OoC Evolution, Out of Character - Epoch, Survival, Revolution Campaigns Options

[Bastard]

Jamie got 10 Karma to spend on Knowledge skills. 9 Karma to spend on anything else. I can bank these. 1 Edge Flaw point to adjust Edges or Flaws.

Knowledge Skill Points
Spend like Karma Points, but do not add to your Karma gained or pool. Must be spent.
10 Kliko, Bubba, Ludi, Felix and Jamie

Your Knowledge Karma cannot be banked. Its my way of forcing you to buy more character developmental skills instead of functional munchkin skills.

Is my understanding correct? Is Cash for Karma in play in this game?

No.

[Bastard]

Blarg. OT today.

Will have IC up tonight.

Notes organized, but I have to make maps in excel still.

Ntwi - I have to send you matrix info if you are going to run that end for galen. I just have base notes, as I hate deckers with a passion.

[Bastard]

Stupid karma dice pool question:
It's 1 dice every 10 points, right?

Yes. Every 10 karma you earn, you put 9 in Good and 1 in Pool. Thus, if you just reached 50 karma you should have 45 Good (spent and unspent) and 5 Pool.

[Bastard]

Quintuple Post!!!!!

I am ready to bump you guys ahead, but...

What are you all doing at the safehouse/motel?

I can make a short post arriving at the location, or someone else can. How are your rooms shared?
Jamie and Ludi, Kliko and Bubba, Corsair and Felix?
Kliko and Ludi, Bubba and Felix, Corsair and Jamie?
Kliko, Felix and Corsair, Jamie and Ludi, Bubba by his stinky self?



Here is what I got so far. Don't forget to include rolls!!!

Ludi
Making calls...
I PMed you the basis of their response. You can put that in an IC post after arrival

Jamie
Scanning the data for bugs, viruses, trackers, infections, gremlins, etc...

Kliko
?

Bubba
AWOL?
Goes scouting the area for a donut shop

Felix
Matrix search for some magical data? I thought you sent me a PM, but I don't see it...

[galenbd]

I can make a short post arriving at the location, or someone else can. How are your rooms shared?

Here is what I got so far. Don't forget to include rolls!!!

Jamie
Scanning the data for bugs, viruses, trackers, infections, gremlins, etc...

I've been hangin' with Corsair this trip. I'd probably be rooming with him.

I want to get a Purge utility to clean the datachip before I download the data to my deck. I assume this is legal software.

Jamie Data Havens : 4,4,1

Search Test
I consider it a Simple Search to find a worm cleaner.
Base TN is 4

Possible Modifiers :
Programming SOTA knowledge skill at 3 -1
Data Haven Contact -2 Depends on GM view of above roll.
Confined to Denver Grid 0

Search roll : 5,4,4,4,2,2

Looks like 4 successes, maybe 6. Base time is 1d6 hour x 2.

When I find it, I'll pay the 900 for Rating 3 as a one shot utility.

[Bastard]

I've been hangin' with Corsair this trip. I'd probably be rooming with him.

I want to get a Purge utility to clean the datachip before I download the data to my deck. I assume this is legal software.

Jamie Data Havens : 4,4,1

Search Test
I consider it a Simple Search to find a worm cleaner.
Base TN is 4

Possible Modifiers :
Programming SOTA knowledge skill at 3 -1
Data Haven Contact -2 Depends on GM view of above roll.
Confined to Denver Grid 0

Search roll : 5,4,4,4,2,2

Looks like 4 successes, maybe 6. Base time is 1d6 hour x 2.

When I find it, I'll pay the 900 for Rating 3 as a one shot utility.

Found a download... takes about 90 minutes to download and install. You can scan the data chip in a few minutes.

[ntwi]

Felix will be looking for a local supplier for materials for a shamanic lodge that he can set up in the garage. (Force 4, availability 4/24hrs, 2,000 SI 1)

The spell formula he is looking for might depend on the exact details of the mission, but the following he'll want to pick up at some point anyways.

