 Question regarding Cyber limbs, ... and build-in devices |
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 Dec 10 2003, 09:57 PM
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the powering of the gyros is a problem. i don't know where, but i saw someone mentioning the fact that it had no essence cost and as such, could not be reflectively activated. but this problem can be worked around with a DNI or a router (i don't remeber excactely which one, but i'll find out when the time comes).
i must agree on this too. but i usuall don't aim for more than one or two opponents at a time. it's already a bit too hard with the +2 TN... but if the gyro could be activated via a DNI, the problem about aiming the damn thing is solved. but getting back to the engine, i would think that the gyros were electricly powered. and a battery can be build small enough to fit inside the lower arm, and the motor wouldn't be much bigger either. and the battery can be recharged by body heat when necessarry. based on what Zazen wrote, i belive the gyro will work even if it's only installed in a partial cyberarm. after all, the arm can support the ECU, which to me is saying that there's enough room inside the arm. |
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Dec 10 2003, 10:03 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
It could probably connect to the cyberlimb's DNI.
~J |
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Dec 10 2003, 10:06 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
But then couldn't any other piece of gear in a Cyberlimb? |
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Dec 10 2003, 10:08 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Shh! ;)
Are any of the other pieces of cybergear that take essence in a cyberlimb simple on/off switches? ~J |
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Dec 10 2003, 10:22 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,685 Joined: 17-August 02 Member No.: 3,123 |
Yes :P
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Dec 10 2003, 10:29 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Which ones? :P *doesn't have copy of M&M right now*
~J |
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Dec 11 2003, 06:24 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 8 Joined: 11-January 03 From: The Deepest Darkest Hell Member No.: 3,891 |
@Grey.
The picture was in Cybertechnology, Second Edition. |
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Dec 11 2003, 12:14 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,665 Joined: 26-April 03 From: Sweden Member No.: 4,516 |
And in 2nd edition it had an essence cost of 1.5 and a cost of 260,000¥. The text suggests that you bought an entirely new arm, even though the picture indicates modification only to the wrist.
[edit]There was supposed to be a 'picture' of sorts here, but this forum apparently doesn't allow for multiple spaces very well. For those without Cybertechnology, the picture shows two counterweights which can fold into the arm when the gyromount isn't used, a gyro in the center behind the wrist, and hints at an engine right behind the gyro.[/edit] Now, for my 2 cents worth on the topic at hand. It could very well be that there are necessary modifications to the elbow, and possibly shoulder - maybe to prevent certain movements which during firing could screw up the efficiency of the gyro. Lastly, if your gm decides that the 'common' cyberarm gyromount can't fit in a cyber forearm, maybe he will let you hunt down some less common, or experimental, system to provide recoil compensation. Maybe a system using pneumatic pistons in the wrist for recoil suppression. Or maybe he will let you have modifications to the elbow/shoulder with similar costs as for strength enhancements level 4 and above for cyberlimbs. |
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Dec 11 2003, 03:59 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
It's either that or someone was just cutting-and-pasting text from one book to the other without really thinking about what it was saying or other changes they had made. They seemed to have done that in a few other pleaces, such as with the Enchephalon's prices vs. the grossly toned down abilities thereof; 1.5 Essence and 115,000 nuyen just for a Task Pool of 2. That's pretty insane. :)
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Dec 11 2003, 07:02 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Why, what did the encephalon do in previous editions?
~J |
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Dec 11 2003, 07:09 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
For the Essence and Price, an Enchephalon 2 is equivalence to what the Enchephalon 4 was in Shadowtech. If memory serves, an Enchephalon 4 granted, +2 Intelligence +3 Task Pool, and the ability to use Skillsofts to a limited degree. Or in other words, the equivelnce of an Enchephalon 2, Cerebral Booster 2, and a Knowsoft Link in 3rd Edition rules. For the exact same price and about the same Essence (I think it was 1.75 vs. 1.5 now).
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Dec 11 2003, 07:10 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,049 Joined: 24-March 03 Member No.: 4,323 |
There were 4 levels of encephalon, and 1/2 the level of the encephalon (rounded up) was added directly to intelligence. It also provided (level - 1) task pool dice. Any level of encephalon replaced the need for a knowsoft link. Cost ranged from 15,000/.5 E (+1 int, no TP) to 115,000/1.75 E (+2 int, +3 TP).
Edit: Don't forget that the current incarnation of the Encephalon also adds a virtual increase to intelligence for the purpose of learning intelligence-based skills, but not for perception tests. |
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Dec 11 2003, 07:11 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Meep?
A lot of the work in SR3 seems to be reactionary; things that were too friggin' good in previous editions have been made nigh-useless but kept ungodly expensive. ~J |
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Dec 11 2003, 07:17 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
Some of the tweaks in SR3 were good, some weren't.
The encephalon 4 was a walking computer, tack on the cerebral booster and you had, for all practical purposes, a brainpod wired to a deck. I never saw any real complications with the gadget as written in 2nd, although there was some debate as to whether or not it augmented magic in the same fashion as the cerebral booster. :grinbig: -Siege |
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Dec 11 2003, 07:24 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,049 Joined: 24-March 03 Member No.: 4,323 |
I understand where they were coming from with the changes (I don't think the encephalon should add to perception tests or contribute to magical ability), but simply adding a sentence to the old description to clarify those two things would have been a reasonable way to handle it.
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Dec 11 2003, 07:30 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
I'm pretty sure the old Enchephalon had a sentence that said it didn't augment magic at all.
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Dec 11 2003, 07:31 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
Not calling you wrong, but I thought the same thing --> but apparently some copy somewhere didn't and there was a thread debating the topic. For the record, I agree -- it shouldn't. -Siege |
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Dec 11 2003, 07:42 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,049 Joined: 24-March 03 Member No.: 4,323 |
Whoops... my copy does have such a sentence. At the very bottom of the description: "The encephalon does not boost magical ability." For some reason I just totally missed that... oh well
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Dec 12 2003, 02:10 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,685 Joined: 17-August 02 Member No.: 3,123 |
The Cyber Holster springs immediately to mind. I don't really feel like pouring over my books either, but I'm sure there's plenty more. |
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