The Hollywood Correctional Facility, Prison in the Shadows Options

[mrlost]

I've been prepping a prison break scenario for a few days now in the vein of Escape from New York with some modifications. Basically the prison would be in a special economic zone where labor laws have been put on hold, and the prisoners have the choice to either work or starve. If they choose to work they are put to work in Corp run factories in the prison, skilled labor requires them to be chipped (which requires that they pay for the operation either with saved Corp credit, or private funds) but offers better pay and thus better living conditions in the complex.

The unemployed prisoners eke out an existence in the ruins of a bombed out city on the edge of the factory complex, there are few sources of carbohydrates or protein besides that provided (stolen or traded) by the workers, leading to the establishment of a micro economy built on prostitution and cannibalism. Gangs of prisoners have turned to organized cannibalism to survive, while others kidnap their fellows to sell them to Corporate organleggers and Benraku recruiters.

The special economic zone is located on an island patrolled in large part by flying and submersible drones. I was going to use Big Willie from Runner Havens (the prison south of Hamburg).

Hopeful some of that may help you.

[Chrysalis]

????? What did you do to be sent there?

I was teaching Finnish in Minnesota and a student accused me of sexual misconduct with a minor. After the second day I figured out this was not a joke.

It was a new jail and I spent four days there. I mostly read Ian Fleming and Dick Francis.

I got out with a misdemeanor and a fine of 150 dollars in late August. i have to thank a certain game's shop owner for having me sleep in his back room for the time.

Never going back to the U.S. without really, really important reasons.

It did make me look a lot into American prisons. I think the jist which I found is that American prisons are meant to punish. Prisoners are "bad guys", because of this confrontational approach there is a high potential of violent confrontations between prisoners and guards. In women's prisons abuse by prison guards is actually quite common. I found that the more south you go, the higher the problems and the more strong the shift from rehabilitation to punishment.

Rehabilitation is quite uncommon. Iowa and Utah are one of the few states in the U.S. which offers limited college programmes. Very few prisons in the U.S. offer high-school education. Only 1-5% of the prison population have Master's or degrees in higher education.

Work in prison is also become less common as population grows.

Prisons are really big business, have a look at: Corrections Corporation of America.

I don't really need to think of prison as evil, or Shadowrun since reading through reports it's easy.

You want hell. Arizona has one prison which involves army surplus tents. Food is airlifted in twice a week. Prisoners are expected to monitor themselves. There is a minefield around the perimeter and is monitored by guards with SUVs and automatic weapons.

Now in 2070 you are a SINNER and you are a second class citizen. Habeas Corpus has been suspended in UCAS and every prison is just a blackbox where stuff happens. No appeals processes. Think of black ops prisons of the CIA but run on the federal level.

[Fortune]

I think the jist which I found is that American prisons are meant to punish.

I think it's a bit unfair to call out American prisons on this. I don't really see many European prisons being much different, especially in England and France.

[Shadow]

I was teaching Finnish in Minnesota and a student accused me of sexual misconduct with a minor.

Never, ever, put yourself in a position where a woman (of any age) can cry rape. In any country. It is the one thing you can pretty much garentee that will get you screwed (and not in the pleseant way). This happened to so many guys when I was in the Army. A girl didn't get the promotion she wanted, "the Seargent touched me" next day, bam promotion. Always have another teacher in the room with you, never be alone with a girl (of any age) unless you are 100% sure they arn't going to turn around and cry wolf. Some advce from one victim to another. Luckily I didn't have to go to jail, but it put a hurten on my Army career.

[Chrysalis]

Yeah we were supposed to have training on what is appropriate behaviour, we never did.

Anyways, it was an experience. Not a nice one, but it has made me leery. Last year I was doing my teaching degree and I asked about sexual misconduct from our principle and he remembered in the 15 years he has been principal of two cases. It also showed in its lack during our teacher training.

It's also a major cultural difference between Finland and some other countries, such as the U.S. I know that we will have it land in Finland in the next ten years, but at the moment it hasn't... *knock on wood*.

