Current status of Tir Taingire, And its current relationship with other West Coast entities Options

[Saragon]

After perusing the Sixth World Wiki and searching these forums pretty hard, I can safely say that I have no idea what Tir Taingire looks like in 2070. I know the Council of Princes was supposed to be overthrown, but I don't have a clear idea of by whom and what its ramifications are.

What happened to the members of the Council of Princes? Who's in charge? What's Tir T. doing militarily and politically? I'm especially interested in its relationship with the California Free State (that's where our game will be set.) What's its relationship to Tir a Nog now? And what corporations and other interested parties have moved in to take advantage of the turmoil?

If you can provide book references, that'd be especially good, since it would suggest which SR4 books I need to pick up -- I only have the core rulebook right now. Thanks!

[Wesley Street]

Check the L.A. section of Corporate Enclaves. The current High Prince is an ork though his name escapes me.

[Prime Mover]

The Ork is'nt his name Larry Zincan? Horizons Charisma Associates branch PR'd him to the moon and back after the Coo.

[Prime Mover]

Begging the more important question what happened to all the princes there paladins,hangers on and what not. Theres mention an orgainization to return elven rule "Black Sun". (A nod to star wars novels?)

Laying low is the idea given out, but were and what is really going on? I just can't imagine after centuries of plotting planning to form the Tir they'd give up so easily or be defeated with the power they have at there disposal. (I'm personally of the opinion there behind alot of North American countries troubles early in the century to destabilize and create a smooth creation of the Tir.)

[Saragon]

Begging the more important question what happened to all the princes there paladins,hangers on and what not. Theres mention an orgainization to return elven rule "Black Sun". (A nod to star wars novels?)

Laying low is the idea given out, but were and what is really going on? I just can't imagine after centuries of plotting planning to form the Tir they'd give up so easily or be defeated with the power they have at there disposal. (I'm personally of the opinion there behind alot of North American countries troubles early in the century to destabilize and create a smooth creation of the Tir.)

As much as I love playing around with the ED/SR connections and the whole "ancient elves" concept, in this case I'm looking for present-day information. I'm still not clear on what Tir Taingire's relationship with its political neighbors, Hestaby, Tir a Nog, and various corporations is right now.

[VagabondStar]

Sounds like things are ripe for insurgency.

[Not of this Worl...]

Check the L.A. section of Corporate Enclaves. The current High Prince is an ork though his name escapes me.

Wha??? you're kidding me right?

I hope I don't need another new reason to really hate 4th edition. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

[hermit]

Well, they fucked up Tir Taingire beyond all reason. Sorry, but it can't be sai in a nicer way. This setting now officially rivals the original Berlin setting in the German Germany SB. That part started out with "We cannot gve any reason why this works, but it does". That's how TT in 4th can be summed up.

[paws2sky]

Has anyone else considered that the ork in charge of the TT might be a puppet of the old regime? Every time I see someone mention it, that's what leaps to mind for me anyway.

-paws

[hermit]

No. He is Horizon's puppet, who media blitzed him to power. "Media Blitz" must be one hell of a powerful Shape Reality spell.

[paws2sky]

Still feels like there's something else to it. You know, behind the scenes. That's just me , I guess.

[Wesley Street]

*Closing eyes, holding fingers to brow and furrowing* I'm predicting... Portland/Tir Tairngirie to be covered in Cities of Intrigue... or perhaps a campaign plot book for 2009 or 2010 centered around the Tir princes... or perhaps some other project. Whew, fortune telling is hard. Always in motion, the future is.

I really doubt a location of major importance like TT will be left blowing in the wind for all eternity.

[Wesley Street]

Well, they fucked up Tir Taingire beyond all reason. Sorry, but it can't be sai in a nicer way. This setting now officially rivals the original Berlin setting in the German Germany SB. That part started out with "We cannot gve any reason why this works, but it does". That's how TT in 4th can be summed up.

You pulled all that from a couple of sentences in Corporate Enclaves? Wow, impressive. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sarcastic.gif)

[Saragon]

Still feels like there's something else to it. You know, behind the scenes. That's just me , I guess.

Well, yes, of course. But that's what campaigns are for, I suppose. Also that way I don't have to make a guess - I can let my DM come up with that story. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

(For the record, I'm not fond of the idea either - I liked the idea of an overt autocracy in amidst the other plutocracy's of North America. But that's just me.)

