 NEXT PRODUCT RELEASE AND DATE, Where the drek is the next book !!!! |
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 184 Joined: 1-January 04 Member No.: 5,948  |
mmmm, farting bards...
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Jan 15 2004, 08:51 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
And then. like, we had this game that worked just fine and rewarded stuff like actually being in character, but then we scrapped it and went to a system where you only earned experience by killing stuff!
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Jan 15 2004, 09:01 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 |
Damn! So that section in the DMG about awarding XP for non-combat portions of the game actually doesn't exist?
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Jan 15 2004, 09:06 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Nope, it's just your imagination. Just like this strange thing you call a "computer".
Well, how interesting. I had been informed by someone who had read through the books, and who I would've thought would have read them carefully, that there wasn't anything on non-combat XP. Guess I don't have to write out the 2nd ed non-combat awards for her, then... ~J |
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Jan 15 2004, 09:13 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 |
From memory, it doesn't give hard-and-fast numbers, because obviously the amount of XP you should get for accomplishing facets of a quest should scale with the danger and the character's level.
Also, it's a little unclear in the text - again, from memory - but you don't necessarily need to "kill" someone to gain XP; just "defeat" them. As far as I'm concerned, distracting someone and accomplishing The Goal is as good as killing someone and accomplishing The Goal. D&D/d20 is flexible, you just have to let it. |
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Jan 16 2004, 12:40 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 139 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Cleveland-Akron Sprawl Member No.: 1,200 |
I have several friends and acquaintances who swear up and down that you never get xp for anything aside from combat, that 3.5 turned the game entirely into a miniatures game (ruining 3.0), that d20 is the munchiest thing going, that all d20 games are class-based, that all d20 games are level-based, that all d20 games use the "hit points" system, and other assorted lies and nonsense about what is one of the best game systems going today. All of those friends claim to have read the books, none of them have or they skipped over everything . When shown the evidence, they look incredulous and get quiet. Later, they repeat the same mistakes. It's just in some people's programming to hate d20 and they'll never learn.
You can get by with a preference-based argument that you like successes-based systems instead of TN-based systems. That's wholly subjective, of course, so "rational" probably isn't the best word for the argument. There are the counter-culture sheep that instantly despise anything popular, for no other reason than that it is popular, but they're not rational either. The fact of the matter is that d20 is a very solid, well-balanced, and adaptable system. |
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Jan 16 2004, 01:50 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 9 Joined: 23-May 02 From: Indy-LTG - midwest-RTG Member No.: 2,762 |
I don't care for the "character-class, hit-or-miss, no-levels-of-success D20 system" personally, but I do agree that it is a solid system. As far as game systems go I have always preferred shadowrun and L5R. But I have been playing D&D for years and I enjoy it. (Although while playing I do curse the system when ever an attack of opportunity comes up, or when I want to do a called shot.)
I feel that D20 is too focused on balance and not as much on fun. The D&D worlds I loved like dark sun and the outer planes have become impractical because the level adjustment for the races is too different. Look up their ECL method and you quickly see you have to start out as party of 6th level characters to play a party of adventurers in setting... unless everyone wants to play a human, an elf or a dwarf. One thing that does make up for D20's short comings is that other people are allowed to modify it. So after adding the crit system from starwas and the action dice from spycraft you get a workable system. That is much better then the old system. Because of that I would say it's on of the best systems out there. Now having said that... every game system that converts to D20 loses what made it unique. L5R is just not as much fun in D20; you have lost the realism that made it fun. Deadlands was a very different game after the conversion. Games that covert lose at least some of their appeal to their fans. And so far every time a game has converted the original system is pretty much thrown out. This is where I think the bitterness comes from because I didn't hear many complaints until the old systems started getting thrown out. (having said all this I will return to work, and eating my chocolate covered expresso beans to stay awake at work... sorry if I rambled) |
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Jan 16 2004, 03:44 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 23 Joined: 26-February 02 From: FRFZ Member No.: 230 |
On a vaguely related note, I have noticed the SR3 core book at a lot of the big book chains lately. Something I hadn't seen since FanPro took over.
