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> Mnemonic Enhancer update/errata, so how much did you get karma discount?
Luke Hardison
post Feb 1 2004, 07:28 AM
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For instance, improving an Active Skill from 5 to 6 (assuming a linked Attribute of 6) normally takes 63 days and a Skill Test (12), with each success dividing that base time.

TN for improving a skill is (new level +2) - where do you get 12 from?

Don't know what you mean, Bolverk.

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Such training can be made into a short and simple mechanic, such as requiring a Skill Test using the skill to see if it can be learned or improved.  The target number for such a test would be twice the Skill Rating sought.

SR3, p. 245-246, emphasis added

So raising from a 5 to a 6 would definately be a TN of 12.
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post Feb 1 2004, 07:44 AM
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Truly agreed. Using a Mneumonic Enhancer would be a lot closer to its purpose if it reduced difficulty TN of learning improved skills and reducing the time to do so than how much effort is spent on the learning.

Granted, it's currently one of the favorite ways of munchkining a character's power to be greater than ever, but this other suggestion makes a good deal of sense.
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post Feb 1 2004, 04:38 PM
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On a side note, a munchkin-in-training in the game my girlfriend is running (*waves at the Hobbit, if he's reading this*) pointed out that according to the BBB, it never actually states that you have to incrementally improve skills, just that you have to pay an amount based on the desired new skill level. Anyone got any text stating that you can't improve a skill from 1 to 6 for a cost of 9 karma, or is this just something GMs everywhere will have to suppress on their own authority?

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post Feb 1 2004, 07:59 PM
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I have had people argue this point, but A) i squashed it flat, and B) i think there is somewhere some obscure, single line which implies extremely strongly that you're supposed to do it one point at a time.

It might even say so definately.

Its definately in the BBB, but i don't know where...
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post Feb 1 2004, 09:14 PM
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On a side note, a munchkin-in-training in the game my girlfriend is running (*waves at the Hobbit, if he's reading this*) pointed out that according to the BBB, it never actually states that you have to incrementally improve skills, just that you have to pay an amount based on the desired new skill level. Anyone got any text stating that you can't improve a skill from 1 to 6 for a cost of 9 karma, or is this just something GMs everywhere will have to suppress on their own authority?

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Um...hit him with a book for the rest of us, k?

A large book, for preference.

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post Feb 1 2004, 09:33 PM
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I think the BBB states something around the line of "the cost of increasing a skill by one point is given by the table..." (don't have the book in front of me, but I've already saw the issue) implying the cost for increasing a skill by more than one point is nowhere given.
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post Feb 1 2004, 09:37 PM
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also if you could rise skill to more than one point per time, how long would it then take?
because it takes quite much time to get only that ONE point thus geting some skill to X raiting should be calculated by advance of each skill raiting increase.
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post Feb 1 2004, 09:44 PM
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Such training can be made into a short and simple mechanic, such as requiring a Skill Test using the skill to see if it can be learned or improved.  The target number for such a test would be twice the Skill Rating sought.

SR3, p. 245-246, emphasis added

So raising from a 5 to a 6 would definately be a TN of 12.

Hm, I've never noticed that line before.

I was going by p.48 of the Companion, which gives the (new skill +2) TN, but on closer reading, that apparently applies specifically to reducing training time...? This seems odd to me, as I can't recall any other game situation that requires you to roll once to see whether you're successful at something, then roll again to see how long it takes. Am I reading something wrong?

In addition, the Companion rule gives rules for a failure (no successes = 1.5x base time), but I don't see any in the SR3 rule. If I'm rolling against TN 10 to raise a skill from 4 to 5, and I fail, does that mean I can never improve that skill again? If not, how long would I have to wait before I could re-roll it?
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post Feb 2 2004, 12:24 AM
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Toturi, I don't need to look far for that sort of thing... I just look at the people around me and see how much slower they are to pick things up.

However, I have no problem with the mnemonic enhancer speeding learning times up (in fact I still have it reduce karma cost for the purpose of calculating training times at its level) but when it starts to skyrocket some characters ahead of others it really needs looked at.
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post Feb 2 2004, 12:38 AM
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we.. i would brefer the second choice.

why does not the others get it too?
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