OOC: Phoenix Rising, Out of Character thread for the runners Options

[Oenone]

Yes, I mean the commlinks. They develop datatrails.

Actually the commlinks don't, it's the SIN you're running on the commlink which does (unless you're using a disposable commlink from Unwired). That's what has your matrix commcode and all kinds of details hooked up to it. The software on it might, depending on if it's legal or not.

But generally you shouldn't need to ditch the physical device unless you're being trailed by someone or want to give it to a random homeless guy to distract/divert attention.

As for the runner gear, Etoile has all the programs she believes she needs. Plus image link, subvocal microphone and AR gloves.

If anyone suggests a trode net she'll just blink and shake her head as her commlink is really only there to route her smartlink through. And even that'll be swapped to implants when she has the cash (along with the nice 0 essence safety chips from Augmentation)

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@Brent - Out of interest what gear have they let people in with? Will Etoile have had to leave her tools and weapons behind? And there isn't all that much she could do about the hand razors, she will have the carbon fibre versions but they could still show on a Cyberware scanner....

[Coldhand Jake]

@The group, mostly Truth

First, wetwork should pay more. Secondly, I'm trying to negotiate more info and money for this job. The Johnson's given us enough info to fuck him if we're 'moral folk'. It's in his interest to offer what we want to get the job rolling.

Thirdly, this team -is- way too big for a hit. If he can get the job broken into two...the data theft on one side, the hit on another, for the same pay...that'd be good. Plus, if someone did both, 20k is alot more enticing...

[crizh]

I still don't see why you need the gloves. You use the trodes to send commands to the commlink, and you can see what its doing on the image link...... Why do you need a pair of gloves?

I seem to recall seeing a knock-down drag-out flame war on here somewhere.

(You know the sort of thing, very juvenile. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif) )

The upshot was that the majority were of the opinion that trodes were one way. They can send signals to your brain but not receive them or they at least lack the hardware to decode them.

A trode-net that can do that is called a simrig.

You get a nice AR/VR overlay from trodes but you need gloves or a physical DNI link to interact with it.

[Oenone]

From the BBB the description of the simrig is 'An advanced version of the trode net' which strongly implies it is able to carry out any functions a trode net could. From the text it seems the only bonus feature is a record mode.

So thus if a simrig can control a device then so can a trode net. You just can't record whatever you're experiencing for playback later.

But really I guess it's down to the GM, as the book gives very little detail about them.

[Coldhand Jake]

Frankly, as to the trode question, I'm going off what has been true since I started in 2nd edition. Trodes get you into VR. Which would mean that they are a full DNI interface. They were how you pulled a mage on a Matrix run with you back then, same now. Simrigs, on the other hand, were improved sim modules, for recording chips and sending sensory data...from snuff film BTLs to skillsofts to a way to feel your lover's side of time in bed.

[Tarantula]

I seem to recall seeing a knock-down drag-out flame war on here somewhere.

(You know the sort of thing, very juvenile. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif) )

The upshot was that the majority were of the opinion that trodes were one way. They can send signals to your brain but not receive them or they at least lack the hardware to decode them.

A trode-net that can do that is called a simrig.

You get a nice AR/VR overlay from trodes but you need gloves or a physical DNI link to interact with it.

I think you're backwards. Trodes provide a DNI interface. Your brain to the commlink. A sim module allows them to take signals from the commlink and send it to your brain.

Trodes give you great interaction, but you need a sim module with them to get a nice AR/VR overlay.

[Shalimar]

We should probably just wait for the Johnson's response to Charlie, Jake, and Etoile before going further. We've asked:

1)Does he expect both to happen simultaneously
2)Expressed our opinion that this is way too little for wet work (and possibly the data steal)
3)Detail's on the target's abilities
4)Expected Security
5)Time Frame

Once we get his reply and are better informed we will be in a better situation to negotiate

[crizh]

I think you're backwards. Trodes provide a DNI interface. Your brain to the commlink. A sim module allows them to take signals from the commlink and send it to your brain.

