 Mnemonic Enhancer update/errata, so how much did you get karma discount? |
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  Jan 4 2004, 09:23 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 119 Joined: 15-February 03 From: Europe, Finland, Turku & Åbo Member No.: 4,101  |
does this mean that if character has got 3 lvls of Mnemonic Enhancer he gets only one reduced from karma cost instead of the boo kentry that you get reduction to the karma cost equal to Mnemonic Enhancers lvl?
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Jan 4 2004, 09:37 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,222 Joined: 11-October 02 From: Netherlands and Belgium Member No.: 3,437 |
That's exactly what it means. Lvl 3 is still only 1 karma redux.
Sphynx |
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Jan 4 2004, 09:39 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 40 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Pueblo Corporate Council Member No.: 1,644 |
Yup.
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Jan 4 2004, 09:58 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 608 Joined: 9-July 02 From: California Member No.: 2,955 |
The shift key is your friend.
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Jan 4 2004, 11:02 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 119 Joined: 15-February 03 From: Europe, Finland, Turku & Åbo Member No.: 4,101 |
awwwn.
well you cant get all... |
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Jan 4 2004, 11:15 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
the shift key is the devil.
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Jan 5 2004, 12:17 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 119 Joined: 15-February 03 From: Europe, Finland, Turku & Åbo Member No.: 4,101 |
actually the shift key is just a shift key.
you ppl should consult doctor before eating those pills... |
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Jan 5 2004, 01:05 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
The CAPSLOCK key is the devil. Shift is your friend. Option talks to me at nights, and alt touched me in bad places when I was young.
~J |
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Jan 5 2004, 01:15 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
So you're saying it had alterior motives? :D
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Jan 5 2004, 01:16 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Yes indeed, but all that stopped after I took Control.
~J |
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Jan 5 2004, 01:29 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 119 Joined: 15-February 03 From: Europe, Finland, Turku & Åbo Member No.: 4,101 |
you realy should try group fun with Control Alt and Delete
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Jan 5 2004, 02:18 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
What if you're turned off by that kind of orgy?
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Jan 5 2004, 02:19 AM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
Ahhh, Delete is soooo delectable! |
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Jan 5 2004, 06:08 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 606 Joined: 17-December 03 Member No.: 5,909 |
you people need help.
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Jan 5 2004, 06:11 AM
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Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715 |
Your point? |
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Jan 5 2004, 11:04 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 119 Joined: 15-February 03 From: Europe, Finland, Turku & Åbo Member No.: 4,101 |
he's got none. he has not lost his Window of his Escape.
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Jan 5 2004, 04:25 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 266 Joined: 16-April 02 From: DC Member No.: 2,605 |
14 posts completely off the topic. That's gotta be close to a record. As much as everyone complained about the Mnemonic Enhancer being broken, the errata is a step in the right direction...but hasn't totally fixed the problem. Now all the versions reduce the karma cost for improving skills by one. Now the level one version will be standard issue for every character out there. I don't think the decreased karma cost should come into play until at least level two if not level three. Just my 0.2 :nuyen:
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Jan 5 2004, 05:59 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 119 Joined: 15-February 03 From: Europe, Finland, Turku & Åbo Member No.: 4,101 |
14 posts completely off the topic.?
rrright. the second post answered my Q. thanks for Sphynx. all the extra is nice paska jauhantaa (bullshit talking, translation suffers) |
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Jan 5 2004, 06:19 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 58 Joined: 1-January 04 Member No.: 5,947 |
It would have made a lot more sense for the Mnemonic Enhancer to simply count as bonus successes for purposes of determining how long it takes to learn or improve a skill and to lower the target number for the learning test. For instance, improving an Active Skill from 5 to 6 (assuming a linked Attribute of 6) normally takes 63 days and a Skill Test (12), with each success dividing that base time. With a Mnemonic Enhancer 3, it would be a Skill Test (9) and three automatic successes as long as he gains at least one on his own. He still has to pay the same amount of Karma (9 points), but his chances of success are higher and it will take him a max of 16 days to do it.
That in and of itself is a pretty good reason to take the implant. It's assuming GMs use and inforce the said rules, of course, which few seem to do. But at least it makes a lot more sense for it to increase the success and speed up learning time than Karma reduction does. Besides, the coolest thing about Mnemonic Enhancers are the Language and Knowledge Skill bonuses. |
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Feb 1 2004, 12:27 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 75 Joined: 24-August 02 Member No.: 3,168 |
Coolest thing is the karma reduction.
I've changed it so that a Level 3 Enhancer gives you -1 Karma, wasn't going to change it as it felt I was screwing my players a bit... but then I looked at one of their character sheets and realised that a 200 karma PC had saved in excess of 120 karma points by using a Mnemonic Enhancer 3... makes him greater than 50% more effective in skills terms than he should be. Ridiculous! |
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Feb 1 2004, 12:43 AM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
Not ridiculous. Smart.
Look at the geniuses around you. They can pick things up more easily than more stupid people(like me). Better memory allows people to do better, so what's the grip? Or are you just complaining about that ever elusive Game Balance? If you are worried about game balance, I think you might just be doing something wrong in your games. RPGs are supposed to be cooperative. |
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Feb 1 2004, 01:17 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 152 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 2,074 |
I never felt the enhancer was broken - I mean, it wasn't like it was somehow magically unavailable to anyone. My rule of thumb's always been, if the PCs can (theoretically) do it, and the NPCs can (theoretically) do it as well, then there's no real reason why it should be fixed.
Also, Backspace is telling me to kill, which is weird - normally, I receive my orders from Tab. Must be the new Logitech keyboard... |
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Feb 1 2004, 01:35 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 160 Joined: 12-August 03 From: Sulphur, Louisiana Member No.: 5,418 |
Sounds like we need to Insert you into a crazy Home, so they can End your suffering.
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Feb 1 2004, 06:14 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 84 Joined: 15-April 03 From: My own personal purgatory Member No.: 4,453 |
TN for improving a skill is (new level +2) - where do you get 12 from? |
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Feb 1 2004, 07:20 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 114 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 2,137 |
All these bad jokes make me want to ctrl-r Home... or at least alt-f4 my brain to such poor puns. It mind feels num-locked!
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