The Hollywood Correctional Facility, Prison in the Shadows Options

[Shadow]

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So I am about to start a new campaign here in the forsaken wasteland that is Boise Idaho (at least when it comes to gaming) and I am creating a campaign that will see the PC's in prison about three sessions in. I would like it to be brief, maybe two sessions. Other than the obvious resource of prison movies, what do you guys think prison is like in 2070? What is your view on it? You can leave out the gangrape in the shower's, I don't run that kind of game (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[ahammer]

1st thing you need to ask is it a govment run prison
or a corp.

also some of the gangs in the area sould have clicks on the inside this will let you player know who the player in town are and add some flavor.

[toturi]

*Looks around* If you play in my upcoming Table top game read no further!

So I am about to start a new campaign here in the forsaken wasteland that is Boise Idaho (at least when it comes to gaming) and I am creating a campaign that will see the PC's in prison about three sessions in. I would like it to be brief, maybe two sessions. Other than the obvious resource of prison movies, what do you guys think prison is like in 2070? What is your view on it? You can leave out the gangrape in the shower's, I don't run that kind of game (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Prison Break, maybe?

[ravensoracle]

Or Death Race?

[Shadow]

All good, but I would like more 2070 specific. How do you think the gaurds behave, what security measure does the building have etc...


And I think it would be a corp run for the Metroplex, ala Lonestar or some other sub contractor.

[ahammer]

that make me think jail may be the only them some people have been without online access all for long proids of time.
got to think of a good way to play that up.

corp they are going to treate them like skum. remeber it is unlikly the corps are getting payed to have people not come back to prison are these people have no longer have a lot of right due to have a cremal sin. look at somone wrong and they will give you a beat down.

they are more concernd with keeping people in line then refroming them.

or

with VR there is no need cells if you put somone into a sim that like a cell this also stop people from fighting back
maybe the only time they are out of VR is to eat and sleep. (feel like there was a movie where people spent all there time in vr (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohplease.gif) )

or

could just be a jail but you do not get to go out to the yard you eat in your cell, you bed is there, sometime you get to turn on vr to get some "fresh air"

or

maybe for some of the harsher crime you have to go throw a sim of the event you made happen. kill some one and you get to feel what it is like to get shot and have not control over the events

or

it could be a shop where they use totor soft to show you the error of your ways(brain wash) into working in the system.

or

if you have some cyberwhere you could be forced to be a bio drone. you get to be force labor till you time is up out in the wild but if you try to do anything out of line a riger will take over you cyberware and force you to be inline. (and punish you till you learn better) like hud only with unwilling people.

[JonathanC]

Depends on the corp. In light of the topic title, I'd say a prison in L.A., run by, say, Horizon, would probably be set up as a reality show. All inmates are automatically rendered 'unpaid talent' for some kind of cheesy, ongoing amalgam of Big Brother, Survivor, and Flavor of Love Girls Charm School. Physical challenges, embarassing makeovers, constant shifting alliances and factions...sure, you're safe from shower rape (hopefully), but now you've got to worry about that two-faced bitch voting you out of the North Wing cells (featuring warmed toilet seats!), and since you failed the last three immunity challenges, that means you're headed back to Gen pop, where you have to weave your own toilet paper.

Ares I could see using prisoners as industrial labor. Aztechnology...hmm...ritual sacrifice is too stereotypical, but I'm sure a fair number of their prisoners go there. The rest I figure...maybe free mercs for their wars in South America? With some cranial kink bombs to keep the soldiers in line? Failing that, the good 'ol fashioned bomb collar? I could totally see Mitsuhama or another Japanacorp going for a full Matrix-style human battery array using prisoners. Cheap feeding, you don't have to worry about securing the yard or the showers, and you make some cash as part of the deal.

[Beetle]

I hate to admit it, but my GM snagged some inspiration from Demolition Man and went the whole sim brainwashing/reprogramming route. for the majority of our incarceration while not cryogenically frozen, we spent it in simrigs. It was pretty funny when we were finally let out and we discovered over time we had a bunch of crazy, if not practical knowledge skills like baking, knitting and gardening.

The guards were glorified babysitters in this particular prison and tended to be rigged security drones more often than not.

[pbangarth]

Mind control... drugs, electronic, whatever... is probably an option for various jurisdictions. Keep the inmate quiet for the allotted time, and then let him out. Particularly if the inmate was SINless to start.

