Bioware doens't effect magic? Options

[SpasticTeapot]

Think about it, if your Type O then common bioware is technically cultured bioware to you. Read the fluff around Type O and it makes it all clear. Basically common bioware is Type O as it has the least chance of being rejected by the host body (kinda like how O- blood can be accepted by anyone (Yeah universal doner!). This is also another reason not to brag that your Type O (Mmm universal doner... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/devil.gif) ).

The best explanation I can think of is that cultured bioware is produced by taking a Type Owen cell culture for the bio-implant and modifying it, likely with some sort of gene-spliced virus. It's a lot closer to your own genome than the original Type O, but there's still a huge difference. Better bioware will get you more precise modifications and an improved starting cell culture.

It's sort of like being 5'11" tall, weighing 180 pounds, an average build, and size-9 feet - while this has an obvious advantage if you're buying off the rack, even bespoke clothing will fit you a lot better. Of course, people who aren't dead average always have the option to stop buying at macy's and go to a really good tailor, similar to how Jeremy the Generic Street-Samurai can use generic bioware or spend ten times as much for a perfect genetic fit.

[TBRMInsanity]

The best explanation I can think of is that cultured bioware is produced by taking a Type Owen cell culture for the bio-implant and modifying it, likely with some sort of gene-spliced virus. It's a lot closer to your own genome than the original Type O, but there's still a huge difference. Better bioware will get you more precise modifications and an improved starting cell culture.

Actually you have it backward. General bioware is created using Type Owen cells that are mutated using various methods (including tailored viruses), while cultured bioware is produced using your own cells (whatever Type cells you have in your body). If you have a Type O system then the bioware is already produced with cells that match your body type and thus creating cultured bioware would be redundent (general bioware is technically already "cultured" to your system).

[TheForgotten]

I think that originally bio worked by you could have a bioware index, that you could have bioware equal to your essence+ 3. which meant mages could have like 9 points of bioware but a street sam, loaded with cyber could have far less.

Geez this brings back memories of reading through that first bioware book in a NY mcDonalds and realizing how potent it was.

Um originally bioware index was equal to character Body attribute. A Troll could pack a lot more bio then an elf (and generally did). If I'm remembering correctly bioware index did take away from essence if you where a mage but not if you where any other character type.

[darthmord]

Um originally bioware index was equal to character Body attribute. A Troll could pack a lot more bio then an elf (and generally did). If I'm remembering correctly bioware index did take away from essence if you where a mage but not if you where any other character type.

In Shadowtech (SR2), the Bio Index was a measure of how much Bioware you could have implanted.

Bioware did NOT cost Essence. For the magically active, it basically acted as a virtual loss of power. Say you had two points of Bioware, for magical purposes your Magic rating was 2 points lower. But your Magic Attribute was NOT decreased. Bioware merely interfered with the channeling of Mana. It did NOT permanently remove ability like Cyberware does.

[SpasticTeapot]

Actually you have it backward. General bioware is created using Type Owen cells that are mutated using various methods (including tailored viruses), while cultured bioware is produced using your own cells (whatever Type cells you have in your body). If you have a Type O system then the bioware is already produced with cells that match your body type and thus creating cultured bioware would be redundent (general bioware is technically already "cultured" to your system).

I'm going to guess, though, that the genetic modifications made are taken from lab cultures using Type Owen cells (just in case.) Building a genetic code from scratch is nearly impossible - it's much easier to take a huge lump out of one genetic code and splice it into place. There are side benefits, too - all genetic engineers know the Type O genome like the back of their hand.

There is, of course, the fact that this is of course just a game predicting genetic engineering sixty years in the future - it's really just a case of "Is type O a pointless quality or a broken one?"

[Mordinvan]

I'm going to guess, though, that the genetic modifications made are taken from lab cultures using Type Owen cells (just in case.) Building a genetic code from scratch is nearly impossible - it's much easier to take a huge lump out of one genetic code and splice it into place. There are side benefits, too - all genetic engineers know the Type O genome like the back of their hand.

There is, of course, the fact that this is of course just a game predicting genetic engineering sixty years in the future - it's really just a case of "Is type O a pointless quality or a broken one?"

Actually creating a purely synthetic genome is possible now. 60 years from now it will be a project in a 200 level biology class.

[TBRMInsanity]

I'm going to guess, though, that the genetic modifications made are taken from lab cultures using Type Owen cells (just in case.) Building a genetic code from scratch is nearly impossible - it's much easier to take a huge lump out of one genetic code and splice it into place. There are side benefits, too - all genetic engineers know the Type O genome like the back of their hand.

The main reason that Cultured bioware takes so much time to create and is as perfect for you as scientifically possible is because they take the time to get the required genetic material from you and they take the time to create the bioware implant NOT using Type O cells. You would also need scientists with better skills in biology and background knowledge of bioware (hence the cost increase).

Most biologists will know Type O like the back of their hand but that doesn't mean they can't take their knowledge about Type O cells and modify it for some other cel type for cultured bioware. I just wouldn't want to trust some street doc to be creating cultured bioware for me.

[InfinityzeN]

Wrong thread to talk about Type O system in. And until the devs make a ruling, you are not going to convence anyone to change sides. Back on topic.