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pbangarth
post Jan 12 2009, 10:20 PM
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It's been two days, and NOBODY has thrown abuse or anything hard at me yet about Stardust!

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post Jan 13 2009, 04:36 AM
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Frankly, all of that double spacing on the stats made it almost painful to read. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)

Good background, eccentric but most of the builds here are far from "trenchcoat". SURGE might actually have fit his background (except that might take the focus away from his awakening as his big moment of change) - the metagenetic attribute improvement is better than exceptional attribute, since it is a bonus as well as an increase to the maximum rating.

Stat-wise, replace the counterspelling focus with a shielding focus - same cost, but works on all spells. If you can find a way to squeeze in another initiation, this build almost begs for reflecting. Why just jam it, when you can send it screaming back right at them? Are those two focus-disrupting spells from the Digital Grimoire? They seem incredibly limited, at least by the descriptions. I've never quite understood that tactic, actually. Why take out someone's focus, when the same amount of magical energy could take out them? I don't have the PDF, though, so for all I know, they could actually be pretty effective spells.
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post Jan 13 2009, 06:16 AM
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QUOTE (Glyph @ Jan 12 2009, 09:36 PM) *
Frankly, all of that double spacing on the stats made it almost painful to read. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)


Yeah, I am having trouble figuring out why I get that double spacing when I cut and paste from Word. Sorry. If someone knows, please tell me.

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Good background, eccentric but most of the builds here are far from "trenchcoat". SURGE might actually have fit his background (except that might take the focus away from his awakening as his big moment of change) - the metagenetic attribute improvement is better than exceptional attribute, since it is a bonus as well as an increase to the maximum rating.


I'll look into that, thanks, though I wonder about the BP cost.

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Stat-wise, replace the counterspelling focus with a shielding focus - same cost, but works on all spells. If you can find a way to squeeze in another initiation, this build almost begs for reflecting. Why just jam it, when you can send it screaming back right at them? Are those two focus-disrupting spells from the Digital Grimoire? They seem incredibly limited, at least by the descriptions. I've never quite understood that tactic, actually. Why take out someone's focus, when the same amount of magical energy could take out them? I don't have the PDF, though, so for all I know, they could actually be pretty effective spells.


The Shielding focus is actually half the nuyen cost! But twice the availability target, which is not an issue here. Shielding only works as spells are being cast, but the counterspelling focus Stardust has is for combat spells, and none of those can be sustained/quickened anyway. This is a great point, and may make one or both of the above suggestions affordable. Thanks again.

The focus disruption spells are indeed from DG. Stardust learned them for a theoretical reason. Their function conforms to his theory that he can learn about magic as it is being taken apart. He believes he can learn something from the way power disintegrates. This is not RAW, it's just Stardust. And he has two foci he can practice on... power and counterspelling.

A second reason may simply be he figures it may be useful someday to keep the mage alive, but weakened. Hey, Stardust is a little 'out there'. So are these spells. If I rethink the focus he has, I may rethink the spells too.

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post Jan 13 2009, 07:49 AM
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OK, I edited Stardust a bit, to do the following:
- switch the counterspelling focus for a shileding focus
- drop the disrupt counterspelling spell (but keep the disrupt power focus spell)
- reduce gear a bit
- drop Binding skill by 1
- initiate a third time, but not to take Reflecting (though it is cool) but to take Cleansing, as it is more up Stardust's theoretical alley, as it and the to-be-taken-later Filtering work in things like background count, and in fact -may- be effective against things like Astral Hazing. This last gives Stardust a broader magical skill set, which obviously fits his modus operandi, and allows him to study another kind of magical disintegration.