Anyways this a major redirection of the topic of what prison would be like in 2070.

[AllTheNothing]

I was teaching Finnish in Minnesota and a student accused me of sexual misconduct with a minor. After the second day I figured out this was not a joke.

It was a new jail and I spent four days there. I mostly read Ian Fleming and Dick Francis.

I got out with a misdemeanor and a fine of 150 dollars in late August. i have to thank a certain game's shop owner for having me sleep in his back room for the time.

Never going back to the U.S. without really, really important reasons.

It did make me look a lot into American prisons. I think the jist which I found is that American prisons are meant to punish. Prisoners are "bad guys", because of this confrontational approach there is a high potential of violent confrontations between prisoners and guards. In women's prisons abuse by prison guards is actually quite common. I found that the more south you go, the higher the problems and the more strong the shift from rehabilitation to punishment.

Rehabilitation is quite uncommon. Iowa and Utah are one of the few states in the U.S. which offers limited college programmes. Very few prisons in the U.S. offer high-school education. Only 1-5% of the prison population have Master's or degrees in higher education.

Work in prison is also become less common as population grows.

Prisons are really big business, have a look at: Corrections Corporation of America.

I don't really need to think of prison as evil, or Shadowrun since reading through reports it's easy.

You want hell. Arizona has one prison which involves army surplus tents. Food is airlifted in twice a week. Prisoners are expected to monitor themselves. There is a minefield around the perimeter and is monitored by guards with SUVs and automatic weapons.

Now in 2070 you are a SINNER and you are a second class citizen. Habeas Corpus has been suspended in UCAS and every prison is just a blackbox where stuff happens. No appeals processes. Think of black ops prisons of the CIA but run on the federal level.

What had you done to the student? Also what is intended with "sexual misconduct" and what consequences reciving a misdemeanor has?

[Rad]

Could easily have been a case of making-drek-up on the kid's part. Hell, the cops in my town beat a pizza shop owner in his own home and then charged him with resiting arrest after a kid next door called 911 and claimed he saw someone kick the door in. Nevermind the door was locked when they got there and there were pictures of the guy with his family all over the place.

Back on topic, there's a fiction piece at the end of Runner's Companion that describes the inside of a 2070's shadowrun prison. IIRC, it was patrolled by drones programed to scan for key words among the prisoner's conversations, so if you tried to plan a break out or start a riot (or just didn't choose your words carefully enough) you got hit with crowd-control ordinance.

[Matsci]

Could easily have been a case of making-drek-up on the kid's part. Hell, the cops in my town beat a pizza shop owner in his own home and then charged him with resiting arrest after a kid next door called 911 and claimed he saw someone kick the door in. Nevermind the door was locked when they got there and there were pictures of the guy with his family all over the place.

That's cus the cops in this area are racist bastards who will storm the house of an eleven year old kid to arrest him, because he said something that might threaten someone, and his last name sounds Mexican.

Not like I'm speaking from experience or anything.

[Rad]

Well, the pizza shop owner was white...

...when I spent a month in juvie because a woman claimed (lied) that I assaulted her (she actually attacked me, then called the cops, I did nothing), that might have had something to do with my hispanic surname.

Or, y'know, my history of violence and mental problems. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[SamVDW]

- There would have to be items to prevent magic; like a focus bound to mages that makes them unable to cast.
- There would have to be items to disable cyberware; like some sort of electronic item that blocks their use.
- Guards will be armed with less-lethal when near prisoners, and lethal away from prisoners (like on walls or in towers).
- Drones and magical spirits would patrol inside the prison and the perimeter.
- Bio-enhanced dogs (or critters) would be available for searches.
- Response teams that are highly armed and armored would be available within several minutes.
- Overall prisoner rights in 2070 or later would be lessened, especially at a corporate prison.
- Podular housing units would group inmates up according to classification.
- Lots of things would probably be automated, such as food service, laundry, etc.
- Daily formal counts of the entire facility population (2-3 times per day)

The list could go on... lots of really good ideas in this thread. Also, lots of directions you could go with it.

