evil. ; P
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post Dec 12 2003, 03:56 AM
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Heh, Nezumi, don't tell my mother. :D

Truth be told, though, five years ago, I decided not to further my career as a lawyer and became a broker thereby joining the ranks of humanity!

Bwuahahahaha! *runs away from SykoBear who presently is a lawyer!*
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post Dec 12 2003, 04:00 AM
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*pulls out his stake*

No, I'm not responding to Dim Sum's post about vampires.
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post Dec 12 2003, 04:13 AM
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*pulls out his stake*

No, I'm not responding to Dim Sum's post about vampires.

Playing with your stake, Tanka? :grinbig:

Careful, those splinters can be a bitch.

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post Dec 12 2003, 04:18 AM
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QUOTE (tanka @ Dec 12 2003, 04:00 AM)
*pulls out his stake*

No, I'm not responding to Dim Sum's post about vampires.

Playing with your stake, Tanka? :grinbig:

Careful, those splinters can be a bitch.

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Bastard. :S
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post Dec 12 2003, 05:37 PM
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Well, this thread got even more off-topic than usual. Madd props to all.
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