Peter

[Beetle]

Mind control... drugs, electronic, whatever... is probably an option for various jurisdictions. Keep the inmate quiet for the allotted time, and then let him out. Particularly if the inmate was SINless to start.

Peter

Yep, it's hard for us to riot and shank people while we're in VR learning about knitting mittens.

[The Jopp]

I imagine that prisons don't have to be that high security in 2070 since youu have a lot of cheap technology to keep people inside and relativetly safe and sound.

This is my version of a more "humane" prison. You dont have to be cruel in order to take care of prisoners and you can still keep them happy.

Considering how cheap technology is we can make a cheap calculation per inmate. Note however that this is market prices and not the reduced price a corporation would get by ordering things in bulk quantities. Let's assume that the corporation use their own brands for everything and cuts prices in half.

The Cells
Lifestyle: Squatter (You have a shared room, bland food and a bed)
Cost: 500Y (250Y)
Tech: Meta Link & Vector Xim embedded in bed/wall. Ar-Gloves, Sim-Module, Skinlink and Trodes.
Cost: 750Y (375)

Total Cost: 1250 (625Y) / Inmate

The Inmate
The prisoners wear Flats and have an RFID tag inserted that keeps track of the prisoner at all time (in some cases more than one tag for extra security). Sensors keep track of the inmates and alert security if something is amiss.

Drones
The prisons security is simple. Railmounted drones in the roof equipped with riot control weaponry (Teargas, Pepper Spray, Tazers etc) patrol the perimeter at all time.

Riot Drones
Riot drones are deployed the moment a drone is damaged or restrained and basically gas the entire area into unconciousness by contact vector drugs.

Security Devices
Standard security devices includes keypads, pressure pads/mesh, laser trip wires.

Outer Perimeter
Outer perimeter is barbed wire and electric wires and fences.

Wireless Defense
The entire prison is jammed where the inmates are. In a pinch the drones can activate a localized jammer and follow the prisoner on the rail system.

Magical Defense
A few patrolling spirits and astral mages patrol the area outside the prison.

Biofibers coat the entire prison with varying thickness depending on security.

Awakened prisoners have a mage collar that functions similar to a Ambient Magical Potentiometer (AMP). As soon as the collar (or rather the FAB inside) detects a rising in ambient mana coming from a channeling caster the collar will detect the heightened state of the FAB and give the caster a small jolt of electricity, effectively blocking their concentration.

If the prisoner continues to use magic a stronger current will be used until they stop or are unconcious.

Subliminal Messages
All visual communications have imbedded subliminal messages for mental conditioning of the prisoners with simple things like "Dont Riot" and "Work Hard" to ensure a calm and pacified population.

Prison Factory
Since the prisoners are a low paid workforce with few choices they make a handy profit as cheap labourers for the corporation that owns the prison. Chances of rioting is also lessened since there are a lot of simsense options for the prisoners which lessens boredom.

[Chrysalis]

I found prison to be boring. You spend most of the time watching TV, playing cards, or then waiting for your once a week moment in the rec room. You have no idea of time unless it is mentioned on TV. I remember mostly sleeping.

Some places even charge you for all the amenities. You have to pay for everything, not to mention the rent of the room. I think one place in the U.S. charged 60 bucks a day.

Now fast forward to 2070. You not only pay for everything, you are expected to work around prison. It is like the ACHE, but without any of the horror effects. Day in day out you see the same prisoners and at some point a fight breaks out. You get shanked and you go to the infirmary where a doctor who had his medical license revoked tries to stop you from dying with equipment from the 1970s. Then you get the bill afterwards down to the bandaids used.


If the prisoners don't like mouthy prisoners, think what happens with the guards. You get put in the hole for four days for wisecracking the guards. You decide that you are going to show how macho you are and punch a guard. The whole wing goes on lockdown and TV rights are revoked for the month. Guess who is going to get some "street justice" in the showers next week.

So you end up with cliques of people. The latinos will be with the latinos, orcs with orcs, and humanis will be running the kitchen. You don't want to join a gang and you are alone. No-one will look after you. This is when the more aggressive and stronger individuals will become aggressive. So he puts his hand on your thigh and says your his now. You fight back and suddenly you are going to get some "street justice" in the rec room next week.

You kill someone in prison and your sentence gets longer, you get accused of a crime in prison your sentence gets longer.

