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Dashifen
post Jul 17 2008, 09:35 PM
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Another idea I had during my second read-through of Unwired: we have the Nuke program now, which is a normal matrix attack but instead of assigning damage to a condition monitor, it can reduce Response and/or System (or Pilot for constructs). The Disarm program can be used to mess with someone's Firewall. But, I didn't see a way to reduce someone's signal. The downside that I can see is that if you're in their node and mess with their signal, you might get dumped (which would be bad) but if they're intruding into your node and you reduce their signal to zero, it could be a form of targetted jamming.

Could probably just call the program ECM and have it roll Electronic Warfare + ECM vs. Firewall + ECCM, net hits by the offensive party reduces the signal of the defensive one.

Thoughts? Seems like it'd be of limited use, but I could conceive of some situations where it would be cool. And, since it targets a specific person's system, you could effectively jam them without needing to jam everyone in an area or needing a directional jammer ... not that directional jammers are that hard to come by I suppose.
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post Jul 17 2008, 10:48 PM
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I'd say theres no need. Having a program that jams a specific person would be pointless... Oh, I hack into your commlink, I attack your signal, it drops from 2 to 1 and now I am dumpshocked because I'm out of your signal range.
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post Jul 17 2008, 10:50 PM
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Just take Tin Snips to his antenna. There, Signal goes waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down!
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post Jul 17 2008, 11:50 PM
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One thing mentioned is devices. I have this question if non-neural commlinks are more common why bother with the commlink when you can just simply shut off her cluster of devices. AR gloves, goggles, microphone all dead, hard to hack afterwards.

To stay on the thread why can't a hacker just trip the node that the commlink routes through is using a stolen MSP authentication and simply deny service? Every single other node is going to bounce that signal around denying service to that network ID until it can be verified which could be hours away.

The best way though is knowing how to shutdown a commlink remotely (we do that now with stolen mobile phones).

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post Jul 18 2008, 05:54 AM
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If you net enough Nuke hits on their System I assume you get to jack out before the thing comes crashing down. Is Nuke permanent program damage? Because if you corrupt and dump their system, I'd like to see them re-boot that.
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post Jul 18 2008, 01:33 PM
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They need to reboot to "undo" Nuke damage, yeah.

QUOTE ("Tarantula")
cI'd say theres no need. Having a program that jams a specific person would be pointless... Oh, I hack into your commlink, I attack your signal, it drops from 2 to 1 and now I am dumpshocked because I'm out of your signal range.


Well, yes, I indicated that in my first post. I think, however, it could be an interesting tactic to disconnect people who have hacked your node. Then you don't get dumped but they might.
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post Jul 18 2008, 02:02 PM
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QUOTE (Dashifen @ Jul 18 2008, 02:33 PM) *
They need to reboot to "undo" Nuke damage, yeah.



Well, yes, I indicated that in my first post. I think, however, it could be an interesting tactic to disconnect people who have hacked your node. Then you don't get dumped but they might.


Except that there are already rules for disconnecting people from your node (BBB 223) and I will point out once again that Jamming on the Fly (Unwired 105) is extremely effective (particularily since EW cannot default).
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post Jul 18 2008, 02:16 PM
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But, Jamming on the Fly covers an area. If you need more of surgical strike then it may not be appropriate.
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post Jul 18 2008, 02:19 PM
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There are Smart Jammers.
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post Jul 18 2008, 02:26 PM
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Do you mean directional jammers or is there something in Arse that I'm forgetting about?
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post Jul 18 2008, 03:09 PM
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Arsenal, p. 58 - Jammers that target specific Nodes.
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post Jul 18 2008, 07:00 PM
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Awesome. That'll do in a pinch. I still think there's a place for software to do this, too, but as long as there's something there in the rules to play with, I'm happy. Thanks!
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post Jul 19 2008, 01:03 AM
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QUOTE (Dashifen @ Jul 18 2008, 03:00 PM) *
Awesome. That'll do in a pinch. I still think there's a place for software to do this, too, but as long as there's something there in the rules to play with, I'm happy. Thanks!

well, conveniently weight has been abstracted away. just declare that the hardware is software via GM fiat. problem solved.
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post Jul 19 2008, 03:07 PM
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That's pretty much what I'll do, actually. I'll just have to come up with a snappy name.
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post Jul 19 2008, 03:52 PM
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QUOTE (Chrysalis @ Jul 18 2008, 01:50 AM) *
The best way though is knowing how to shutdown a commlink remotely (we do that now with stolen mobile phones).


more like blacklist their id number then shut down...
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post Jul 19 2008, 03:56 PM
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QUOTE (Dashifen @ Jul 19 2008, 04:07 PM) *
That's pretty much what I'll do, actually. I'll just have to come up with a snappy name.


Raspberry Jam

and have the icon be a jar of raspberry jam repeatedly impacting and breaking on their radar dish?

(Spaceballs...watch out!)
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post Jul 19 2008, 08:15 PM
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Awesome.
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post Aug 1 2008, 05:07 PM
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I hate to come in late on this one, but it doesn't really matter what your device's Signal rating is if the operating system doesn't think it can go that far.
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post Aug 1 2008, 07:02 PM
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True; which provides a different way of looking at it: this software wouldn't actually reduce the target's signal, it would just make the OS think the signal is lower than it is and force the dropping of connections,
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post Aug 1 2008, 07:06 PM
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something like what some real life isps have started to do to kill p2p traffic then.

or maybe a router table poisoning...
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