[SamVDW]

I was teaching Finnish in Minnesota and a student accused me of sexual misconduct with a minor. After the second day I figured out this was not a joke.

It was a new jail and I spent four days there. I mostly read Ian Fleming and Dick Francis.

I got out with a misdemeanor and a fine of 150 dollars in late August. i have to thank a certain game's shop owner for having me sleep in his back room for the time.

Never going back to the U.S. without really, really important reasons.

It did make me look a lot into American prisons. I think the jist which I found is that American prisons are meant to punish. Prisoners are "bad guys", because of this confrontational approach there is a high potential of violent confrontations between prisoners and guards. In women's prisons abuse by prison guards is actually quite common. I found that the more south you go, the higher the problems and the more strong the shift from rehabilitation to punishment.

Rehabilitation is quite uncommon. Iowa and Utah are one of the few states in the U.S. which offers limited college programmes. Very few prisons in the U.S. offer high-school education. Only 1-5% of the prison population have Master's or degrees in higher education.

Work in prison is also become less common as population grows.

Prisons are really big business, have a look at: Corrections Corporation of America.

I don't really need to think of prison as evil, or Shadowrun since reading through reports it's easy.

You want hell. Arizona has one prison which involves army surplus tents. Food is airlifted in twice a week. Prisoners are expected to monitor themselves. There is a minefield around the perimeter and is monitored by guards with SUVs and automatic weapons.

Now in 2070 you are a SINNER and you are a second class citizen. Habeas Corpus has been suspended in UCAS and every prison is just a blackbox where stuff happens. No appeals processes. Think of black ops prisons of the CIA but run on the federal level.

There is a huge difference between jail and prison. Ask any convict.

[AllTheNothing]

Well, the pizza shop owner was white...

...when I spent a month in juvie because a woman claimed (lied) that I assaulted her (she actually attacked me, then called the cops, I did nothing), that might have had something to do with my hispanic surname.

Or, y'know, my history of violence and mental problems. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

And what did the woman want?

[Rad]

I was in a receiving home at the time, she worked there. I was running on the treadmill when I got a call from a family member, and went to take the call with the plastic key that starts the treadmill still around my wrist.

She came up and started demanding that I give her the key to the treadmill, since I wasn't using it at that instant, and then tried to rip it off my arm. I put down the phone, stood up, and she ran into the staff room and called the cops. Told 'em I broke a chair and attacked her.

Apparently I can be pretty imposing when I stand up.

[AllTheNothing]

I was in a receiving home at the time, she worked there. I was running on the treadmill when I got a call from a family member, and went to take the call with the plastic key that starts the treadmill still around my wrist.

She came up and started demanding that I give her the key to the treadmill, since I wasn't using it at that instant, and then tried to rip it off my arm. I put down the phone, stood up, and she ran into the staff room and called the cops. Told 'em I broke a chair and attacked her.

Apparently I can be pretty imposing when I stand up.

Didn't the cops notice that there was no broken chairs? Or she hadn't a single scratch on her?
Unless you did something to her (in which way did you stand up?).
Also isn't accusing someone to have committed a crime he hasn't committed a crime in it's own? Why didn't you sue her?

P.S.
Stupid question from a non-english lenguage native, what's a treadmill?

[Rad]

Didn't the cops notice that there was no broken chairs?

I guess not. I went to my room after the incident, stayed there until the cops showed up, told me she had placed me under citizen's arrest for assaulting her (Don't you have to actually inform the person when you do that?) I incredulously asked if there was something they could do to override that, as I hadn't done anything and thought citizens arrest was a joke from TV. The officer said no and carted me off to juvenile hall. What they did or didn't bother to investigate on their way up is unknown to me.

Or she hadn't a single scratch on her?

See above.

Unless you did something to her (in which way did you stand up?).

Quickly, angrily, that's about it. No physical contact after she stopped trying to rip the plastic key off my wrist.

Also isn't accusing someone to have committed a crime he hasn't committed a crime in it's own?

I think so, not sure, actually. Also not sure whether false arrest counts for citizen's arrest cases.

