 Flechette effects with Grenade |
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 May 4 2008, 08:35 PM
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Shooting Target  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,755 Joined: 5-September 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 9,313  |
Everyone useing the flechette round errata with (f) grenades?
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May 4 2008, 09:31 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,537 Joined: 27-August 06 From: Albuquerque NM Member No.: 9,234 |
QUOTE (Prime Mover @ May 4 2008, 02:35 PM)  Everyone useing the flechette round errata with (f) grenades? Why wouldn't we? |
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May 4 2008, 09:49 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
what damage did they do before errata and what will they be doing after?
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May 4 2008, 11:39 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ May 5 2008, 07:49 AM) what damage did they do before errata and what will they be doing after? Same as Flechette Ammunition. |
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May 5 2008, 12:56 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,755 Joined: 5-September 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 9,313 |
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ May 4 2008, 04:49 PM) what damage did they do before errata and what will they be doing after? Be no change to the damage just the AP from +2 to +5 vs impact. Just wondering if treating grenades as regular ammunition as far as the errata. Never seen mention of grenades in any of topic discussions on the subject is all. |
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May 5 2008, 07:57 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,336 Joined: 24-February 08 From: Albuquerque, New Mexico Member No.: 15,706 |
In the fifth printing, fragmentation grenades do have +5.
They still haven't updated the damn errata to account for 5th printing changes though... |
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May 5 2008, 08:01 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 718 Joined: 10-September 05 From: Montevideo, in the elusive shadows of Latin America Member No.: 7,727 |
I do. frag grenades do 12p damage ap+5 (impact) as flechette rounds.
Cheers Max |
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May 5 2008, 08:54 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 143 Joined: 23-March 08 Member No.: 15,807 |
+5? When did flechette ammo go to +5?
I know, I know, the 5th printing, rhetorical question. But I have not heard a breath on this up to now. Where can one find a comprehensive list of these rule eratta? |
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May 5 2008, 09:30 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 175 Joined: 5-May 08 From: Matt, GA Member No.: 15,959 |
http://www.shadowrun4.com/resources/sr4/sr4_errata_v13.pdf
Street Magic also has an errata as well on www.shadowrun4.com The errata does not mention Grenades specifically, though, but for consistency (and balance, since my players LOVE grenades!) I have also been using +5 AP for ANY item marked (f) on the Damage Code. Arsenal did not address this either: all the missiles, rockets, and grenades listed as (f) in the compiled table have AP +2. Even if they never address this, I will be using AP +5 as a House Rule if nothing else. |
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May 5 2008, 09:45 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
QUOTE (Screamin Demon @ May 6 2008, 06:54 AM) +5? When did flechette ammo go to +5? I know, I know, the 5th printing, rhetorical question. Actually, Flechette and Ex-Ex ammunition were Errata'ed quite early on in SR4's history. QUOTE Where can one find a comprehensive list of these rule eratta? It isn't quite up-to-date, but you can find the latest official Errata here. |
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May 5 2008, 10:42 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 206 Joined: 19-January 08 Member No.: 15,368 |
QUOTE (Dreadlord @ May 5 2008, 05:30 PM) http://www.shadowrun4.com/resources/sr4/sr4_errata_v15.pdf is the newer one I think. http://www.shadowrun4.com/resources/sr4/sm_errata_v12.pdf is the street magic Edit: Bah, didn't see that Fortune already gave a link that has both of these in it. Oh well. |
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May 6 2008, 02:41 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,653 Joined: 22-January 08 Member No.: 15,430 |
Real life question: are normal fragmentation grenades that the military usually use flechette grenades? I mean, the whole fragmentation thing does launch some very small projectiles. But AFIAK they are not really impeded by armor that much... or are they?
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May 6 2008, 02:47 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,159 Joined: 12-April 07 From: Ork Underground Member No.: 11,440 |
Read and enjoy (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)
Grenade Wiki Technically grenades produce shrapnel. WMS |
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May 6 2008, 02:49 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 346 Joined: 17-January 08 Member No.: 15,341 |
so do spells that have the metal elemental effect have the +5AP, too?
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May 6 2008, 04:25 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,537 Joined: 27-August 06 From: Albuquerque NM Member No.: 9,234 |
QUOTE (WearzManySkins @ May 5 2008, 08:47 PM) Read and enjoy (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif) Grenade Wiki Technically grenades produce shrapnel. Technically they produce fragmentation. Only Shrapnel Shells produce shrapnel. And since they haven't been used since about 1915.... However grenade fragments are much easier to stop then bullets and would also be much easier to stop than the common (intuitively obvious) conception of how flechettes work. Sharp, pointy and fairly long objects are actually pretty darn effective at going through flexible body armor. But my understanding is that flechettes don't actually work in real guns (I'm talking shotgun shells or artillery shells here) the way that is intuitively obvious that they should, if you see how they are packed into a round you'll start to see why. I can't find a good web image, but they are packed in with half the flechettes pointy end aiming forward and half pointing to the rear, to maximize round fill. So many of them will be trying to flip over in flight. Now for small arms shooting individual flechettes, that is a bit different. A brief history of the biggest sinkhole for money and skilled labor in US small arms history: The Special Purpose Individual Weapon |
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