Heals possibilities? Options

[MadPiper]

Would heal be able to close wounds, cuts, bruises, etc etc on a dead body? I mean, its dead, but could it heal it to a healthy dead body? Lol, just wondering if I could use this on my victims to make it harder to figure out how they died. Just curious.

[coolgrafix]

I don't see why it would. What you seem to need is a new spell that "mends." And using the spell creation rules you can probably accomplish this.

[Stahlseele]

probably easier done than usual heal too . . only object resistance i'd say . . but where to place a body on the table? O.o
natural unrefined? with magical types probably, but with street-sams? o.O

[MarCazm]

Heal = Manabased spell, which don't work on objects.
Dead bodies = object.

You may create a spell which will have that effect, but only that effect and nothing more.

Or try not to kill people. Shocker or Gel is more appropriate.

Else you want to push your notoriety to the same notoriety level like a serial killer.

[Fortune]

I wouldn't let Heal work, as the body is not alive, but Fix might work a charm if you can cast it at a high enough force.

[hyzmarca]

The spells you are looking for are Shape Flesh and Shape Bone. I prefer to use them to turn the corpses of my targets into dadaist sculptures and sell them to private collectors, but they should also work for mending wounds.

[MarCazm]

Maybe we should change Shadowrun to Psychorun. No disrespect. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[hyzmarca]

Maybe we should change Shadowrun to Psychorun. No disrespect. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

You really have to think long and hard about how a given corpse will be most profitable, chopped up and sold piecemeal to black market hospitals and ghoul feed dealers, secretly zombiefied using an Inhabitation Ally and put back as if it were still alive to work as a double agent, or turned into art and sold on the black market. The latter can be most profitable is an artist is able to make a name for himself.

Fix probably won't work because a corpse's barrier rating is only marginally related to the living person's health.

[Fortune]

Fix probably won't work because a corpse's barrier rating is only marginally related to the living person's health.

Why would the Barrier Rating apply at all?

The OR would be almost nothing, being that the body itself is typically close to 'natural' in and of itself. It's the weight restrictions that would hamper Fix.

[MarCazm]

So we're really ended up in Psychorun. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Cain]

Why would the Barrier Rating apply at all?

The OR would be almost nothing, being that the body itself is typically close to 'natural' in and of itself. It's the weight restrictions that would hamper Fix.

Wouldn't that depend on how much cyber the body has? Or more precicely, how much Essence it had left?

[masterofm]

fix or repair sound like a good option.

[Fortune]

Wouldn't that depend on how much cyber the body has? Or more precicely, how much Essence it had left?

Definitely, which is why I said 'typically'. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[hyzmarca]

Fix repairs structure rating. A fatal wound might not cause any damage to a body's structure. Heal does nothing it a target does not have any boxes of damage and fix does nothing if an object has no damage. But structure damage and wounds do not necessary equate to each other.

Another way of looking at it is that Fix can mend a broken statue but it can't turn that statue back into a chunk of granite. Once an object has been transformed into another fix uses its new base structure rather than its old one to make repairs. Otherwise it would be impossible to Fix any manufactured object since the spell would instead revert its components back to its their original forms. If you shoot a person in the head you transform him into an object called a corpse with a hole in its head. That hole is a feature, not a defect. The object never existed without that hole.

[Tarantula]

I'd have to weigh in that either fix or shape flesh would be most appropriate.

[Fortune]

Fix repairs structure rating. A fatal wound might not cause any damage to a body's structure. Heal does nothing it a target does not have any boxes of damage and fix does nothing if an object has no damage. But structure damage and wounds do not necessary equate to each other.

Since the premise of the original post was to mend a body to hide the evidence of cause of death (' close wounds, cuts, bruises, etc etc'), I don't think this applies.

Another way of looking at it is that Fix can mend a broken statue but it can't turn that statue back into a chunk of granite. Once an object has been transformed into another fix uses its new base structure rather than its old one to make repairs. Otherwise it would be impossible to Fix any manufactured object since the spell would instead revert its components back to its their original forms. If you shoot a person in the head you transform him into an object called a corpse with a hole in its head. That hole is a feature, not a defect. The object never existed without that hole.