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Jan 16 2004, 03:52 AM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
*Gives Jury the look* No. I don't want to hear about your character! :P And on the D&D/d20 thing, it's kinda like MS. Some people seem to just keep spouting the line about how it's so evil without being able to come up with a reason why. I have much more respect for those that can articualte why they hold that view. :/ |
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Jan 16 2004, 04:09 AM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
You forgot the level 60 rogue that picked V's pockets for goodies and that level 60 fighter/weapon master who cut down V with a single cut! |
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Jan 16 2004, 04:22 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
adam, you can't just go around ruining baseless accusations with your "facts" and your "evidence". it's not fair.
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Jan 16 2004, 04:28 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 498 Joined: 31-May 02 From: All the way in the Back to the Left. Member No.: 2,800 |
Don't worry, the rabid idiots he is addressing will not have their opinions changed by anything. |
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Jan 16 2004, 05:03 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
I will certainly not change my opinion that converting Shadowrun to D20 would be more or less equivalent to burning FanPro's buildings and sowing salt on the real estate. Whether or not the system in itself being used for games that were designed for it is good or bad is another matter.
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Jan 16 2004, 05:10 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
oh, yeah--i'm not interested in d20 SR. bad idea. i like my SR system. but i also like d20. they tell me it's some kind of genetic mutation.
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Jan 16 2004, 05:20 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 498 Joined: 31-May 02 From: All the way in the Back to the Left. Member No.: 2,800 |
Good for you. No one is suggesting that they change it. Just the rabid hatred of D20 system. SR has classes you narrow minded weenies. Mage, Adept, Shaman, Rigger, Sammie. They are only as unique as you make them. |
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Jan 16 2004, 05:42 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 156 Joined: 3-July 02 Member No.: 2,929 |
I've no memory of this being in D&D 3E or 3.5. It was stipulated in The AD&D 2E Players Handbook. A certain amount of exp is given for each encounter (the example was an orc guard). The PCs get the exp if they kill the orc, or hang around and wait for the orc to leave/fall asleep, but not if they happen to arrive when the orc is gone/asleep. And yeah, I'm jumping in here late. It's been too long since my last visit. Not that anyone cares. And as long as wild rumors are going around, I'll start a rumor that I'll release NERPS ten years early! No I won't. You all have to wait. Mwahaha. |
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Jan 16 2004, 05:48 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
For NERPS, or for the rumor?
Hm. Maybe I should make you bribe me with NERPS to make me actually run games. Either that or a pocket calendar that gives me electric shocks when I'm about to miss games. ~J |
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Jan 16 2004, 05:49 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 156 Joined: 3-July 02 Member No.: 2,929 |
If the electric shock thing actually worked, I'd just zap you whenever I wanted a game. It'd need an adjustable setting, you'd become tolerant of little zaps real quick.
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Jan 16 2004, 06:47 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,047 Joined: 12-November 03 From: Perilously close to the Sioux Nation. Member No.: 5,818 |
No we won't. God, this board needs an "rolleyes" smiley. I like d20. It gets people interested in gaming, which is good. The only bad thing is then we get a fugging flood of people who try to play everything like DnD. And the reason you'll hear "no xp for roleplaying" is that it's marginalized. It's a short section of a book the players aren't even really supposed to read / be interested in. This is in direct contrast to the complex tables of character level versus CL. I hate d20. We get a drab uniformity across our games, which encourages people to not learn new systems, and hence not try new games. And of course, we have my inbred hatred of monopolies and huge corps. |
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Jan 16 2004, 06:51 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
You mean a rolleyes smiley like this one :please: ?
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Jan 16 2004, 06:52 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,047 Joined: 12-November 03 From: Perilously close to the Sioux Nation. Member No.: 5,818 |
No, like the one at Utopia-Politics.com
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Jan 16 2004, 07:00 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Having located one of said smileys and looked at it, all I can say is: ewww....
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Jan 16 2004, 07:02 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 533 Joined: 26-February 02 From: In a hot tub, with lots of bubbles and champagne waiting for you. Member No.: 1,972 |
Hey where is the best place online to buy SR stuff?
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Jan 16 2004, 07:08 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
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Jan 16 2004, 07:49 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
about xp and combat--3.5e DMG, pg 50, 51. it lists a variety of encounter types.
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