[ Spoiler ]

Force 4 Magic Fingers (4/48 hrs, 400 SI 2)
Force 4 Flamethrower (4/7 days, 4,000 SI 2)
Force 5 Control Actions (5/48 hrs, 500 SI 2)
Force 4 Heal (4/7 days, 4,000 SI 2)
Force 3 Oxygenate (3/24 hrs, 150 SI 2)

Picking up all these spell formulas, the lodge materials and the Magicknet account will wipe out most of my cash and my portion of the up front money for this next run, but they are all spells I'd like to have on hand to learn at some point. If they're overpriced I'll leave them for another time though.

Total cost w/o street index markup = 12,050
with SI = 21,100

I only have ~18k on hand right now, so if I purchase all of them, I'll have to use my portion of the 50k upfront to purchase them all.

[Kliko]

Kliko will be roaming around with Bubba picking up takeaway food for the crew. We should be pretty hungry by now (and food is good for morale)

Then take a nap after chow.

He feels tired after a hard days work.

[Bastard]

Felix will be looking for a local supplier for materials for a shamanic lodge that he can set up in the garage. (Force 4, availability 4/24hrs, 2,000 SI 1)

The spell formula he is looking for might depend on the exact details of the mission, but the following he'll want to pick up at some point anyways.

[ Spoiler ]

Force 4 Magic Fingers (4/48 hrs, 400 SI 2)
Force 4 Flamethrower (4/7 days, 4,000 SI 2)
Force 5 Control Actions (5/48 hrs, 500 SI 2)
Force 4 Heal (4/7 days, 4,000 SI 2)
Force 3 Oxygenate (3/24 hrs, 150 SI 2)

Picking up all these spell formulas, the lodge materials and the Magicknet account will wipe out most of my cash and my portion of the up front money for this next run, but they are all spells I'd like to have on hand to learn at some point.

Total cost w/o street index markup = 12,050
with SI = 21,100

I only have ~18k on hand right now, so I'll have to use my portion of the 50k upfront to purchase them all.

Rolls? Please include.

How do you find a local talismonger? Phone book? Through contact? Which one?

[Kliko]

Rolls? Please include.

How do you find a local talismonger? Phone book? Through contact? Which one?

Sounds like an etiquette roll to me.

[Mister Juan]

Rolls? Please include.

How do you find a local talismonger? Phone book? Through contact? Which one?

If you ask nicely, Ludi could hook you up (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[ntwi]

Felix will be looking for a local supplier for materials for a shamanic lodge that he can set up in the garage. (Force 4, availability 4/24hrs, 2,000 SI 1)

The spell formula he is looking for might depend on the exact details of the mission, but the following he'll want to pick up at some point anyways.

[ Spoiler ]

Force 4 Magic Fingers (4/48 hrs, 400 SI 2)
Force 4 Flamethrower (4/7 days, 4,000 SI 2)
Force 4 Heal (4/7 days, 4,000 SI 2)
Force 5 Control Actions (5/48 hrs, 500 SI 2)
Force 3 Oxygenate (3/24 hrs, 150 SI 2)

Picking up all these spell formulas, the lodge materials and the Magicknet account will wipe out most of my cash and my portion of the up front money for this next run, but they are all spells I'd like to have on hand to learn at some point.

Total cost w/o street index markup = 12,050
with SI = 21,100

I only have ~18k on hand right now, so I'll have to use my portion of the 50k upfront to purchase them all.

For the lodge materials Felix was going to find a decently recommended local shop on Magicknet. He would inquire there about the Heal and Oxygenate spells (Force 4 is technically illegal but it's Heal. If they only have Heal at 3 he'll pick that up instead). For the rest he was planning on getting digital formula through Mr Crunch his Talismonger contact back in Cal Free.

Etiquette(Matrix): 2,3,4
Computer(Data Search): Defaulting to INT: 2,2,3,3,4,8

Lodge Materials: 4,4,10

Magic Fingers: 3,5,5
Flamethrower: 2,4,9
Heal: 4,4,4
Control Actions: 1,5,10
Oxygenate: 2,7,14

Negotiations: 1,2,3,4,4,10 To convince the local Talismonger to sell me a Force 4 Heal.