It is not about cyberware or skills, it's about who you know and how you are going to protect your back.

[Spike]

I postulated a prison senario using the idea of a corporate prison (Lonestar run) in the Pacific Northwest for SINless.

So: we have prisoners who are not citizens, but are not utterly bereft of rights, and who's existance is, in fact, recorded. You have a corp who is essentially being paid by the Seattle Metroplex to house x number of bodies for y amounts of time. They want to maximize their profits (keep cost per prisoner per day to a minimum) while simulataniously not allowing their bodycount to drop (less prisoners means less money for their prison services) unduly, and without losing their contract (too many casualties, too many escapees, etc...).


What I postulated then was essentially a big open air pit of a prison, rather than cells and the sort. Medical and inprocessing facilities are built into the wall, the guards stay on the wall with (mostly) non-lethal weapons. There were heated 'overheads' near the center of the camp as rainshelters/cold weather relief, water was troughed in near the walls, food was dropped in 'survival bars' from random locations around the wall twice a day.

[ahammer]

I postulated a prison senario using the idea of a corporate prison (Lonestar run) in the Pacific Northwest for SINless.

So: we have prisoners who are not citizens, but are not utterly bereft of rights, and who's existance is, in fact, recorded. You have a corp who is essentially being paid by the Seattle Metroplex to house x number of bodies for y amounts of time. They want to maximize their profits (keep cost per prisoner per day to a minimum) while simulataniously not allowing their bodycount to drop (less prisoners means less money for their prison services) unduly, and without losing their contract (too many casualties, too many escapees, etc...).


What I postulated then was essentially a big open air pit of a prison, rather than cells and the sort. Medical and inprocessing facilities are built into the wall, the guards stay on the wall with (mostly) non-lethal weapons. There were heated 'overheads' near the center of the camp as rainshelters/cold weather relief, water was troughed in near the walls, food was dropped in 'survival bars' from random locations around the wall twice a day.

in system like that it become hard to get people back out when there time is up.

[Fortune]

There are no official prisons for the SINless. As soon as a SINless person is arrested they are issued a Criminal SIN, and are therefore no longer SINless.

[Spike]

One can be 'SINless' when one is arrested and incarcerated, and thence issued a Criminal SIN, obviously. I didn't think it was relevant to the question being asked, so I didn't bother to mention it.

Obviously there is a way in and out of the wall: Note that inprocessing facilities (which, obviously enough would serve as outprocessign facilities as well...) as well as basic medical care are built into the wall itself, providing access to the prison yard. The key isn't elimination of interaction but minimization. The corp isn't interested in managing the prisoners, which is labor (and thus cost) intensive, but rather just minimal maintanance.

Further details, such as methods to keep down widespread violence, or means of getting prisoners to the medical bay weren't dealt with specifically either, but were in mind.

[Fortune]

One can be 'SINless' when one is arrested and incarcerated, and thence issued a Criminal SIN, obviously. I didn't think it was relevant to the question being asked, so I didn't bother to mention it.

I was responding to this portion of your post ...

I postulated a prison senario using the idea of a corporate prison (Lonestar run) in the Pacific Northwest for SINless.

So: we have prisoners who are not citizens, but are not utterly bereft of rights ...

My point is that by the time of their incarceration, prisoners have already been issued Criminal SINs. So the scenario you postulated would not actually come about. At least in any official or acknowledged capacity.

[Spike]

I think you were being deliberately obtuse. I was referring to the origin of the prisoners. Those who had SIN's (and thus citizenship with various corporate bodies, presumptively) are a much different critter, legally, than those who did not.

A prison housing criminals who had SIN's before is a different host of critters, thus the necessity of the distinction. A criminal SIN does not appreciably create a citizenship status so much as provide a record of previous transgressions.

[Fortune]

I think you were being deliberately obtuse.

Thanks for that, but as I explain below, that is not the case.

I was referring to the origin of the prisoners. Those who had SIN's (and thus citizenship with various corporate bodies, presumptively) are a much different critter, legally, than those who did not.

A prison housing criminals who had SIN's before is a different host of critters, thus the necessity of the distinction. A criminal SIN does not appreciably create a citizenship status so much as provide a record of previous transgressions.