That's a stretch. In my opinion, the corpse still has an idealized state, which is what would it would return to with the application of the spell. It's hard enough to get both the Force high enough and enough successes (the weight restriction is Force x successes in kg) that this isn't going to be a common thing to do.

[hyzmarca]

The problem there is that it quickly turns any corpse into an infinite heart machine. Cut out the corpse's heart, cast fix, and cut out its heart again. Repeat to your heart's content, selling the extras to organleggers for a tidy profit.

Of course, that is both difficult and silly. A easier scheme is to use a ring of infinite diamonds. Get a diamond ring, pop out the diamond, cast fix on the fix, and pop out the diamond again. Repeat until the diamond market has collapsed.


For the this reason, so that Fix can't be used as a cheap Create [Part] spell, I'd have to rule that any act of creation or modification (except for attacks that cause damage) results in a new object for the purpose of the Fix spell.
And I'd have to rule that killing a person creates an entirely new object for the purpose of the fix spell and that this new object's idealized state is its initial state at the time of death. This Fix could reverse decomposition but it couldn't heal a fatal wound and couldn't create a new person from the man-leather bindings of an ancient tome that was never meant of the eyes of mortals.

[Cain]

Somebody check me on this, but I think you need a living heart to transplant. Once the body is dead, you can make as many dead hearts as you like, but they wouldn't be suitable for transplant. You may end up with an infinite food supply, but that's not much of a problem.

[Tarantula]

The problem there is that it quickly turns any corpse into an infinite heart machine. Cut out the corpse's heart, cast fix, and cut out its heart again. Repeat to your heart's content, selling the extras to organleggers for a tidy profit.

Of course, that is both difficult and silly. A easier scheme is to use a ring of infinite diamonds. Get a diamond ring, pop out the diamond, cast fix on the fix, and pop out the diamond again. Repeat until the diamond market has collapsed.


For the this reason, so that Fix can't be used as a cheap Create [Part] spell, I'd have to rule that any act of creation or modification (except for attacks that cause damage) results in a new object for the purpose of the Fix spell.
And I'd have to rule that killing a person creates an entirely new object for the purpose of the fix spell and that this new object's idealized state is its initial state at the time of death. This Fix could reverse decomposition but it couldn't heal a fatal wound and couldn't create a new person from the man-leather bindings of an ancient tome that was never meant of the eyes of mortals.

I'd argue that "fixing" it would cause the arteries/veins that were connected to the heart would repair themselves, looking as if the heart had teleported out of its place. They wouldn't be torn/cut/etc looking, it'd be as if the heart had just vanished.

As far as the diamond ring, you pop the diamond out, fix would repair the setting to the state it was in before you pryed the diamond out and bent the pins and whatnot. The pins would bend back, the finish would be restored, but it wouldn't spawn a diamond. Again, it would be as if the diamond had teleported out of the ring.

[Fortune]

The problem there is that it quickly turns any corpse into an infinite heart machine. Cut out the corpse's heart, cast fix, and cut out its heart again. Repeat to your heart's content, selling the extras to organleggers for a tidy profit.

Nope. Fix specifically requires that all the 'parts' be present. No heart or diamond machine for you. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[MadPiper]

Very interesting responses, so fix or shape flesh would be most appropriate. Sounds good. Although were is this shape flesh spell you speak of? I never heard of it, or missed it, what book is it in?

Or try not to kill people. Shocker or Gel is more appropriate.

I try not too, but sometimes you have too. This question was not to help become a successful serial killer or anything like that. Just a way to try to make it as hard as possible to investigate my butt when it does happen. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[CanRay]

Lots of acid spells. No body, no problem. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[Kingmaker]

Feed the corpse to pigs.

[HentaiZonga]

Lots of acid spells. No body, no problem. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

I've got a better one.

Step one: Have the Sam cut the body open.

Step two: Have the Sam wrap himself up in the corpse (this will get a little messy, but only for a minute). Bonus points if you cut off the head and wear it as a hat.

Step three: Have the Sam invoke the Sacred Words of Enabling: "Hey, Look! He's a Jacket! Cast Fashion on me, quick!"

Step four: Sam and Mage skip out into the neon glow of the street-lights, whistling hand-in-hand, with the Sam enjoying his new leather trenchcoat.

[paws2sky]

Lots of acid spells. No body, no problem. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

See also: a syndicate run pig farm