[Bastard]

FELIX
Here are your results for you. You will have to put them in the IC when the time arrives.

READ CAREFULLY. I put the times when your character will be able to take the actions, when things will be available and how you are to obtain them. Please keep these in mind when posting.

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For the lodge materials Felix was going to find a decently recommended local shop on Magicknet. He would inquire there about the Heal and Oxygenate spells (Force 4 is technically illegal but it's Heal. If they only have Heal at 3 he'll pick that up instead).

Etiquette(Matrix): 2,3,4
Computer(Data Search): Defaulting to INT: 2,2,3,3,4,8

Felix finds a couple local businesses, which all have higher prices than he would have expected, though he should have, as everything from gas to coffee has cost more in Denver.

Negotiations: 1,2,3,4,4,10
To convince the local Talismonger to sell me a Force 4 Heal.

When he stops by a local shop the next morninghe is able to negotiate after some time to acquire what he wanted.

[ Spoiler ]

Force 4 Heal (4/7 days, 4,000 SI 2) 4,4,4
Force 5 Control Actions (5/48 hrs, 500 SI 2) 1,5,10

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For the rest he was planning on getting digital formula through Mr Crunch his Talismonger contact back in Cal Free.

ROLL ETIQUETTE AND NEGOTIATIONS!

Lodge Materials: 4,4,10

Magic Fingers: 3,5,5
Flamethrower: 2,4,9
Heal: 4,4,4
Control Actions: 1,5,10
Oxygenate: 2,7,14

What are these rolls? Etiquette? PLEASE SPECIFY.

[ Spoiler ]

Lodge Materials: 4,4,10

Force 4 Magic Fingers (4/48 hrs, 400 SI 2) 3,5,5
Force 4 Flamethrower (4/7 days, 4,000 SI 2) 2,4,9
Force 3 Oxygenate (3/24 hrs, 150 SI 2) 2,7,14

[Bastard]

EVERYONE:

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE

INCLUDE ANY AND ALL ROLLS TO ANY QUESTION OR ACTION YOU TAKE!

EVEN IF YOU THINK IT ISNT NEEDED! IF IT IS NEEDED, IT WILL GREATLY SPEED UP THE PROCESS OF HAVING DONE IT ALREADY INSTEAD OF WAITING FOR ME TO POST THE NEXT DAY "Roll please." AND THEN ANOTHER DAY TO GET YOUR ROLLS, AND THEN ON THE FOURTH DAY I CAN FINALLY RESPOND.

TRY TO ANTICIPATE ME ASKING YOU TO MAKE A ROLL. IF YOU ARE ASKING A CONTACT SOMETHING, AND YOU ALREADY KNOW IF HE HAS THE INFORMATION YOU ARE GOING TO NEGOTIATE THE PRICE, INCLUDE BOTH ROLLS IN THE FIRST POST. THIS WILL GREATLY SPEED UP THE PROCESS.

SPECIFY WHAT YOU ARE ROLLING AND FOR WHY. PROVIDE A ROLL FOR EVERY ACTION.

[Bastard]

I will have an IC post up after everyone's plans are resolved. I dont want one character getting too far ahead of the rest.

It looks like some of you want to spend the up front money already.

Do you want to pool any of it together? Or everyone takes their own share, and everyone buys their own equipment.

This will need to be resolved before Felix can take his actions.

[ntwi]

My apologies, those were the etiquette rolls for each piece of gear.

Rolls for talking with my contact Mr Crunch
Etiquette: 2,5,13
Negotiation: 2,3,4,8,9,21

I had Felix send out feelers on the large number of spell formula due to the vagaries of what we (the players) know (or rather don't know) of the mission. I had thought of it as more of looking around and bargaining a bit with the right not to buy overpriced items. I also wasn't expecting to be able to locate everything, and so hadn't expected to need to spend from the up-front money. If the heal spell is looking to be ~10k, Felix will pass on it as he wasn't planning on spending the 4 karma to learn it now anyways.