I totally disagree. A Criminal SIN is a Criminal SIN! A SINless person convicted of a crime is given a Criminal SIN. A UCAS SINner convicted of a crime has his SIN changed (or a tag amended) to a Criminal SIN. I fail to see why there would be any differentiation between the two, let alone separate facilities for each. Both now have the exact same rights (or lack thereof), and would be treated in the same manner (barring variables such as bribes and the like).

Jurisdiction is a totally different matter. An Ares citizen convicted of a crime would have an Ares Criminal SIN, and might very well go to an Ares facility ... if Ares is the Corporation that convicted him. If he's committed a crime in UCAS jurisdiction however, he just might be incarcerated in a Federal institution, or even a prison run by one of the other Corporations. This would not be any different from a SINless person convicted in these same jurisdictions though, except that technically the SINless criminal would be lucky to get to trial if he was caught on Extraterritorial property.

[Matsci]

From Corp Enclaves:

What they were doing was pretty much a mystery until the recent announcement of their plans to open "The Haven," a social reeducation facility, that will also include facilities to "rehabilitate magically and technologically awakened offenders." I've heard that they already have a waiting list of so-called offenders from other countries and corporations, who generally dislike the costs inherent in keeping magicians and virtuakinetics locked up. Supposedly, the facility will be
open for business in late fall, if you decide you want to, ahem, visit.

> Horizon operates several prisons around the globe, taking in criminals from other corps and countries, turning a nice profit in the process. Their facilities are very different from normal lockups. Prisoners are referred to as patients and treated as though their crimes resulted from mental illnesses, which, supposedly, the doctors and staff are there to "cure." I lost one of my men to one of these places outside Lisbon. He told me that they were pretty heavy into group therapy and made him go through these annoying sims constantly. Apparently they experimented with different conditioning techniques, too. Poor slob. We eventually got him out, months later, and he was never the same, just froze up on our last job together when it came time to apply some heavy firepower. I blame Horizon; I don't know what they did in there, but it screwed up a good merc.
> Picador

> I looked up some stats on their prisons. I'm not sure what they're doing, but Horizon releases their inmates, on average, seven months earlier than other prisons, and have a 63 percent lower recidivism rate. No one is saying anything bad about the places; all reports cite some bullshit about Horizon's unique "multi-layered, holistic approach to rehabilitation." I can't even find any inmate interviews that are negative. I'm gonna do some more research. Picador, can I talk to your friend? I'd love to get a first-person POV.
> Sunshine

> Sorry. Bert took a bullet to the head during that last op. I can forward you the notebook he kept, though. If you make any sense of it, let me know.
> Picador

So basically Horizon goes Clockwork Orange on your ass

[Spike]

Thanks for that, but as I explain below, that is not the case.



I totally disagree. A Criminal SIN is a Criminal SIN! A SINless person convicted of a crime is given a Criminal SIN. A UCAS SINner convicted of a crime has his SIN changed (or a tag amended) to a Criminal SIN. I fail to see why there would be any differentiation between the two, let alone separate facilities for each. Both now have the exact same rights (or lack thereof), and would be treated in the same manner (barring variables such as bribes and the like).


Jurisdiction is a totally different matter. An Ares citizen convicted of a crime would have an Ares Criminal SIN, and might very well go to an Ares facility ... if Ares is the Corporation that convicted him. If he's committed a crime in UCAS jurisdiction however, he just might be incarcerated in a Federal institution, or even a prison run by one of the other Corporations. This would not be any different from a SINless person convicted in these same jurisdictions though, except that technically the SINless criminal would be lucky to get to trial if he was caught on Extraterritorial property.

I disagree. First, a SINless who is assigned a Criminal SIN is different from a SINner who is ameneded to have a Criminal SIN. On the very face of it there is a difference in the data being tracked: in the case of the (former) SINless, they have gone from an essentially anonymous non-person with limited rights to being a tracked non-person with limited rights. The SINner retains their rights and citizenship, but is now catagorized as a criminal as well.

Its the matter of rights and citizenship that is the key point of difference here. To begin with, and ARES citizen (with an ARES SIN) is highly unlikely to be held in a Lonestar (say...) facility for any length of time without serious extradition trials and the intervention of the corporate court. Not least of which is due to the fact that they are rivals (via Knight Errant security). Imagine, essentially, if a US citizen was arrested and held in China while visiting the Olympics. Sure, it can, and does happen, but its major news and usually a diplomatic incident, more if the crime is not considered one in the parent nation.

