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> Fetish Implants, Losing them: even more painful than before
LamplightSlasher
post Apr 15 2009, 08:02 PM
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Assuming that a sub-dermal, non-cyber/bioware implant would not affect essence ratings (think ceramic beads in a dudes wang), could a mage have festishes implanted beneath the surface of the skin in order to avoid them being easily lost on a run?
The negatives to balance against the seeming metagaming would be the social drrawbacks (visible implants would be weird unless your in the right crowd) and the painful side-effects of actually losing the fetishes. A bunch of cheek implanted fetishes on that hamster shaman, might ake him look the part and save him from having his expensive fetishes lost or damaged during a job, but getting captured by enemy street sams that dig the items unceremoniously outta his face is still bound to be unpleasant. Any thoughts?
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post Apr 15 2009, 08:54 PM
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Implant them where nobody can see them.
In the Ass, in your Legs, in your Torso.
It's cosmetic Surgery at best, so i don't think there's any essence-loss in there, but i ain't sure . .
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post Apr 15 2009, 09:11 PM
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It can be done, yes.
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post Apr 15 2009, 09:18 PM
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History has spoken.
allthough, not that surprising to me, considering you can enchant cyber-ware-implants too . .
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post Apr 15 2009, 09:29 PM
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Anybody out there actually have this happen in their games before? Do you think this would be a common procedure?
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post Apr 15 2009, 09:31 PM
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Most common is the Cyber-Spur Weapon-Focus.
But look up Uncle Ancients page for silly ideas ^^
http://ancientfiles.dumpshock.com/Spoorn/6.html
Or an implanted/grafted to the Bone Armor-Spell or Shield or Barrier Spell Focus
For people who are in high-Society, a visibly implanted Fashion-Spell-Fetish or something like that is very probable.
Or Make-Over. Or Fast, or something along those lines. For the more practical thinking something that cures hangovers. .
Hey, Uncle Ancient, has something like that been invented yet? Magical Cure for Hangovers? O.o
That should be a veritable gold-mine ^^
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post Apr 15 2009, 09:37 PM
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QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Apr 15 2009, 05:31 PM) *
Most common is the Cyber-Spur Weapon-Focus.
But look up Uncle Ancients page for silly ideas ^^
http://ancientfiles.dumpshock.com/Spoorn/6.html
Or an implanted/grafted to the Bone Armor-Spell or Shield or Barrier Spell Focus
For people who are in high-Society, a visibly implanted Fashion-Spell-Fetish or something like that is very probable.
Or Make-Over. Or Fast, or something along those lines. For the more practical thinking something that cures hangovers. .
Hey, Uncle Ancient, has something like that been invented yet? Magical Cure for Hangovers? O.o
That should be a veritable gold-mine ^^


Those are essence-costing implants. He wants an Essence 0 cost fetish that he can implant.
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post Apr 15 2009, 09:39 PM
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something like an implanted Ear-Ring, or a ring through the nose, or a piercing, of something slipped under the skin, that does not cost Essence, that is simply Cosmetic. maybe have your Dentist slip in a little something, when you're at it allready? O.o
Oh and how could we forget the Tattoo-Metamagic? o.O
why should that only work for Focus stuff and not fetish stuff?
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post Apr 15 2009, 09:58 PM
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I would say implanting a fetish beneath the skin and making sure it doesn't poison the user would require an essence loss surgery (not much essence loss but some non the less). I would use the auto injectors as a guide line (as the fetish with non-reacting container would be of similar size).
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post Apr 15 2009, 10:12 PM
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QUOTE (TBRMInsanity @ Apr 15 2009, 02:58 PM) *
I would say implanting a fetish beneath the skin and making sure it doesn't poison the user would require an essence loss surgery (not much essence loss but some non the less). I would use the auto injectors as a guide line (as the fetish with non-reacting container would be of similar size).



Since The Fetish can be made of nearly anything.. could the fetish not simply be made of a material such as ceramic or surgical steel. These kind of implants don't require essence loss otherwise. I'm not familiar with cyberweapon foci, but I presume it requires no further essence loss than the initial implant correct?
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post Apr 15 2009, 10:15 PM
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QUOTE (TBRMInsanity @ Apr 15 2009, 04:58 PM) *
I would say implanting a fetish beneath the skin and making sure it doesn't poison the user would require an essence loss surgery (not much essence loss but some non the less). I would use the auto injectors as a guide line (as the fetish with non-reacting container would be of similar size).


