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 Dec 24 2003, 01:40 AM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 400 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 825  |
Well, it goes against the description (as I read it) of the piece of bioawre, but it's an interesting theory. Though, I'm not sure how they re-wire your body to produce each of these specially designed pheromones at just the right moment.
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Dec 24 2003, 01:58 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
I would assume the same way your body produces them. They just wire it to receive the same range of physiological clues to identify rage, pleasure, arousal, annoyance, distaste, etc. and release the appropriate pheremonal mix.
When I get home I'm going to check the description in M&M, but I don't remember it seeming to work some other way. ~J |
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Dec 24 2003, 04:27 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
The drawback is -- I have _amazingly_ sensitive eyes. I almost punched out one doc cause he told me to "be a man" when I started yelping at the eyedrops he was putting in my eyes. And I really, really don't want my cornea dissected because I flinched at the wrong time. I'll stick with glasses for the moment. :grinbig: -Siege |
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Dec 24 2003, 10:08 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
Not to mention that laser surgery has drawbacks, including the fact that it almost certainly destroys your night vision? Do your research, people.
Also, Siege, I thought you meant you had really emotionally expressive eyes, for a moment. Which I thought was kind of sweet, but alas. |
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Dec 24 2003, 11:17 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 400 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 825 |
I know about 3 or 4 people who have had it done, and not a single one of them has reported any nightvision problems. And I did ask. |
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Dec 24 2003, 01:20 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
Very few men will ever say that about themselves -- of course, I don't recall my ex ever saying that about me, either. :grinbig: -Siege |
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Dec 24 2003, 04:46 PM
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Jacked In, Up & Out Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 232 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Oceanside, CA Member No.: 95 |
Nice myth. Not true. I've had it, and lost no night vision whatsoever. Anecdotal evidence aside (my brothers cousins next door neighbors great aunt said....), studies have shown that for some people, you lose some of your night vision; other people get faint halos around lights (you know, the kind you get when you swim in an over chlorinated pool), and other people come out fine. There are, of course, the few cases where the patients vision is made worse and/or ruined. All that aside, I would still recommend it. Everything has risks, you need to do a risk/gain analysis and decide for yourself. Oh, and most certainly don't base your decision on information gained reading a gaming forum. Arethusa's misinformation aside, the point about doing your research is a good one. Derek |
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Dec 24 2003, 07:34 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
From what I've read and from reports of several people I know who've undergone it, halos at night and extreme difficulty seeing anything at dawn or dusk are not uncommon problems, thought most patients with these problems would say it was worth it not to have to wear glasses anymore. Yes, it varies; some people make it out with completely destroyed night vision, and others with no problems at all. And yes, I overstated; was 5am after a bad night. The fact remains that there are fairly significant dangers, and you should not jump quickly into something like this without being aware of the risks.
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Dec 24 2003, 08:22 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,548 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
My dad went through it and couldn't drive at night for three months. He didn't feel comfortable driving still for another six months after that. I haven't asked him if he's felt like he's totally gotten his night vision back since then, but he doesn't seem to be suffering for it. That said, he got his operation done in Venezuela about 8 years ago.
Siege, you don't have to worry so much about your eyes getting burned out because you move. From what I understand, you're allowed to blink and look around. The laser is faster than you are, and it adjusts itself when you're moving. I also suspect that the older techniques may have had a higher chance of causing unwanted consequences (see the paragraph above). But the technology has been out for about a decade now and it's pretty well tested. You might want to consider just getting one eye done, and that way if the laser messes up and leaves you with a gaping socket, or cuts off an ear or something, you can still use the other one : ) |
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Dec 24 2003, 09:15 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 103 Joined: 2-September 03 From: San Antonio Member No.: 5,571 |
Also, you can't go wrong with a story about losing the eye in a knife fight with a peg legged bandit in the hills of the Sierra Madre.