[Bastard]

Double Post.

Dumpshock Forums takes -1 Karma

[Bastard]

My apologies, those were the etiquette rolls for each piece of gear.

Rolls for talking with my contact Mr Crunch
Etiquette: 2,5,13
Negotiation: 2,3,4,8,9,21

I had Felix send out feelers on the large number of spell formula due to the vagaries of what we (the players) know (or rather don't know) of the mission. I had thought of it as more of looking around and bargaining a bit with the right not to buy overpriced items. I also wasn't expecting to be able to locate everything, and so hadn't expected to need to spend from the up-front money. If the heal spell is looking to be ~10k, Felix will pass on it as he wasn't planning on spending the 4 karma to learn it now anyways.

I was guessing they were Et... but was not sure.


So... you just want prices?

I am kind of confused. So you are going to call your contact back in CFS? Ask prices to email you the documents for the Magic Fingers, Flamethrower, and Oxygenate? Those will be normal SI price. However, if you want them emailed instead of pickup, anything with questionable legality will cost extra to have it encrypted. Those might take longer than the mission to get, did you want to just order them and pick up upon return to CFS?

Feelers. Your feelers you sent was to a contact outside of the area. Are you looking for him to find you something in Denver?

The Lodge material? Do you need that now? Or pick up in CFS upon your return? Normal SI in CFS, probably a little bit more in Denver, but you can pick up also at local shop.

Heal and Control Actions. You just going to shop around for price in Denver? You found a store that will be open in the morning. Instead of shopping around we will assume you did that with your negotiation roll and search roll, and that will affect the price.

Please be specific. When things are vague, it takes a lot of time for me to clarify over the forum, because it takes days to go back and forth, when a normal conversation would take a minute or two. This is why I ask that rolls are included with any and all actions. Its a lot easier and quicker to include them when they are not needed, then to go back and have to ask for them.

It is very easy to misunderstand over the forum. Please provide the exact information you are searching for. The more vague questions you guys ask me, and actions you take, the higher your target numbers will be in addition to me probably not knowing what you want. If in the IC you are being vague in character, just post in the OoC more specifically so I don't get confused.

[Kliko]

Street-etiquette for getting take-away food:

[ Spoiler ]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/silly.gif) [9, 5, 4, 2] (IMG:style_emoticons/default/silly.gif)

Team members can spend their nuyen from the last run.

The up-front money we received from mr White is going to be used to buy mission specific gear.

-EDIT-
We're going to be needing lots of explosives and some detonators for this job. Kliko wants to obtain this stuff through a variety of sources. Ludmilla's contacts being one. Kliko should be able to track down a friend of a friend merc in Denver from his League "membership" (pirate family edge, he'd ask his merc dealer contact).

[ Spoiler ]

Etiquette (mercenary): [8, 5, 3, 1]

Here is a demolitions roll to determine how much explosives Kliko thinks we be needing to reliably accomplish our primary and secondary goals. He wants to use: 1)commercial explosives, 2)low-grade plastic explosives and 3)arsony (incendiary grenades) on the targets (one method per target).

[ Spoiler ]

Demolitions-test: [11, 5, 5, 1]

Kliko will start working the contacts as from the next day. Also, he wants to relax a little and spend some time in one of those indian casino's they are supposed to have in Denver the next evening.

[ntwi]

Two questions about explosives.

#1: Are we using the straight SR3 rules for them, leaving them seriously underpowered?

Example #1: You have 100kg of Rating 10 plastic explosive that you have placed. This is a large quantity of high grade explosives. It will detonate with a force of (10*(square root 100)D or 100D. However it also drops power at Rating/M, resulting in no effect to someone standing 10.1 meters from the explosion.
In real life, 100kg of plastic explosives detonating 10m away would kill you and mess things up.

#2: Are you planning on buying everything or improvising/stealing explosives for the scenes. A stolen propane truck can be turned into quite the explosion for far less than buying it. On the other hand, ANFO is pretty quick and easy to make, and not too expensive (IRL at least, can't remember about in game)

Now getting a case of Incendiary and White Phosphorus grenades is something I can get behind. Cut off the water supply to the building, place them around the building and it's roof and watch it all burn down.