Thing is, though, that sticking crap under the skin has been part of religious beliefs since before people had the ability to write it down. It's just sort of hanging out in there like a pacemaker - it's not actually connected up to any tubing, so to speak.
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post Apr 15 2009, 10:19 PM
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QUOTE (LamplightSlasher @ Apr 16 2009, 12:12 AM) *
Since The Fetish can be made of nearly anything.. could the fetish not simply be made of a material such as ceramic or surgical steel. These kind of implants don't require essence loss otherwise. I'm not familiar with cyberweapon foci, but I presume it requires no further essence loss than the initial implant correct?

Exactly, you pay the Essence for the Spur, then remove it, then enchant it, then build it back in.
And you only lose the essence for the initial implant.

Someone seen the Crow 3?
The one starting with the Guy on the electrical Chair?
Where one of the bad guys had those stainless surgical steel thingies under his skin and they showed up?
Yeah, i imagine something like that. And no, should not take up any essence i think.
And Tattoos, or something in your teeth, or Piercings/Ear-Rings.
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post Apr 15 2009, 10:26 PM
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On a related note, there's canon evidence that various wizards can do things like drink mercury without any harm. (IIRC, I think it was some sort of taoist longevity potion or some such.)

If you can drink mercury, you can shove a lump of enchanted bone in your forehead without any ill effects (though you'd need to use all appropriate rituals.)

Perhaps this could be some sort of metamagic? It would not be unreasonable that the spellcaster would better be able to use or defend foci implanted in his own body.

There's also the opportunity for weird options - for example, a power focus in the form of a heavy bone hoop that only works if implanted through the spetum. Most characters would likely jump at whatever arbitrarily large bonus you attribute the item, though you could easily give them the distinctive style (messed-up nose) flaw and a whole lot of miscellaneous penalties.
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post Apr 15 2009, 10:28 PM
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The major practical downside to implanting a fetish is a) having a fetish suitable for body modification, and b) having a procedure that doesn't damage the fetish while it's being implanted. Because these are hand-made items and not factory-quality silicone or surgical steel, a certain amount of irritation in the area for a little while after implantation is normal, and depending on the material of the fetish an infection may also be likely.

Naturally, the cost for getting a fetish implanted is separate from the cost of the fetish.

Explicit Implants
Various forms of piercing, microdermal implants (an anchor beneath the skin, allowing jewelry to be attached), and transdermal implants (objects that break the skin) are pretty easy, and many cultures have histories of using such implants (not always for magical purposes, but hey...).

Traditional example:
A dwarf curandero has eight Health fetishes crafted from gems and set in his teeth, using traditional (and painful) Mayan techniques.

Postmodern example:
A human chaos mage has carefully refined a few grains of gold panned from a stream, producing tiny gold flakes that she painstakingly crafts into a version of the Yellow Sign in a moondark ritual she crafted herself. Slipping the tiny, fragile Illusion fetish into a plastic envelope, she makes a visit to a doctor training in Awakened medicine to have the fetish placed as an extraoccular implant. Out of the corner of her vision, sometimes she thinks she can see the Yellow Sign...

Subdermal Implants
Objects that are implanted entirely below the skin, making different shapes.

Traditional example:
A blind elf mystic has a Detection fetish in the form of a dozen hand-blown glass beads on a string of silk; he has these installed on his chest, forming the Braille letters that spell out "eye."

Postmodern example
A troll street sorcerer removes his broken horns and carves a pair of Combat fetishes out of coral; the coral fetishes are implanted beneath the skin of his head and the skin textured to improve the appearance of his new "horns."
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post Apr 15 2009, 10:30 PM
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The Astral Eye
Popular with groggies, especially who've lost an eye, this prosthetic resembles a glass eye, but is made of a cache of golden amber recovered from the Black Sea, encircled by a hair-thin orichalcum wire, and engraved with a single potent rune.

The Astral Eye is a prosthetic for magicians, especially those who've lost an eye. The eye is a stacked Anchoring Focus (4) [Astral Window]/Specific Spell [Astral Window] Focus (2); allowing them to scan the astral plane more or less at will. In addition, the eye is a Unique Enchantment, with a Force 3 free ally spirit bound within. The ally possesses the Astral Gateway power, and can use it on the magician bonded to the Astral Eye.

Finally, the Astral Eye uses a Rune enchantment: it only functions when placed within the empty eye-socket of the magician who has bonded the focus (no Essence loss required.) The Eye can be removed with a free action, but doing so immediately de-activates the Eye.