Precisely the confusion that caused an enormous flame-thread.

Sim-module does not equal Simrig.

A Sim-module can feed an ASIST signal into a brain. A Simrig is use to create an ASIST recording from a brain.

[Tarantula]

Rather than hashing it out in our OOC thread, mine throwing me a link so I can take a look at that thread? I must've completely missed it.

[Shalimar]

40,000 each, 440,000 all up he must really want it done.

[bmcoomes]

I'm having trouble finding my photo of the prototype so I'll get one up when I find it. Yeah he has a fat pockets to get this done and fast. so for each success it was 10,000. and really it's not to much being you waking someone, and stealing for the GOV.

Brent

[Oenone]

Say, I don't suppose we're using the rules from Arsenal about high strengths giving recoil compensation are we?

If we are then I have completely pointless recoil compensation upgrades on Etoiles pistols. (Hmmm now there's a thought, could the custom grips be swapped for a completely different gun? Or would they perhaps be balanced/designed with the specific weapon in mind?)

[bmcoomes]

As an inside note he not trying to stop the project but slow it down so "they" can get one up and running to give some competition.

Brent

[bmcoomes]

Say, I don't suppose we're using the rules from Arsenal about high strengths giving recoil compensation are we?

If we are then I have completely pointless recoil compensation upgrades on Etoiles pistols. (Hmmm now there's a thought, could the custom grips be swapped for a completely different gun? Or would they perhaps be balanced/designed with the specific weapon in mind?)

Yes I'm using that rule. And no unless it is the same type of gun just about every gun has a differance frame and grip design. Plus I wouldn't think it's point less it'll still be nice to have it went the unlucky things happen.

Brent

[Little Johnson]

Would one of the hackers be opposed to cracking this womans com to see if she happens to have dinner plans tonight or an apointment with someone else with in the next 24 hrs?

did we get enough info on her to start that?

If that doesnt pan out can we social engineer her out into the open with a fake "you have won an all expense paid trip to X all you have to do is come get it " type of thing? or something less flashy like a msg from her vet if she has a pet that says "our records show that fluffy was accedently given a vaccine that was not yet approved by mistake can you bting her in rite away for a test to see if her intrernal organs are about to fail"

[Coldhand Jake]

Once I have a lead on her commcode or AccessID, hell yes, I'll be going over her comm with a fine-toothed comb.

[Fuchs]

Well, DD started a search a few posts ago, any results?

[bmcoomes]

oops, sorry I'll get you that Fuchs.

Brent

[Oenone]

I don't remember seeing any posts where Johnson gave us any specific data yet. So we probably don't have anything on her personally aside from she lives on campus.

[Fuchs]

Hehe, love the reaction of Dancing Eyes.

[bmcoomes]

That contact information was Dr. Lisa Cummings address is NE 43rd st and Roosevelt way NE apartment 405. Her commcode was given too.

Brent

[crizh]

Off to bed now.

Can we agree to take the job?

That way we can get on with finding out how he is setting us up and triple-cross the slitch.

[Shalimar]

I would actually suggest we hire a smuggler with a speed boat to get us to the Island and back. With Dancing Eyes and Charlie to provide spiritual aid we can juice a boat up with Conceal and Move garaunteeing we can out run anything and that it wont be seen. If we offered 4,000 for a smuggler I think we could definitely get one for a night.

[DWC]

If we're going the concealment and movement route, we can just steal a boat. The crossing is only 8 miles. We could be across and on the island before anyone knew the boat was gone.

[Fuchs]

Stealing a boat is an unneeded risk in my opinion. Too many chances it could go wrong (hidden transceiver/signal beacon, more security than expected, not enough speed/defenses if we have to bail out under pursuit). With the payment offered, I do not think we should try to save on transportation.