The Super-Sam, Build the Most Amazing Killer Evah! Options

[Bugfoxmaster]

Hey all!

This is just sort of an interesting thing I decided to do, since I wanted to see what people would come up with. Using 250 BP for attributes and 100 Karma for... anything, really, and with a limit of 35 BP worth of Positive and Negative qualities, and AND INFINITE MONEY (and no restrictions on gear and ware), can you build the most deadly MUNDANE (Read: No Adepts, Bio or otherwise) Street Sam Ever? Delta and Beta grade cyberware is encouraged.
Race: Human.
No SURGE. Aside from those restrictions, go to it! And remember, he doesn't need to be playble in the least.

[Cheops]

Couple q's: do we need to use the Karma for skills etc? so we get 250 bp atts, 35 bps +/- quals, and 100 karma for everything else?

Also what sort of metrics are you looking for in terms of "deadly"? Does our guy need to survive getting hit. Just looking for some goal posts here.

[Stahlseele]

Robocop/Terminator or Street Preacher Levels of Deadly.
Can survive most anything, should be able to kill with most anything too.
So, MBW 3 Delta, Agility Stuff, Built in Armor and Damage-defying i think.

[Nigel]

Unlimited money? For me, the money's on full Delta cyberbody and Move-By-Wire 3 plus something else in a custom cybersuite.

Karma and BP would go toward skills and contacts, with a few knowledge skills relating to killing.

Oh, and I'd buy a zeppelin plus several hundred bombs. How's that for deadly?

[Stahlseele]

Nah, not BOMBS . .
first, magical stealth and shielding for the zeppelin.
second, naval grade lasers/gauss cannons/rail guns.
third, ?????????????
fourth, PROFIT!

[Bugfoxmaster]

Couple q's: do we need to use the Karma for skills etc? so we get 250 bp atts, 35 bps + / - quals, and 100 karma for everything else?

Also what sort of metrics are you looking for in terms of "deadly"? Does our guy need to survive getting hit. Just looking for some goal posts here.

Here's roughly the deal: build the character with 250 BP for attributes, I guess I'll specify another 150 BP for skills, knowledge skills (on top of the free ones), and contacts at base, 35 BP +/ - qualities, and 100 Karma to improve him/it even more, via more skills, attribute raises (use 4A costs), specialization, and so on.
Deadly as in he can survive mostly anything and dish out as much damage as possible - being somewhat stealthy and sort-of viable isn't a ad thing, but killing and surviving shit comes first. Basically a super-soldier, if you get my drift. But not just amoving gun - he has to be good enough and connected enough to get to and plan the shit he does.

I guess left it open for the lazer zeppelin (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif) .
But seriously, I meant things like cyberware, bioware, nanotech, genetech, delta everything, super-modded weapons, super-modded armor, awesome gear, etc.
I guess you could include a really modded out citymaster or something if you REALLY wanted a vehicle. But that's not the point...
So... I guess unlimited money for the sort of thing I said above. And cybrsuites are a-OK, though I'd prefer you kept it somewht reasonable (somewhat, as the entire point of the post is a bit of absurdity)
If you have any further questions to specify the challenge, go ahead and ask. Good luck!


Edit: Oh yeah, and if you're willing, try and put the character out in a full sheet - like with all the skills, gear, attributes and so on listed, so we can all take a look.

[Chrysalis]

Biodrone edition from Ghost Cartels, with all the agumentation goodness. IPs 5. Red line limbs. Done.

[McAllister]

Can you buy more qualities with the karma?

[remmus]

question is, is it super sam...or serious sam?

sorry couldn´t help a of topic joke

[McAllister]

Dammit, I'm having trouble using all the BPs and karma. A infinitely wealthy troll who doesn't need to buy physical attributes and can skillwire skills is pretty inexpensive!

[McAllister]

Metatype: Fomori (45BP) Ghoul (35BP)

Attributes: 180BP
Body – 10 (0)
Agility – 1 (0)
Reaction – 3 (20)
Strength – 8 (0)
Charisma – 3 (20)
Intuition – 4 (30)
Logic – 4 (40)
Willpower – 5 (40)
Edge – 5 (40)

Active Skills: 72BP/88karma
Heavy Weapons (Assault Cannon) 7 (20/42)
Blades (Cyber-implants) 7 (20/42)
Dodge (Ranged) 4 (16/2)
Perception (Visual) 4 (16/2)

Knowledge Skills: Free
Academic: Biochemistry 4
Interest: Sports 4
Language: Or’zet 4
Language: Japanese 4
Professional: Security Procedures 4
Professional: Security Design 4
Street: Ares Macrotechnology 4
Street: Seattle Fixers 4

Positive Qualities: 35BP
Ambidexterity
Aptitude – Heavy Weapons
Aptitude – Blades
Biocompatibility – Cyberware

Negative Qualities: -35BP
Augmentation Addiction
Combat Monster
Wanted
Weak Immune System

Contacts: 18BP
Yakuza Lieutenant (4C,4L)
Ares Cyberdoc (2C,4L)
Black Market Dealer (3C,1L)