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The section also contains a horribly perverse unique enchantment known as the "Cage of Bone." Wherin a living metahuman (even the magician themselves) is flayed open, and certain runes (the True Name of a free spirit, along with certain binding spells) are inscribed on the living bones of their ribs or skull (requiring a Biotech(6) test, an Enchanting (6) test and Rune Lore (6) test; and dealing a Deadly wound to the suject, who may resist the damage normally, but who must also test for magic loss normally.)

The "Cage of Bone" is a stacked Free Spirit Focus: 6 (useable only for the Free Spirit whose True Name is incorporated into the formula)/Unique Enchantment. To complete the ceremony as described in the book, the magician summons the Free Spirit, which is bound within the unqiue enchantment of the "Cage of Bone." The magician may then command the spirit to aid him with any of it's powers, up to and inclduing Channeling or Possessing (the nature of the Unique Focus is such that even if the spirit somehow later goes free, or is disrupted, it returns to the Cage of Bone. Even if the bearer of the enchantment dies.)
The spell formulae on the back cover is for the Corps Cadavre: 6 spell, as used in the Petro Voudoun tradition.

Go thank Uncle Ancient History for your nightmares ^^
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post Apr 15 2009, 10:35 PM
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Ah, that's nothin'. I still remember the conversation that followed the Fellini Manual.
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post Apr 15 2009, 10:47 PM
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The major practical downside to implanting a fetish is a) having a fetish suitable for body modification, and b) having a procedure that doesn't damage the fetish while it's being implanted. Because these are hand-made items and not factory-quality silicone or surgical steel, a certain amount of irritation in the area for a little while after implantation is normal, and depending on the material of the fetish an infection may also be likely.


Along these lines: I'd wonder if the item in question required ritual treatment or has to maintain some sort of mystical purity standard, which would make just taking any ol' mystic relic and jamming it into your body might cut you off from its power. I'd extend "suitable for modification" to include "won't violate any mojo-related taboo by being used in this fashion." House-rule territory, of course. Keep people from swallowing relics from their local chapel, if nothing else.
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post Apr 15 2009, 10:51 PM
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QUOTE (Ancient History @ Apr 16 2009, 12:35 AM) *
Ah, that's nothin'. I still remember the conversation that followed the Fellini Manual.

*shrugs*
i know why i am a fanboy of your work Bobby.
I like your style. You have weird/fantastic ideas.
And a "nice" sense of Humor to boot ^^
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post Apr 15 2009, 10:55 PM
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hi hi

Even if the item was made out of hazardous or reactive materials, couldn't you just vacuum seal it in a thin plastic layer? I mean you can still use foci and fetishes while holding them in a gloved hand, right?
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post Apr 15 2009, 10:59 PM
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There the line gets blurry again.
Either you require direct Skin-Conatct,or your aura needs to be touching the aura of whatever it is you are using . .
Depends on what your GM/Group think magic should work like.
You can either not use gloves with those, or you can put them into your pockets and use them without them being seen.
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those are some awesome items Ancient, I especially like the Air-Jesus sneakers. I just wish that they were updated for 4th ed
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post Apr 15 2009, 11:13 PM
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Who knows, maybe in Dawn of the Artifacts? O.o
I am still unsatisfied, that my favourite writer does not have lead in that project <.< . .
Well, we'll see what Tiggi can think up and put in there.
Or maybe, something like the Digital Grimoire will come out later on, that gives some
ideas and / or rules for the creation of such stuff.
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post Apr 16 2009, 12:44 AM
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Since The Fetish can be made of nearly anything.. could the fetish not simply be made of a material such as ceramic or surgical steel. These kind of implants don't require essence loss otherwise.

IIRC, even breat implants have an essence cost. I'm not sure about replacement teeth.
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post Apr 16 2009, 01:59 AM
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QUOTE (LamplightSlasher @ Apr 16 2009, 07:12 AM) *
Since The Fetish can be made of nearly anything.. could the fetish not simply be made of a material such as ceramic or surgical steel. These kind of implants don't require essence loss otherwise. I'm not familiar with cyberweapon foci, but I presume it requires no further essence loss than the initial implant correct?



Do you feel that ceramic or surgical steel fetishes are appropriate for the caster's tradition?


Also, Hamster Shaman??
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post Apr 16 2009, 02:07 AM
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QUOTE (The Mack @ Apr 15 2009, 06:59 PM) *
Do you feel that ceramic or surgical steel fetishes are appropriate for the caster's tradition?


Also, Hamster Shaman??



Har har.... Just examples... Not that I would stop someone from picking Hamster Shaman. It may not carry a lot of street cred, but having those cheek pouches could be handy.
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