Then there is the matter of rights. A SIN (pre-criminal) provides far more rights and legal protections than being SINless, even in a dystopic future. People WANT these things, after all. While the Corp may not particularly care for you, if they routinely ignore their part of their contracts with their citizens it will create problems for the bottom line in the long run.

Now, regarding a UCAS run facility... if there are any facilities actually RUN by the UCAS, certainly they would be capable of housing prisoners from a variety of corporations. However, given the tone of Shadowrun and the current, Real World, trend towards contracted prison facilities, I believe such facilities to be extraordinarily rare and reserved for very specific types of criminals. Instead, their contracts with the various megacorporations would ensure that an ARES citizen is remanded into an ARES run prison and an MCT citizen is remanded to an MCT run facility, or (more likely in that case), one of their choice.

A prision housing corporate citizen criminals would have better overall facilities, as ideally the Corporation would like to return their assets (personnel) to the black ink column of their ledgers as quickly as possible, meaning rehabilitation (VR braindance, etc), rather than simple incarceration, is the key. For prisoners who cannot be rehabilitated realistically, then there is a PR benefit to showing how humane they are compared to prisons for the SINless (former, since you seem to be hung up up on the fact that their status changes), and of course you can still have family in the corp who will work better knowing their incarcerated relatives are reasonably comfortable and safe. Its not about actual humane behavior so much as careful management of morale and PR.

[AllTheNothing]

I found prison to be boring. You spend most of the time watching TV, playing cards, or then waiting for your once a week moment in the rec room. You have no idea of time unless it is mentioned on TV. I remember mostly sleeping.

Some places even charge you for all the amenities. You have to pay for everything, not to mention the rent of the room. I think one place in the U.S. charged 60 bucks a day.

Now fast forward to 2070. You not only pay for everything, you are expected to work around prison. It is like the ACHE, but without any of the horror effects. Day in day out you see the same prisoners and at some point a fight breaks out. You get shanked and you go to the infirmary where a doctor who had his medical license revoked tries to stop you from dying with equipment from the 1970s. Then you get the bill afterwards down to the bandaids used.


If the prisoners don't like mouthy prisoners, think what happens with the guards. You get put in the hole for four days for wisecracking the guards. You decide that you are going to show how macho you are and punch a guard. The whole wing goes on lockdown and TV rights are revoked for the month. Guess who is going to get some "street justice" in the showers next week.

So you end up with cliques of people. The latinos will be with the latinos, orcs with orcs, and humanis will be running the kitchen. You don't want to join a gang and you are alone. No-one will look after you. This is when the more aggressive and stronger individuals will become aggressive. So he puts his hand on your thigh and says your his now. You fight back and suddenly you are going to get some "street justice" in the rec room next week.

You kill someone in prison and your sentence gets longer, you get accused of a crime in prison your sentence gets longer.

It is not about cyberware or skills, it's about who you know and how you are going to protect your back.

????? What did you do to be sent there?

Ok chummers, here I go with my 0.02 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nuyen.gif) :
I don't think that corps run many prisons. Deteining a someone for a short term while waiting for the sentence is a thing (included in a fat contract for citywide law enforcement for the matter), running a prison with several K prisoners to feed and keep in check is another (not cost efficient); corps exist for profit, they go after the big money first and the scraps later, and they try to avoid this kind of moneydrain like a plague if possible.
If I well remember in the Lone Star sourcebook it was stated that most of prisons are left to federal govern to run, and those that are run by corps (probably also a few federal too) are slave camps in which prisoners are forced to work for free or (ab)used in other ways (as "vuluntires" for experiment, "star" of some reality show, I think there has been a prison in which the manager of the facility forced prisoniers to play some bloodsport and tryed to sell the feeds to media networs); the stuff nightmares are made off (in addition to the inmate violence).
The Lone Star sourcebook descripts the penal system quite a bit before the crash, some of those things are outdated but I think it's for most part relevant.
If you want a less bleak enviroment you can have federal prisons run with security forces provided by corporate contractors (for a price) in which things are bad (overpopulation and releted problems) but not terrible, minimum human rights are accorded to prisoniers and living conditions are kept from becoming unbearable (barely), the prisoniers probably won't be asked to work (drones form the backbone for gruntwork and desperates for work are numerous) but the option might be given (for PR reasons: we reduce criminality teaching them how to earn a living honestly), they will even be payed (as before for PR, the pay will also be LOW). The prison will go heavy with simsense in an attempt to keep peoples to vent out on each other (the corp that provides the security probably put some mental conditioning in) and if you can watch your back you can go trough relatively intact (also you could learn some tricks, it stands a reason if prison is called "the school" in the shadows).
The corp could also reduce the population by allowing the prisoners to sign "reabilitation contracts" (so many peoples all at once, willing to do just about any job for almost free, the corp just have to chose what she needs them for), this contracts could be just a cover for taking guineas pig, could be recruiting cannon fodder for Desert Wars (the two things could be combined) or some other bloody show (Azzies bloodsports, or sacrifices), or maybe they look for specific talents (keep tissue samples and you are covered better than with a kink bomb). This would allow the corp to tap in the metahuman potential of the prison.
Naturaly accitents tend to happen (especialy if the bloodtype is required), and when someone buyes the farm the body must be disposed to safeguard the igenical conditions of the facility.
Emerged are kept in a no signal zone while awekened are probably kept undergruond in havily warded facilities with patroling spirits, the most talented are kept busy with magical research, other are assigned to enchanting, if the corp trustes them enough (ritual samples, remember?) can let them out to help other activities. Naturaly mental conditioning will be attempted but won't be much to avoid ruining the talent (unless the subject is source of problems), the magitian may not be able to remember to have signed, or could find his sentence extended, or if he realy can't even lay low avoiding giving problems he will be druged with deepweed and exosed to FAB III until he burnes out.

