 New Novels Polls and Thoughts |
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 May 23 2008, 05:03 AM
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Uncle Fisty  Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928  |
I was thinking about the new novels that we're starting to hear something about, and wondering if we've got something already in progress, or if they're beginning to put things together. This got me thinking about who we might see coming back, and who we might see in the new blood for authors. So I put together a list of the previous shadowrun authors just to see who people wanted to see more of based off of past writings. Share your thoughts, expecially on what sort of things you'd like to see. I do hear that these are supposed to be new books circa 2070. That's got me excited. Personally, I'm hoping we don't have to deal with any more novels geared toward younger readers, but that might be just me.
Here's a couple of quick link for previous novels incase you've all forgotten who wrote what. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Shadowrun_books http://www.i-m-t.demon.co.uk/books/shadbook.htm A couple of authors didn't fit on there, so I went with my personal bias (so sue me). If you have others you want to add, feel free to post them. [ Spoiler ]
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May 23 2008, 06:21 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 511 Joined: 19-August 02 Member No.: 3,139 |
"Ya said Tom Dowd Twice"
"I Like Tom Dowd" Burning Bright was always my favorite, so I voted Dowd. After that, I like Mel Odom's Jack Skater stories. |
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May 23 2008, 06:32 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
QUOTE (Eldritch @ May 23 2008, 02:21 AM)  "Ya said Tom Dowd Twice" "I Like Tom Dowd" Burning Bright was always my favorite, so I voted Dowd. After that, I like Mel Odom's Jack Skater stories. Yeah apparently I did list Tom Dowd twice. Edited and replaced Tom Dowd #2 appropriately with Mel Odom. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) |
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May 23 2008, 07:05 AM
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Shadow Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 3,737 Joined: 2-June 06 From: Secret Tunnels under the UK (South West) Member No.: 8,636 |
You missed off all of us authors from the tisoz fiction competition. There's a load of talent there and if you went with an anthology of short fiction, zero risk in trying to engage some new talent (I'd probably be up for it as I'm sure others would be).
Regarding the actual poll though, I null voted as I'm not familiar with everyone's work so didn't think it would be fair to pick a known one over an unknown. I will say that I don't really like Stephen Kenson's work (at least the little I've read). I notice Robert N. Charrette is not there. Is he still going? Never Deal With a Dragon was the first Shadowrun fiction I read and I liked it. |
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May 23 2008, 07:38 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
All the novels I'd seen credited to him (Secrets of Power Trilogy, Never Trust an Elf, Just Compensation) were all quite some time back. I left him off simply because I thought it unlikely at this point. But hey, that's why I said to add any you feel should be noted. Same goes for anyone specific that hasn't been published yet.
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May 23 2008, 07:53 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Go Nyx Go! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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May 23 2008, 07:54 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
I put that one on there just for you. Stupid elf. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)
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May 23 2008, 07:57 AM
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Shadow Cartographer Group: Members Posts: 3,737 Joined: 2-June 06 From: Secret Tunnels under the UK (South West) Member No.: 8,636 |
QUOTE (fistandantilus4.0 @ May 23 2008, 08:38 AM) But hey, that's why I said to add any you feel should be noted. Same goes for anyone specific that hasn't been published yet. Us! (spin off thread). -Khadim. |
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May 23 2008, 08:28 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,009 Joined: 25-September 06 From: Paris, France Member No.: 9,466 |
Nigel Findley (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)
Seriously I haven't read all the books, but so far the only ones I enjoyed as Shadowrun books were Findley's. The others were either badly written or had little to do with my Shadowrun. I don't want to be harsh on past Shadowrun books authors, but I'd rather have books than fanfictions, if you get what I mean. |
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May 23 2008, 08:47 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
Why not Nicholas Pollotta?
/ducks. -Frank |
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May 23 2008, 09:23 AM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
QUOTE (FrankTrollman @ May 23 2008, 04:47 PM) Why not Nicholas Pollotta? /ducks. -Frank You know exactly why, Frank. Else you won't be ducking. |
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May 23 2008, 09:43 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
For a more serious answer, modern Shadowrun books would want to be based on the 4th edition rules. So it would make sense to get prominent flavor text writers from the current edition and have them write books or fractions of books. Dowd was a game writer first, as was Kenson. It would make sense to take someone like Demonseed Elite who has written popular flavor sections in published game books and get a story out of him. That plan has been reasonably successful in past editions.
-Frank |
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May 23 2008, 09:49 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,009 Joined: 25-September 06 From: Paris, France Member No.: 9,466 |
Yes but the selected flavor writers should also be good fiction writers as well. I'd like my books to be enjoyable as books, not only as fluff. As of now, I prefer reading good cyberpunks books rather than most of the Shadowrun books and I'd rather introduce someone to Shadowrun with a good cyberpunk book rather than with a shadowrun book, except for a few good ones.