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Dec 24 2003, 10:00 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
False. As of three years ago (I believe), Germany refused to grant driver's licenses to those who had had laser corrective surgery for exactly this reason. This was some time ago, so it's entirely possible that it no longer applies, but it's about as mythical as the Roman Empire. ~J |
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Dec 25 2003, 12:36 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 63 Joined: 8-November 03 Member No.: 5,803 |
I cant say whether it is a truth or not, but having the goverment pass a law on it offers little proof. There are laws against using mobile phones in petrol stations for fear the transimissions will cause explosions. This was passed as a law, yet in reality it is never happened, and has an astronomically small chance of happening. Politicians aren't scientists. As a sidenote. I had always figured that laser surgery would improve your night vision, but I guess I have watched Pitch Black one to many times/ |
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Dec 25 2003, 01:24 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 608 Joined: 9-July 02 From: California Member No.: 2,955 |
It wasn't until a few weeks ago that I realized that was Vin Diesel.
Man he's cool. |
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Dec 25 2003, 01:32 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
Actually, it hasn't happened _yet_.
Although they have had several static-charge fires at gas pumps in the States so it exists in the realm of technical possibility. Just being difficult this morning. :grinbig: -Siege |
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Dec 25 2003, 03:30 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,548 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
Just a side note, I heard (and have not verified) that Vin Diesel was an avid DnD player, and even tattooed the name of one of his characters. That's pretty neat. |
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Dec 25 2003, 03:37 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 63 Joined: 8-November 03 Member No.: 5,803 |
Wheres your Christmas spirit? :) |
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Dec 25 2003, 05:50 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
Note, the article does not say "impossible" or "will never, ever happen". :grinbig: Emphasis mine Gawd, I sound like Doc Funk now. :eek: As for my holiday spirit...it's my birthday and Scrooge was right. Get fragged. :grinbig: -Siege |
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Dec 25 2003, 09:16 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,685 Joined: 17-August 02 Member No.: 3,123 |
This tailored pheremones bit reminds me of a problem I had with nanoware. I can install a nanite hive to keep my nanite levels up indefinitely, but there are no stats for buying a hive to plug into my wall and leave on my desk for periodic refills. Not to mention how freaking profitable it'd be to sell the excess to other people.
Now, I do understand the difficulties of installing free-floating systems, but those difficulties should be easily overcome with the right equipment and expertise. |
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Dec 26 2003, 03:19 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
Introducing nanites was just a bad idea, in my opinion.
That bit of tech requires a lot more guidelines to limit creative thinkers on how they can create, alter and deploy these things. Zaz just hit the tip of the iceberg. -Siege |
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Dec 26 2003, 03:54 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Not really. There are a lot of technical reasons why what Zazen suggested might be unfeasible. Nanoware is a fairly young science in Shadowrun, and as such the amount of good reasons why stuff shouldn't work vastly outweighs the reasons things should.
~J |
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Dec 26 2003, 04:33 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
If you can get a nano hive facility working in your body, having an external model should be pretty simple in comparison.
-Siege |
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Dec 26 2003, 04:41 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Not necessarily. The cyberware to keep track of nanite levels and ensure that everything gets distributed properly and to provide a proper method of input might be just as invasive as the hive itself. Not that it won't be possible, just that it won't be done because there's little point.
As for selling the excess... also impractical, as the things will be designed to prevent that. Actually, that may be a reason for the lack of availability of an external hive. ~J |
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Dec 26 2003, 04:46 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
I'll grant you the "just because" aspect of any piece of Shadowrun. However, the (monitoring system) + (production facility) has got to be more invasive than just the (monitoring system) by itself. I would suppose the nanites would be user-neutral instead of user specific, waiting for the host monitoring system to direct the little buggers accordingly. Which means selling the nanites to people lacking the monitoring system would be pointless as they would, for lack of direction, shut down or worse chew on everything. -Siege |
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Dec 26 2003, 07:33 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,685 Joined: 17-August 02 Member No.: 3,123 |
Free-floating systems don't need any kind of nano-related cyberware at all. You just inject, take a nap, and you're good to go. The other stuff is gravy.
They might be designed to prevent this kind of use, but that happens all the time in Shadowrun. How long is it until someone makes their electronics/nanotech B/R test? It's certainly worth the effort. It'd keep you rolling in nuyen for a very long time. |
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Dec 26 2003, 07:43 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
If it's a near-magical cure-all, I'd say ungodly expensive because of the overall benefit.
And I just find the idea of casual-use nanites to be just frightening. -Siege |
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