[Spike]

I can't speak to what other Shadowrun books have put out, but I can correct one misapprehension: Prisons are a big business, even today.

Right now we can say that it costs roughly 50k to house a prisoner for one year in lockup. So, a contract to a private business to house x number of prisoners at a fee of 50k a head is reasonable, if keeping the margin on profitablity exceedingly narrow. Now, the more prisoners in one facility, the lower the cost per prisoner, though we work from the average cost.

So, if the business can find a way to get costs down to to say 40k a head, and they do this for 1000 prisoners, they can add roughly 10 million dollars a year in profit from that facility alone.

So, in a excessively profit driven future, it behooves a corporation wishing to make money from prisons on contract from teh Fed to reduce costs per prisoner as much as possible. Of course, since their profits are also driven by number of prisoners housed they have to keep them alive and incarcerated. While work programs can be a source for some minor profits for the prison system, the cost/benefit ratio may not work out, particularly for the type of prisoners we are talking about here. Access to tools and raw materials means access to potential weapons to kill one another with. Access to the outside for labor projects means potential escapes and raises administrative costs (and cost per prisoner) while simultaniously increasing likelihood of escapes (and thus a hit to their contract renegotiations...).

So if my postulated Port Orchard Pit Penitentary were online and had a record of 0 breakouts, no reported riots (supressed in the early stages with narcoject gas, or what have you) and a lower fatality rate than competitors prisons, then the management is virutally garaunteed to retain the contract over an unproven competetor, or a proven one who can't match that record. If costs per prisoner are low enough, that further gives wiggle room on renegotations if a competitor manages to put up a strong counter-offer, the management can afford to lower their bid enough to keep their contract while still remaining extremely lucrative... though of course they'd rather hire shadowrunners to make sure it didn't come to that!

Of course, we haven't touched on how Magically active prisoners are handled yet, but I think most of us could agree such prisoners would be viewed as a more valuable asset elsewhere, rather than as highly problematic prisoners. Given the math involved, I'm sure the corp in question, if possible, would continue to count the person as a prisoner for headcounts, even if the individual was roaming free doing whatever for the corp elsewhere... maybe with a rfid tag tracker implanted under their skin.

[Muspellsheimr]

You can leave out the gangrape in the shower's, I don't run that kind of game (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

It isn't a gang if there's only one. It isn't rape if they are willing. Just be sure Bubba the Love Troll is capable of casting Influence (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ork.gif)

On topic, depending on location/control, I would probably run it as a modern-day correctional facility or a PoW prison/interrogation camp. As I only have a general idea of what those are like, I suggest research.

[Fortune]

I disagree. First, a SINless who is assigned a Criminal SIN is different from a SINner who is amended to have a Criminal SIN.

Please provide canon evidence of this. As far as I am concerned, a Criminal SIN is a Criminal SIN. I am not aware of any canon statements that differentiate between former SINners and former SINless when it comes to how they are treated after being convicted.

I basically disagree with pretty much all of your post.