 Skillsofts and defaulting., Has anyone asked this before? O_o |
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 Dec 24 2003, 02:25 AM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 973 Joined: 3-October 03 Member No.: 5,677  |
...I have only one question:
Is it possible to default using Skillsofts? (That is, using a SMG when you only have a pistols Skillsoft) |
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Dec 24 2003, 02:34 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 268 Joined: 30-March 03 From: Denver, CO Member No.: 4,355 |
nope.
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Dec 24 2003, 03:32 AM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
no, and that is explicitly stated in the rules but I can't provide a quote or page as my books are packed up. moving.
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Dec 24 2003, 03:35 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 71 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,832 |
I agree with a steadfast "No," but have to wonder:
Is there some option which would allow a skillsoft to permit defaulting? It'd be like DIMAP or something else, perhaps, basically some Fuzzy-logic BS... |
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Dec 24 2003, 03:56 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 973 Joined: 3-October 03 Member No.: 5,677 |
What's DIMAP again? :? Sorry, I don't have M&M... |
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Dec 24 2003, 04:10 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
No defaulting children. Nada.
Now, if you want to get a multi-slot chipjack and some skillsoft jute-boxes installed in your head, with a utility that lets you switch from one to another at will, that's cool! ...I think I just channeled the spirit of HardC.O.R.P.S. , but I t'ain't'nt sure. |
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Dec 24 2003, 04:11 AM
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Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715 |
Hey, no calling me "child," Neo-A scum. :rotfl:
Either way, no defaulting. That just allows too much twinkiness. |
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Dec 24 2003, 04:21 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 973 Joined: 3-October 03 Member No.: 5,677 |
t'ain't'nt? How would you pronounce that? :rotfl: :? |
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Dec 24 2003, 04:25 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
Jes lahk 's spalled.
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Dec 24 2003, 04:46 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 639 Joined: 22-April 02 Member No.: 2,638 |
Clustersofts. Gotta love 'em. Add in some Optimized Pluscode for some real wiz-bang. Here's my 'Thief in a Can' special: Electronics(Security Systems)-3 (O.P. gives it Assist-1 and Pulse-43MP) Electronics(Security Systems-B/R)-3 (O.P.: Assist-1, Pulse-43MP) Security Procedures-3 (unoptimized, un-Pluscoded knowsoft - Assist-n/a, Pulse-45MP) Total memory load: 95MP Availability: 8/8 days Cost: 24000 :nuyen: Works nicely with Skillwires-3(100MP), CED-3, an Electronics toolkit, and the chipjack of your choice. Or how about the 'Chia-Pilot'? Built for Federated-Boeing dockworkers who are frequently called upon to operate a number of utility vehicles (tug boats, cargo hovers, shuttle 'copters): Hovercraft-3 (Assist-3, Pulse-45MP) Rotor Aircraft-3 (Assist-3, Pulse-45MP) Motorboat-3 (Assist-3, Pulse-45MP) Total memory load: 99MP Availability: 8/8 days Cost: 9900 :nuyen: Throw in a multi-slot chipjack for the dock foreman. This allows him to access linguasofts (to communicate with the various foreign ship captains and crews) and cargo itineraries (datasofts), without having to swapout the piloting chip at an inopportune moment. |
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Dec 24 2003, 05:03 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
page number on the no-defaulting rule? i don't see it in SR3 under Defaulting, Skillsofts, or Skillwires; nor does it show up in CC.
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Dec 24 2003, 07:04 PM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
If I could have given you a page number I would have, but like I said all my books are boxed up because I'm about to move.
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Dec 24 2003, 09:00 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
As far as I know, there is no such rule denying Skillsoft users the ability to default, nor should there be. Skillsofts "teach" you a skill for all intents and purposes except where specifically stated (ie, overriding any skill you already have and denying you the ability to use dice pools without the DIMAP option). If you slot an Assault Rifles chip and pick up an HK227 SMG, you should be able to use it just fine, albeit with the usual +2 TN modifier, just like someone who really had the skill.
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Dec 25 2003, 12:13 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 224 Joined: 6-April 02 From: ab.ca Member No.: 2,522 |
I don't know if it comes up in canon, but I would say no. I view skillsofts as being very rigid. You can do whatever is on the chip, but you do not really know the skill. So without having the actual memories involved in the learning of the skill, you lack the dynamic relation necessary to translate what you know to something similar. A skillsoft is an electronic simulation and therefore lacks a human's adaptability.
At least, that's the fluff I'd use to explain it. I've never had a player who's abused skillwires, but I've played a PC who abused skillwires, and I like to keep nice limits on skillsofts. :) |
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Dec 26 2003, 04:23 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
that really doesn't make a lot of sense. a pistol skillsoft tells you how to fire a pistol; if you pick up a submachinegun, it's still going to work--but it'll have problems because some of its instructions don't apply. that sounds a lot like defaulting to me.
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