But no comments on Tir Taingire's international / corporate political relations? I'm trying to come up with some character concepts and contacts, so I was hoping for at least a few notes to work on.

[Wesley Street]

There honestly hasn't been enough information published to make any reliable guesses at the moment. It's still all up in the air. Sorry dude! All we've got is conjecture.

[Not of this Worl...]

*Closing eyes, holding fingers to brow and furrowing* I'm predicting... Portland/Tir Tairngirie to be covered in Cities of Intrigue... or perhaps a campaign plot book for 2009 or 2010 centered around the Tir princes... or perhaps some other project. Whew, fortune telling is hard. Always in motion, the future is.

I really doubt a location of major importance like TT will be left blowing in the wind for all eternity.

So they eliminated Lugh Surehand how? I don't see him stepping down and I don't think much short of Dunkelzahn (if even) could kill him. Besides, all the 1st edition links to mythology and folklore were awesome plot twisters. It always worked much better than 2nd editions ED references.

Oh well, yet one more reason not to waste my money on 4th edition books.

If anything the setting of TT could have benefited from being even more uniquely elven with even more intrigue.

[hermit]

But no comments on Tir Taingire's international / corporate political relations? I'm trying to come up with some character concepts and contacts, so I was hoping for at least a few notes to work on.

Everyone is kissing up Horizon's ass because they've been media blitzed. And they love the taste of Horizon shit, to boot. Media Blitz, you know.

If anything the setting of TT could have benefited from being even more uniquely elven with even more intrigue.

Nah, it definitly lacked AIs and technomancers and other k3wl new stuff 4th brought up. Nothing says "elf autocracy" like an AI with a fluffy icon that developed out of a virtual pet, or a norm with half-asian features named Neo. Screw unique settings! This is 4th, baby. No more unique elven stuff here.

You pulled all that from a couple of sentences in Corporate Enclaves? Wow, impressive.

There's also the BBB, Unwired and Runner Havens. Besides, what was written there was sufficient to understand how badly they fucked up the setting.

[Angier]

Elven Autocracy? Tir na nOg.

Let's face it. None of us knows what's in for Tairngire. Especially since Lonsingshian times have passed (bless the gods!). So... hold your fruitless rants untill it gets fully covered in a supplement by someone who understands gameworld mechanics and dramaturgical tools.

[Grinder]

But ranting is half the fun! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)

[Angier]

Yeah. But less fun as the topic is so poorly covered (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[hermit]

But what we know reads 'unsalvagable'. Really, with that crap they have established, this setting is gonna be another stupid joke like LA, unhless CGL retcons their own stuff again.

[NightmareX]

While it is annoying that the only info we have are a couple blurbs in Runner's Havens and Corporate Enclaves, I for one am glad the old Council has stepped down from overt power (I can't realistically see it as anything other than a voluntary - albeit highly calculated - move). The Tir was always an essential improbable (not impossible though) place to run, and that amounted to alot of wasted setting space/flavor IMO. In other words, everyone was fine being from the Tir, but no one wanted to run in the Tir. But then you'll have that when virtual gods run the place. Making their control (yes, IMO they are still likely in control somehow) covert rather than overt is a good move, but we need more info (hint hint developers (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) )

[hermit]

Where, exactly, is LA a place you can run in with less attention to stealth, cover from above and care to being detected than the Tir of old, huh? And since the Tir is Orange County II it's propably a dumbass clone of the LA setting, with an elfy theme.

[NightmareX]

Where, exactly, is LA a place you can run in with less attention to stealth, cover from above and care to being detected than the Tir of old, huh?

I have yet to read the LA section, as it wasn't in demand in my group. However, El Infeirno or the underwater areas cross my mind immediately.

[hermit]

I have yet to read the LA section, as it wasn't in demand in my group. However, El Infeirno or the underwater areas cross my mind immediately.

The only way to run in LA is to hook up with P2.0, which essentially means you post your runs in your online live feed or viewer consumption. Noone in LA will take younserious as a runner if you don't do the Pita. Also, LA is a surveillance society that makes britain look like an Anarchist's paradise. The underground caves are full of horrors and worse things, and El Infierno has sunk into the ocean.