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May 23 2008, 09:56 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
QUOTE (Blade @ May 23 2008, 04:49 AM) Yes but the selected flavor writers should also be good fiction writers as well. I'd like my books to be enjoyable as books, not only as fluff. As of now, I prefer reading good cyberpunks books rather than most of the Shadowrun books and I'd rather introduce someone to Shadowrun with a good cyberpunk book rather than with a shadowrun book, except for a few good ones. I'd agree with that. The SR4 flavor segments are often essentially short fiction. It can be hard to judge how someone will handle a 100k word book on the basis of a 500 word flash fiction sample, but if someone can write a good flash fiction sample and has a good grasp of Shadowrun storyline and mechanics, you're on much more solid ground soliciting a novel than any other cross section of humanity you'd consider recruiting from. Whipping out a Shadowrun rulebook and finding pieces of flash fiction that you find especially nice is probably at least as good a method as any to select a next book author as any other. -Frank |
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May 23 2008, 10:07 AM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
Dowd, Smith, Odom and Stackpole . . because the novels were better back then i think *g*
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May 23 2008, 11:03 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
Nigel Findley was a major influence on how I based my own writing. Nigel Findley, RIP.
But I voted, those are my choice. |
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Jun 27 2008, 02:16 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 94 Joined: 27-May 08 Member No.: 16,009 |
With a new SR novel announced I thought I'd resurrect this thread and voice my hopes and dreams of it not being written by either Kenson or Smedman. Someone like Mel Odom or a completely new writer would be my top preference.
Of course, who am I kidding? I'll probably read the novel no matter who writes it. |
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Jun 27 2008, 02:18 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
I have some experience writing Shadowrun. *Looks Hopeful For No Reason* (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)
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Jun 27 2008, 02:25 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 94 Joined: 27-May 08 Member No.: 16,009 |
QUOTE (CanRay @ Jun 27 2008, 09:18 AM) I have some experience writing Shadowrun. *Looks Hopeful For No Reason* (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) I'd pick you over Kenson and Smedman any day of the week. At least I would be able to pick up it up without that gut wrenching feeling that I was about to waste 5 hours of my life. |
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Jun 27 2008, 02:56 PM
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Awakened Asset Group: Members Posts: 4,464 Joined: 9-April 05 From: AGS, North German League Member No.: 7,309 |
QUOTE (Fortune @ May 23 2008, 09:53 AM) Go Nyx Go! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Echo the sentiment. |
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Jun 27 2008, 03:29 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,328 Joined: 28-November 05 From: Zuerich Member No.: 8,014 |
I am more concerned with the question if the novels will be stories about Shadowrunners, and not spotlights for some freak Uber-NPC.
No more "special cases", no more IEs, no more drakes, no more "exception to the game world" stuff please. And no "Let's copy the Forgotten Realms line and put a World-shaking event in every other book!" please. Pretty please. Just Shadowrunner stories. |
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Jun 27 2008, 03:47 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 94 Joined: 27-May 08 Member No.: 16,009 |
QUOTE (Fuchs @ Jun 27 2008, 10:29 AM) I am more concerned with the question if the novels will be stories about Shadowrunners, and not spotlights for some freak Uber-NPC. No more "special cases", no more IEs, no more drakes, no more "exception to the game world" stuff please. And no "Let's copy the Forgotten Realms line and put a World-shaking event in every other book!" please. Pretty please. Just Shadowrunner stories. So say we all. |
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Jun 27 2008, 04:16 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 458 Joined: 28-March 05 From: NA/UCAS/IN/ Member No.: 7,246 |
I've really enjoyed quite a few of Michael Stackpole's novels before, so I voted for him. But honestly, just give me some good novels, and I'll be a happy little consumer. Just happy to hear there are new SR, CBT, and MW:DA novels on the way. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Jun 27 2008, 05:59 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 46 Joined: 6-October 05 From: Toronto Member No.: 7,819 |
I loved the original Shadowrun anthology back in the day and would love a new 2070 era anthology book covering all the major archetypes.
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Jun 28 2008, 06:08 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 458 Joined: 28-March 05 From: NA/UCAS/IN/ Member No.: 7,246 |
One more minor request: when the novels are written, can they be regular adult length novels? The Young Teen reader set (i.e. the latest SR novels) are just way too short (and simplified IMO). I usually read novels during lunch at work, and those SR books didn't last me a week. Wasn't worth my $7 American to get them. But it was SR, so I did, and I enjoyed them as Shadowrun books, but I would have liked them better as standard pocket book size novels (about 350 pages or so in my definition)
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