Why didn't you sue her?

That requires lawyers, which requires money. You can't sue anybody when you're a penniless 16 year-old ward of the state.

Matter of fact, if you actually want a trial by jury, the party that requests it has to pay for it in most cases. I hear some town recently suspended jury trials to cut costs due to the bad economy.

Think you still get jury trials for big things like murder cases, not sure though. My case never actually went to trial. I spent about a month in there waiting for it to come up, then she grew a conscience (or realized she couldn't prove it) and dropped the charges.

P.S.
Stupid question from a non-english lenguage native, what's a treadmill?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treadmill

[AllTheNothing]

Did she at least apologyze with you, a month locked up is going to be irksome, espcialy if innocent.

[Grinder]

So I am about to start a new campaign here in the forsaken wasteland that is Boise Idaho (at least when it comes to gaming) and I am creating a campaign that will see the PC's in prison about three sessions in. I would like it to be brief, maybe two sessions. Other than the obvious resource of prison movies, what do you guys think prison is like in 2070? What is your view on it? You can leave out the gangrape in the shower's, I don't run that kind of game (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I recommend State of the Art: 2064 which has a whole chapter dealing with prisons. Even though it's about pre-Crash 2.0 most of the information is still useful for your campaign, I'd say.

[Chrysalis]

What had you done to the student? Also what is intended with "sexual misconduct" and what consequences reciving a misdemeanor has?

I put my arm around the student. She felt uncomfortable I apologised and I did not think anything of it afterwards. I am informed by our supervisor Sunday night that she felt really uncomfortable and I asked if we could talk about it and see if we could come to a resolution. She refused. The next day I get called in by the person who runs the camp.

I spend the day in the staff building as they sort out the storm going on. I am arrested and picked up by Bemidji officers that afternoon and escorted to prison. It was Monday and the first they do is get me to cancel my flight (very considerate of them) and phoned my mother. I spend the next four days in with the less criminally minded. Most had been picked up for disorderly conduct or similar charges. We had one trucker who was pulled over on being under cocaine.

After being released I spent most of my time worrying on whether I was going to state prison or not. While my uncle had arranged a lawyer I had not really been appraised of what would happen. A misdemeanor in my case was a disorderly conduct charge (which I felt to be just).

The crux actually felt that it would have demanded that the family become involved in the case so that it would have actually turned into a grand jury case. That did not happen and it was settled out of court to the satisfaction of both my defence and the prosecutor.

A felony would involve me being banned from holding a position which would involve contact with a minor and a possible registration in the sex offenders registry. It also has a 15-20 year prison sentence attached.

What ate me up was the not-knowing. If I was off to prison I could readjust myself to that goal, but I did not know.

The problem in the public's eye with sexual harrassment or misconduct is that you have to prove you did not do it. It's a similar situation as proving that a chocobo does not exist.

The whole thing cost me about 4000 dollars in total, and during the Fall of 2007, I had to work many jobs to pay back my uncle, my brother, and still have enough money to survive on. It all worked out in the end, but has made me leery about the whole thing, child shy as well.

I think a great benefit from it was that I had to face some of my own demons. My dad sexually molested my younger brother. He has never been charged with it. My brother and mother refuses to admit it (denial being very powerful forces), and my dad at the moment is living somewhere in Alberta far away from Finland. My dad, I do style as a sexual predator who uses his position of authority to take on a dominating role with impressionable young men. I saw him for a day in 2003 and I was just paralyzed and overwhelmed. He was so much more shorter than I remembered, and while I could see he could operate in society I just him as being a narcissist and insane.

During my childhood what I remember of my father is that of him being psychologically and at times physically abusive. I felt that the whole family for him was simply a ruse to hide his homosexuality, and the rest of the family some of its topology. At the time though I felt it to be normal to live in fear and in some ways I still feel that abuse inside a family is normal.

My nightmare was not the charge in the summer of 2007, but looking in the mirror and seeing my father staring back at me. And being hit with years of guilt and self-hatred after bottling it all up for so many years.

