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post Jul 4 2008, 03:06 PM
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The other day I caught part of a movie on TV-A Bridge Too Far i think and as british soldiers marched into a city having gotten through the wood, Anthony Hopkins looks at one of his officers with twigs stuck in his helmet and says "I've just realized we're waering the wrong camoflague. I don't think this will fool anyone."

How often do you dress for a run in a camo, urban or enviromentally correct? Like woodland in the SS area, desert in PCC? I know it's been available since Fields of Fire but how often do you use it? We're city creatures mainly so going outside our comfort range is going to catch our attnetion. a run to Flagstaff? OK I'll dress for it, but what about in the city? Usually you waer a leather coat and in a city for armor, armored camo and armored fatiiges woul give a better armor rating that an armored jacket but does anyone dress like that?
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post Jul 4 2008, 03:31 PM
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Well, some of my characters do. My Troll basically only wears camo. Usually urban camo and a coat.
I don't think he stands out because of that, it isn't that unpractical in the rougher areas and there is so much security, military and DesertWar fans running around dressing in that style all the time.
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post Jul 4 2008, 03:44 PM
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Most players in my group go for the chameleon suit, set to static mode for downtown use.

I prefer the camo suits, so my chars will usually own urban and woodland camo. I have managed to wear normal woodland camo in the winter, so that "Dude, look!" moment came up, with me as the guilty party. My chars usually own quite a selection of armored clothing, so going civilian is easy.
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post Jul 4 2008, 03:47 PM
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With "preprogrammed colour schemes" adding a few hundred nuyen to clothes, I generally think it's okay for armour to be modded the same way with several (maybe even *lots* of) preprogrammed camo schemes for various/all occasions. Plus some "fashion" schema too. Means you can switch from the woodland-at-night type to the urban once you've penetrated the buildings.
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post Jul 4 2008, 05:00 PM
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Depends on the character. Some characters I've had have had very distinctive styles of dress and others have been more stealthy.
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post Jul 4 2008, 05:06 PM
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urban camo? isnt that basically to dress like joe wageslave? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Jul 4 2008, 05:14 PM
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IRL?
i wear it from time to time, mostly night-camo though . .
in character?
every character has at least urban and woods as full camo suit . .
ok, the cat-shaman was miffed when he actually HAD to wear it *g*
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post Jul 18 2008, 01:11 AM
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They haven't started making Tres-Chic Camo, yet.
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post Jul 18 2008, 01:17 AM
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What about the various fashion colors? Pink woodland for the vixon on the run, or blue tigerstripe for the wageslave heading to the club. Not really practical but it is still out there.
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post Jul 18 2008, 01:22 AM
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I heard of one "Special Forces" unit had a "Dress Uniform" that was Purple Battle Dress Uniforms. Can't remember who.

Lots of folks buy Army Surplus, so it's not that out there for outfits on the street, even Downtown, but don't try going to a party in it.
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post Jul 18 2008, 03:29 AM
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never really did the camo thing. now a tutu on the other hand...
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post Jul 18 2008, 04:26 AM
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Never except for one character's crazy chameleon-fiber ninja suit. Of course, he's the one who got killed that mission so I have taken that as indicative.
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post Jul 18 2008, 07:09 AM
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Depending on the run and violence spectrum. During legwork no way, but in case we're out on the proll our team is basically forming an urban special tactics team with a scout adept and 2x backup heavies in the urban/woodlands camo full suit + tactical vests etc., the works basically. Helmets work great in this setup as well since impact armor is usually highly overlooked by most sr teams (but then again we're suckers for the knock-out rules).

Again it depends on the pink mohawk versus 'black' playing style of your party. We're basically in the pitch black corner of hte argument.
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post Jul 18 2008, 08:48 AM
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Every day.

My characters? Rarely.

The point of "camouflage" is to blend in, but most of the runs I've ever played on involved a fast transition from heavily populated areas to deserted, seedy areas and back. Which meant a generic black jumpsuit (damn what the Army says - it may not occur naturally, but the sun does go away every 12 hours) and generic civvies.