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post Jan 13 2009, 08:25 AM
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As far as the BP cost for SURGE goes, it is actually cheaper. You buy SURGE II for 10 BP, get metagenetic improvement/Logic for your 20 points of positive SURGE qualities, pick 10 points of negative SURGE qualities (which don't count against your limit), and overall you've saved 10 BP, at the expense of having to pick 10 points of negative SURGE qualities, but those could enhance your concept if you picture him with an unusual look (silvery skin and slightly luminescent eyes, for example).
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post Jan 13 2009, 07:51 PM
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The SURGE stuff looks profitable, Glyph, but I can't see it fitting Stardust's story all that well. And I think I've played with his stats enough. So I'll keep that stuff in mind for another character.

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pbangarth
post Jan 19 2009, 08:28 PM
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Well, perhaps not with the same intent, but Dreamseed is the kind of experience Bongo Slade is seeking!

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post Feb 10 2009, 06:32 PM
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Wow, no one produced the ultra twinked out street sam from hell yet?!

I am greatly shocked and disqusted by you all...
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post Feb 10 2009, 06:57 PM
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QUOTE (InfinityzeN @ Feb 10 2009, 11:32 AM) *
Wow, no one produced the ultra twinked out street sam from hell yet?!

I am greatly shocked and disqusted by you all...


So, show us what we're missing! Then we can see if he/she can stand up to Oro.
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post Feb 10 2009, 07:42 PM
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BTW, something I noticed in my own build that may garner a few more BP if you haven't already found it:
It's cheaper to buy a maxed stat with Karma than it is with BP.

I recovered some 25 points, though I haven't figured out where they're going yet.
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post Feb 10 2009, 07:47 PM
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I'm thinking a 15 Agility twinked Elven Gunbunny from hell, just for you guyz that don't like el'vz. Though with a Human or Orc I could get up to a 13 Agility and be happy with it... NAAAAAAA... 15 Agility is the target.

(Fore ya ask, 7 base + 1 Genetic + 1 Exceptional + 1 Surge = 10 (15))
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post Feb 10 2009, 07:47 PM
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From Draco18:
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BTW, something I noticed in my own build that may garner a few more BP if you haven't already found it:
It's cheaper to buy a maxed stat with Karma than it is with BP.

I recovered some 25 points, though I haven't figured out where they're going yet.


"Ahhh.. Grasshopper. When you can snatch the BP from my hand, then you are ready to twink."
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post Feb 10 2009, 07:50 PM
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QUOTE (InfinityzeN @ Feb 10 2009, 12:47 PM) *
I'm thinking a 15 Agility twinked Elven Gunbunny from hell, just for you guyz that don't like el'vz. Though with a Human or Orc I could get up to a 13 Agility and be happy with it... NAAAAAAA... 15 Agility is the target.

(Fore ya ask, 7 base + 1 Genetic + 1 Exceptional + 1 Surge = 10 (15))


Go for it!
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post Feb 10 2009, 10:10 PM
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Well, you guys seem to be really loving this experiment. It's gotten completely out of hand! Good work.
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post Feb 10 2009, 10:14 PM
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I think we need some Fictional Shadowrunners to round out the builds.

Presenting: Karl Kombat Mage!
"You stole my soul, my family, and my future. Your life is fair payment!"

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With only a magic of 4, Karl is going to do a lot of overcasting. However, aside from spirits and astral entities, he will be doing most of his destruction dealing with his his trusty SMG (which the Fluff said was used in Combat Mage: TNG; so I felt obligated to give him that) or his heavy weapons. Karl buffs himself up with Imp. Reflexes 4 and Combat Sense 6, which he uses his Foci to sustain. On the rare occasions when stealth is needed (right!), he can do the same with Imp. Invisibilty and Stealth.

I made his enemy corporation Ares, but it can be swapped out to be anyone. He has an addiction and a weakness to two Ares created drugs, to give it that larger than life flare.
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post Feb 10 2009, 10:23 PM
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He lives! I was beginning to worry about you, Jake.

I've sort of issued a challenge to InfinityzeN... a duel (non-lethal of course) between Oro the Unstoppable and the best InfinityzeN can come up with.