[ntwi]

double post

[galenbd]

I do have stuff I want to buy. I thought I'd wait until I got the run data cleaned. I didn't want to get too far ahead.

[Mister Juan]

Just to keep everyone updated so we don't stretch our resources too thinly.

Ludi has a few contacts she can use in Denver. She has access to:
-Software (downloads, no hard copy)
-A smuggler who can get our stuff from CFS to Denver, no price yet
-A fixer who can hook us up with a street doc, and could provide extra gear, weapons and explosives (depending on how exotic they are...)
-Two organised crime contacts (one Vory, one Yakuza) who might be able to provide information, gears, weapons, etc...

And those are only contacts Ludi has in Denver. If need be, she has a larger pool she could tap in for things like informations and maybe additional contacts.

Through PMs with Bastard, I've already established a few things (like Ludi meeting with Daze, the fixer) but I haven't really asked for any gear or anything of the sort yet. This is mostly due to the fact I wanted to run things by everyone first.

First things first: safehouse.
Technically, we should be covered for the duration of the run. I don't have a pricetag yet, but we've got a place to stay in the Sioux Sector. Depending on how we plan the 3 runs, we might end up splitting up. We also have a UCAS Sector safehouse for another week, if need be.

Secondly: Gear and Weapons
I think the first big decision we have to make is:
A) Do we buy what we need here in Denver or;
B) Do we get our stuff in CFS and smuggle it into Denver

Option A has the advantage of not having to pay a smuggler, and risk loosing everything if he gets busted. We also know that the Denver market is a lot more expensive, and we don't have as many contacts as we do back home.

Option B might be cheaper (depends on the smuggler's rate) but it will take a bit longer. We could make a big list of what we need, have someone flight / drive back to SF, get everything we need, come back into Denver with the smuggler.

Personally, either/or doesn't really bother me. It's easy to argue for both options, and I don't really see one as being better than the other.
In the end, I guess it simply depends on whether or not we need a lot of things.

Speaking for Ludi's side only, beside need a decent weapon and armor, all she "might" need from home would be all her nifty electronic gadgets. BUT, I'm sure we could make due without them.

Whatever decisions we take, and however we plan things, Ludi plans on meeting with Daze, to touch base, thank him for his services and soften him up a bit.

[Bastard]

Street-etiquette for getting take-away food:

[ Spoiler ]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/silly.gif) [9, 5, 4, 2] (IMG:style_emoticons/default/silly.gif)

Team members can spend their nuyen from the last run.

The up-front money we received from mr White is going to be used to buy mission specific gear.

-EDIT-
We're going to be needing lots of explosives and some detonators for this job. Kliko wants to obtain this stuff through a variety of sources. Ludmilla's contacts being one. Kliko should be able to track down a friend of a friend merc in Denver from his League "membership" (pirate family edge, he'd ask his merc dealer contact).

[ Spoiler ]

Etiquette (mercenary): [8, 5, 3, 1]

Here is a demolitions roll to determine how much explosives Kliko thinks we be needing to reliably accomplish our primary and secondary goals. He wants to use: 1)commercial explosives, 2)low-grade plastic explosives and 3)arsony (incendiary grenades) on the targets (one method per target).

[ Spoiler ]

Demolitions-test: [11, 5, 5, 1]

Kliko will start working the contacts as from the next day. Also, he wants to relax a little and spend some time in one of those indian casino's they are supposed to have in Denver the next evening.

You might want to wait until Jamie looks at the info, then you can make an educated guess at what you need also.

[Bastard]

I do have stuff I want to buy. I thought I'd wait until I got the run data cleaned. I didn't want to get too far ahead.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif) Thanks. I will get this posted soon.






EDIT

IC Post up! Short, but should get everyone just about caught up to add their OoC actions into an IC Post.



Still have to go over NTWI's results. Anyone else I didnt get back to?

This post has been edited by Bastard: Sep 25 2011, 03:03 AM