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post Jul 18 2008, 10:00 AM
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In SR3 my characters had full body urban camo or a camouflaged form fit suit whenever they went on an infiltration. They'd keep a coat over that if they had to pass through a public area, but I emphasized stealth, so most of my characters geared up for infiltration and then snuck to the target or got dropped off.

In SR4 however I've found my characters try to blend in to public a lot better, so I have some form fit under a nice jacket, and camouflage I almost exclusively use ruthenium coated armour, because it's just so cheap with the edition change.
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post Jul 18 2008, 10:38 AM
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The other problem - thermo.

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post Jul 18 2008, 11:00 AM
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Thermal Dampening on your chameleon suit? Cheap enough. I usually get Thermal Dampening and/or nonconductivity on my form-fit as a matter of necessity.
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post Jul 18 2008, 12:32 PM
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At charachter generation max rating 4..., works wonders yes... iamgine the poor troll with his +4 target numbers to about everything he's aiming at you.
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post Jul 18 2008, 01:19 PM
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I prefer all black. It's slimming.
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post Jul 18 2008, 06:33 PM
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QUOTE (Siege @ Jul 18 2008, 12:48 AM) *
Every day.

My characters? Rarely.

The point of "camouflage" is to blend in, but most of the runs I've ever played on involved a fast transition from heavily populated areas to deserted, seedy areas and back. Which meant a generic black jumpsuit (damn what the Army says - it may not occur naturally, but the sun does go away every 12 hours) and generic civvies.

-Siege


The issue now, from the US Army's standpoint anyway, is that all black stands out like a neon light in 3rd-gen night vision devices as well as not occurring naturally. With these devices being available to basically anyone with $300 to spend, all-black combat gear for spec ops and the like has gone the way of the do-do just to keep from getting ganked while trying to look like a ninjer.

I fail to see why this wouldn't continue to be an issue with SR image enhancement technology being even more prevalent.

Besides, have you seen non-closeup video of the new camo patterns being used? You can see it fine up close but you get any real distance away and it's like they blend into just about any terrain they might be in, even with full-tilt NVGs.
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post Jul 18 2008, 06:55 PM
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I wear it to bed every night. No it is not combat dress. Camo comes in pink nowadays.



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post Jul 18 2008, 07:00 PM
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QUOTE (VagabondStar @ Jul 17 2008, 08:11 PM) *
They haven't started making Tres-Chic Camo, yet.



Guess again

http://www.amazon.com/Commando-Camouflage-...y/dp/B000NT4888
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post Jul 18 2008, 07:41 PM
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Giving new meaning to "Going Commando". (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)
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post Jul 18 2008, 07:44 PM
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Her crotch would be completely invisible in woodland terrain! What a useful skill.

QUOTE (psychophipps @ Jul 18 2008, 02:33 PM) *
Besides, have you seen non-closeup video of the new camo patterns being used? You can see it fine up close but you get any real distance away and it's like they blend into just about any terrain they might be in, even with full-tilt NVGs.


Modern camoflage isn't so much a matter of looking like your surroundings ("I put twigs on my head to look like a tree!") as creating a digitized, visual white-noise that makes the viewer's eye slide past you. At least that's what the US Army's newer Army Combat Uniform fatigues are supposed to do. I don't know what the stats are on its success rate.
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post Jul 18 2008, 07:51 PM
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QUOTE (Snow_Fox @ Jul 4 2008, 05:06 PM) *
The other day I caught part of a movie on TV-A Bridge Too Far i think and as british soldiers marched into a city having gotten through the wood, Anthony Hopkins looks at one of his officers with twigs stuck in his helmet and says "I've just realized we're waering the wrong camoflague. I don't think this will fool anyone."

How often do you dress for a run in a camo, urban or enviromentally correct? Like woodland in the SS area, desert in PCC? I know it's been available since Fields of Fire but how often do you use it? We're city creatures mainly so going outside our comfort range is going to catch our attnetion. a run to Flagstaff? OK I'll dress for it, but what about in the city? Usually you waer a leather coat and in a city for armor, armored camo and armored fatiiges woul give a better armor rating that an armored jacket but does anyone dress like that?

My Characters usually have at least one suit of photovoltaic cameleon paint-coated suit, to wear on tuns ... that can switch camo as nescessary. Pretty useful.
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