So yeah, life sucks. And you ask a question and expect the tourist answer, I think you have been seriously disappointed.

[ornot]

Back on a lighter note more pertinent to the OP; I'm in favour of JonathanC's suggestion.

Prison is big business, but if Corps are keen to avoid being associated with criminal or unethical activity, they aren't going to want 207x Amnesty International or various civil rights groups publicising inhumane practices.

My biggest problem with Spike's Pit System is that there is no way to single out inmates for punishment, hence there is no way to prevent stronger or more influential inmates from controlling others' access to shelter, food and medical care. Consequently The Pit fails in its goal to limit inmate death or murder.

I also think the distinction between the formerly SINless and criminal SINners is erroneous. Once a person has been registered, they are a legitimate citizen, albeit one with a black mark. The fact that they officially exist means they must be kept track of, even during incarceration, and upon release.

[AllTheNothing]

I put my arm around the student. She felt uncomfortable I apologised and I did not think anything of it afterwards. I am informed by our supervisor Sunday night that she felt really uncomfortable and I asked if we could talk about it and see if we could come to a resolution. She refused. The next day I get called in by the person who runs the camp.

I spend the day in the staff building as they sort out the storm going on. I am arrested and picked up by Bemidji officers that afternoon and escorted to prison. It was Monday and the first they do is get me to cancel my flight (very considerate of them) and phoned my mother. I spend the next four days in with the less criminally minded. Most had been picked up for disorderly conduct or similar charges. We had one trucker who was pulled over on being under cocaine.

After being released I spent most of my time worrying on whether I was going to state prison or not. While my uncle had arranged a lawyer I had not really been appraised of what would happen. A misdemeanor in my case was a disorderly conduct charge (which I felt to be just).

The crux actually felt that it would have demanded that the family become involved in the case so that it would have actually turned into a grand jury case. That did not happen and it was settled out of court to the satisfaction of both my defence and the prosecutor.

A felony would involve me being banned from holding a position which would involve contact with a minor and a possible registration in the sex offenders registry. It also has a 15-20 year prison sentence attached.

What ate me up was the not-knowing. If I was off to prison I could readjust myself to that goal, but I did not know.

The problem in the public's eye with sexual harrassment or misconduct is that you have to prove you did not do it. It's a similar situation as proving that a chocobo does not exist.

The whole thing cost me about 4000 dollars in total, and during the Fall of 2007, I had to work many jobs to pay back my uncle, my brother, and still have enough money to survive on. It all worked out in the end, but has made me leery about the whole thing, child shy as well.

I think a great benefit from it was that I had to face some of my own demons. My dad sexually molested my younger brother. He has never been charged with it. My brother and mother refuses to admit it (denial being very powerful forces), and my dad at the moment is living somewhere in Alberta far away from Finland. My dad, I do style as a sexual predator who uses his position of authority to take on a dominating role with impressionable young men. I saw him for a day in 2003 and I was just paralyzed and overwhelmed. He was so much more shorter than I remembered, and while I could see he could operate in society I just him as being a narcissist and insane.

During my childhood what I remember of my father is that of him being psychologically and at times physically abusive. I felt that the whole family for him was simply a ruse to hide his homosexuality, and the rest of the family some of its topology. At the time though I felt it to be normal to live in fear and in some ways I still feel that abuse inside a family is normal.

My nightmare was not the charge in the summer of 2007, but looking in the mirror and seeing my father staring back at me. And being hit with years of guilt and self-hatred after bottling it all up for so many years.

So yeah, life sucks. And you ask a question and expect the tourist answer, I think you have been seriously disappointed.

Chrysalis, I apologize for my question has turned out to be inopportune.
You have my simpaty for what you have been trough and it makes me sad to hear of the problem your father have given you ............. I have no words to express what I feel so I'll just shut up, I just hope in a better future for you; not much that I can do or say.

In bocca al lupo.

[wanderer_king]

A good source for ideas might be the Fortress films:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortress_(1993_film)#See_also
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortress_2:_Re-Entry