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[Tyro]

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Sorry, I guess I just don't see some things as worth getting all angry over.

You have the right to stating your opinion, and I to stating mine. The quote in question refers to censorship; I am not trying to have your comment removed, merely bringing to your attention that it offends me and is potentially emotionally harmful to some people.

[Critias]

You have the right to stating your opinion, and I to stating mine. The quote in question refers to censorship; I am not trying to have your comment removed, merely bringing to your attention that it offends me and is potentially emotionally harmful to some people.

I know, I know. Hence the smiley making light of the quote, it was a joke.

Anyways -- have a good one. I can understand your irritation, but I think there are some insults that can be let slide in the heat of the moment and in the spirit of the jest. I'm certainly not going to tell you you're not allowed to be offended, I just think it's a little misplaced and might be an unnecessary buzzkill, in this case, that maybe could've been handled a little better via PM or something. Have a safe and Happy New Years, and I'll just shush and let people get back to number-crunching Orky awesomeness.

[Heath Robinson]

I read it as the originator saying that they were joyful people. I believe it's actually some old quote from literature.

[Whipstitch]

Is it odd that about the only Ingentis characters I play are non-combatants?

p.s. (insert whatever geek code translates as "Orks rock!" here)

Nah, not really. Being able to hit 4-6 body 3-5 strength while barely denting the 200 bp chargen attribute cap is a beautiful thing and it easily allows you to grab 4 logic/charisma/whatever while still being above average in virtually all areas. Bottom line is, any build benefits from hitting certain bare minimum physical dicepools, because frankly, shit happens in shadowrun. Your teammates and contacts can do a lot of tough tasks for you in shadowrun, be it repair tests, data searches or tracking down that hot piece of merchandise for you. But if a ganger shoots you with his Predator, it really doesn't matter how much body armor the troll sammy manages to strap on every morning; you're still just wearing a leather jacket. Likewise, if you're running on foot from a pack of ghouls, suddenly your 2 strength doesn't look so hot anymore. And Dunkelzahn help you if it turns out your scrawny ass needs to quickly climb a chain fence to get away.

[Tyro]

I know, I know. Hence the smiley making light of the quote, it was a joke.

Anyways -- have a good one. I can understand your irritation, but I think there are some insults that can be let slide in the heat of the moment and in the spirit of the jest. I'm certainly not going to tell you you're not allowed to be offended, I just think it's a little misplaced and might be an unnecessary buzzkill, in this case, that maybe could've been handled a little better via PM or something. Have a safe and Happy New Years, and I'll just shush and let people get back to number-crunching Orky awesomeness.

I see your point; I didn't really think of handling it by PM. It's something of a pet issue for me, and I try to raise awareness when I can. I'm sorry I took your criticism of my quote so seriously; I have Asperger's Syndrome, a disorder similar to high-functioning autism, which makes it difficult for me to notice subtlety at times.

[hosh]

The quote is from a biography about Voltaire if it helps. He never actually said it but it was supposed to sum up his whole view on peoples right to state their opinions.

[Cang]

*cough* ork ork ork ork ork! *cough*

[toturi]

Maybe, just maybe, players not playing orcs has to do with them wanting to play something else? No, that's entirely too far fetched, it must be in the numbers somewhere ...

It is in the numbers. Just perhaps most people are ignoring them to see what they want to see.

[HentaiZonga]

It's not the Elf slur that bothers me, it's the slur on homosexuality. Whether or not you meant it with malice - and I will admit it appears you did not - I do not believe that sort of thing has any place in a civilized forum. It may seem harmless, but equating "gay" with "lame" or some other negative makes it seem all right to think of actual gay people that way.

No, man, it's cool. I think we need to embrace "gay" as "effeminete, weird, and inappropriate" - but in exchange, we need to start using "hetero" as a slang term to mean "boring, predictable, and typical in a frustrating way". So we can start saying things like "man, waiting in line at the DMV was so fucking hetero". Or "man, that was such a hetero cop that pulled us over."