I figure something like MapTool, with the contributors to this thread linked in as spectators; a plain, dusty-earth terrain, maybe some sagebrush, with two icons, Oro and Lightning-Elven-Gunbunny; the whistling theme from The Good, the Bad and the Ugly in the background. (Oowee-oowee-ooooooo...)
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post Feb 10 2009, 10:27 PM
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QUOTE (Octopiii @ Feb 10 2009, 03:14 PM) *
I think we need some Fictional Shadowrunners to round out the builds.

Presenting: Karl Kombat Mage!
"You stole my soul, my family, and my future. Your life is fair payment!"


Incompetent (Etiquette). I love it!
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post Feb 11 2009, 01:54 AM
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*Final Version 2.2*

English Name: Alan Orodano
Native Amer Adult Name: Hawk-Who-Watches-The-Night
Native Amer Childhood name: Little-Brave-Hawk
Working Name: "Watcher in the Dark", "Watcher" for short
Description: PCC Special Forces Sniper/Weapons Specialist, Medical Separation for "PTSD" (read: He went bat shit crazy!)

History & Background
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Stats
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Dicepools
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Gear
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Lifestyle
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Notes
He normally wears the armored cloths and the FFBA. Switch the armored cloths to the armored vest in dangerous areas.
On mission, he wears the UE Suit over FFBA, with the helmet and PPP vitals protector [B: 13, I: 11]
Walk-around Weapons carried: Auto Knife, Colt Gov 2066, Defiance Taser

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AR Theme Music "Sound of the drums... Beaten' in my heart... The thunder of guns... Tore me apart... You've been - thunderstruck!" *BOOM!*

"So if I shoot your wife in the head, it actually hurts you? Hummm... interesting. This should be an interesting experiment. Be sure to tell me what you feel" *BLAM!*

"Oh I understand lust. Fucking is a biological drive, not an emotion. I just don't understand all that..."
"For the last time, I'm not letting you watch me fuck my wife!"

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post Feb 11 2009, 02:22 AM
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QUOTE (Coldhand Jake @ Feb 10 2009, 05:10 PM) *
Well, you guys seem to be really loving this experiment. It's gotten completely out of hand! Good work.


Nono, it's in hand all right.

Just the wrong ones.

Oh, and *snatches BP from the hands*
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post Feb 11 2009, 05:29 AM
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QUOTE (InfinityzeN @ Feb 10 2009, 06:54 PM) *
Wait a minute, what challenge? I never received a challenge.


Post #234. But it is "sort of", and I am teasing. Sort of.
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post Feb 11 2009, 06:51 AM
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Reading over Uncle Zola, I found a few errors. I fixed Foci, their costs, and some of the tactical clues text. Post #58.

*sigh* I think he's correct now.
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post Feb 11 2009, 07:59 AM
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It's a good build, InfinityzeN - most of the other combat builds were close combat specialists, so a ranged guy is good. It's still kind of ... jarring... to see a ranged specialist, with all of that senseware, who will still need goggles or contacts to use his smartlink.
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post Feb 11 2009, 10:30 AM
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Ran out of space in the eyes, and Smartlink didn't make sense for the Suite. And he is not that bad at close combat, rolling 20 dice with 7P damage.

*EDIT*
Thought about it. He was in the SF, so he should have a military version. Updated.
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post Feb 12 2009, 02:32 AM
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Well, Watcher certainly fits this group. Insanely dangerous, and insane to boot! Welcome!

It should be fun to see how the magically active in this group (including all four I created!) respond to astral hazing in their midst. I guess it is good he can be the 'God shot' from afar.

It would be an interesting experiment to see how Bongo Slade's music affects Watcher.
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post Feb 12 2009, 02:53 AM
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Yea, its a good thing most people who work with him don't realize just how nucking futs he is. I gotta get around to putting together the rest of his gear and he'll be done.

I think next I'm going to tackle a plan run'o'd'mill hacker. It seems everyone is building awakened characters so a few mundanes should round out the group nicely.
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