Spread the word.

[hermit]

They want to play augmented ghouls, because the numbers are even better? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

No. Troll(Formorian) Drake Formoriags with the human looking edge. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

It is in the numbers. Just perhaps most people are ignoring them to see what they want to see.

Yeah, the numbers never lie ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/spin.gif) ... as do dice.

[Cang]

I think some people just dont want to be "ugly". i mean even though i think SR orcs look really cool and not ugly at all, you still get that "eewww" factor. I mean just look at a cancer causing game like World of Warcraft. I would say 75 percent of people go play Alliance because they have cute gnomes and humans and elves. But the people who seem more fun and interesting (my view) play the horde. I mean they had to put pretty elves on the horde side just so they can even out the teams. Good grief. I never understood playing something you are (human) or playing something because its cute (and guys do that too, even though they wont admit it).

[hermit]

i mean even though i think SR orcs look really cool and not ugly at all, you still get that "eewww" factor.

Some people may just be interested in other races because those offer interesting character hooks orcs don't. Or no. That'd be heresy ...

I mean just look at a cancer causing game like World of Warcraft. I would say 75 percent of people go play Alliance because they have cute gnomes and humans and elves. But the people who seem more fun and interesting (my view) play the horde. I mean they had to put pretty elves on the horde side just so they can even out the teams. Good grief. I never understood playing something you are (human) or playing something because its cute (and guys do that too, even though they wont admit it).

That's a game where the avatar's look is everything and social interaction between characters often makes 4chan look civilised. In SR, every race has it's appeal, and usually each races has something in which they are better than others (except for trolls, which have been upgraded more and more throughout the editions).

[Tyro]

The quote is from a biography about Voltaire if it helps. He never actually said it but it was supposed to sum up his whole view on peoples right to state their opinions.

It's nice to see I'm not the only person who knows that quote isn't directly Voltaire's. As you said, it's from Friends of Voltaire, his official biography, and summarizes his beliefs on the matter based on letters and such he wrote.

[Tyro]

Some people may just be interested in other races because those offer interesting character hooks orcs don't. Or no. That'd be heresy ...


That's a game where the avatar's look is everything and social interaction between characters often makes 4chan look civilised. In SR, every race has it's appeal, and usually each races has something in which they are better than others (except for trolls, which have been upgraded more and more throughout the editions).

I don't like trolls because of their Agility hit. Trolls are made for combat, and every type of combat build needs agility.

[ElFenrir]

Is it odd that about the only Ingentis characters I play are non-combatants?

p.s. (insert whatever geek code translates as "Orks rock!" here)

Not odd at all. 95% of my Ingentis/Robustus characters are, indeed, more non-combat oriented. I mean, the stats are all there, indeed.

But yeah, the Troll hit to agility. I mean, if you want to REALLY crunch it down, a troll sam can have a 5(7) strength and be just dandy, and you could afford to take +1 Agility boosting bio-treatments for 45k/9 BP, and boost Agility up and get rid of that pesky drawback, while still having enough Strength to get your +1 recoil and do decent melee damage, as well as getting mad body. But oh yeah, it's more difficult than for an ork, who can get a 5(7) strength for 20 BP, and not need Agility-boosting ware to get the high Agility. They lose 1 reach, but so what. Yeah, I mean, with all the talk of trolls being overpowered, my money's on the ork.

As for orks being ugly...well, Minor Biosculpting and Human Looking will turn your ork into Mr. Chippendale. With better stats. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I still think Dwarves also come out pretty sweet in their BP to good-stuff ratio. Lower Reaction, yah, but it's a rather small price to pay, and they can still dodge perfectly well with a 4(something), since, in my experience, it's rare that I see even a human or ork combative character with higher than a 4(something) reaction.

Orks, yeah, manage to come out on top.

[Metapunk]

I am new to the game, and mostly being my groups GM, BUT not really thinking of the numbers, I like the "new" idea of an ork, and I would really like playing an ork char:)