Geneware: 1.2e
Adapsin (.1e)
Daredrenaline (.1e)
Genetic Optimization – AGI, BOD and STR (.6e)
Sideways (.4e)

Cyberware: 4.125e
Deltaware Move-By-Wire 3 (1.5e)
Deltaware Titanium Bone Lacing (.45e)
Deltaware Rating 5 Cybereyes (.15e)
Deltaware Rating 4 Cyberears (.15e)
Deltaware Obvious Cyberskull (.225e)
Customized AGI 6, BOD 16, STR 14
Deltaware Obvious Cybertorso (.45e)
Customized AGI 6, BOD 16, STR 14
Deltaware Obvious Left Cyberarm (.3e)
Customized AGI 6, BOD 16, STR 14
Deltaware Obvious Right Cyberarm (.3e)
Customized AGI 6, BOD 16, STR 14
Deltaware Obvious Left Cyberleg (.3e)
Customized AGI 6, BOD 16, STR 14
Deltaware Obvious Right Cyberleg (.3e)
Customized AGI 6, BOD 16, STR 14


Bioware: 2.3e
Deltaware Enhanced Articulation (.15e)
Deltaware Orthoskin 3 (.375e)
Deltaware Reflex Recorders – Heavy Weapons, Blades, Dodge, Perception, Stealth (.3e)
Deltaware Platelet Factories (.1e)
Deltaware Reception Enhancer 3 (.3e)
Deltaware Trauma Dampers (.1e)
Deltaware Sleep Regulator (.075e)
Deltaware Symbiotes 3 (.3e)
Deltaware Toxin Extractor 6 (.6e)

Pretty straightforward. I didn't bother listing anything that didn't cost BP, Karma or Essence because money is unlimited and capacity is plentiful, but imagine I seasoned it with stat enhancements, cyberware armor, milspec armor with strength boosters, three different assault cannons and all that jazz. The only choices I feel the need to explain are A. I'd've gotten more social skills, but those come on activesofts and I could just load them up as needed and B. I didn't feel the need for any gun skills beyond Heavy Weapons because I could get a microgrenade launcher implanted, which is plenty of ranged action for when the gyro-stabilizer and Panther need to stay home. After all, if I made the cyberlegs raptor legs and strapped in cyberskates, I'm running 23 meters/second, so I'm never too far from melee range (using my spurs, of course).

[crazyconscript]

Unlimited money? 250BP attributes? 150BP skills etc +100 Karma? Well, lets see what we can do with this here then... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/vegm.gif)

Ok, so the basic stuff first. Attributes, skills & contacts

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Race: Human
Money: (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nuyen.gif) INFINITE (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nuyen.gif)

Attributes
B:5 A:5[9] S:5[9] R:1[10] C:4 I:4 L:4 W:5 Edge:4 Essence:0.0075 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cyber.gif) (250BP on mental/social with Edge raised to 4 from misc 150BP)

Skills-> 106BP
Dodge(Ranged): 6[9](+2)
Firearms Group: 4[5]
Close Combat Group: 4[5]
Influence Group: 3 (w/karma: 35)
Perception (Visual): 4(+2) (w/karma 24)
Athletics Group: 3(+3) (w/karma 35)

Knowledge Skills Freebies: (4+4)x3=24
Languages
English: Native
Spanish: 2 (Cityspeak) (spec w/karma 2)
Japanese: 4
Criminal Hangouts: 4
Small Unit Tactics: 3
Urban Brawl Teams: 2
Barrens Safehouses: 3
Yakuza/Mafia Politics: 4
Lone Star Patrol Routes: 2

Qualities-> +35/-35]
Exceptional Attribute (Reaction)
Biocompatibility (Cyberware)
Ambidexterity
Uncontrolled Metastasis [Moderate]
Combat Monster
Vindictive
Incompetent (Parachuting)

Contacts-> 24BP
Mr.Johnson/Fixer: L2/C5
Arms Dealer: L2/C4
Mafia/Yakuza Inside Man: L4/C3
Barkeep: L2/C2

And here is his cyber/bioware:

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Cyberware-all delta grade (well, you DID say infinite (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nuyen.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/spin.gif) )
Move-by-Wire Rating 3
-Skillwire Expert System
Dermal Sheathing Rating 3
Radar Sensor Rating 4
Reaction Enhancer Rating 3
Datajack

Obvious Right Cyberhand
-Cyberarm Gyromount

Obvious Left Cyberhand
-Cyberarm Gyromount

Obvious Right CyberFoot
-Foot Anchor

Cybereyes Rating 5
-Low-Light Vision
-SmartLink
-Vision Magnification
-Eye Laser System
-Eye Laser Designator
-Eye Laser Range Finder
-Eye Laser Microphone Rating 3
-Eye Tool Laser

Cyberears Rating 3
-Audio Enhancer Rating 3
-Balance Augmentor
-Select Sound Filter
-Spatial Recogniser
-Damper

Bioware
Muscle Toner 4 (delta)
Muscle Augmentation 4 (delta)
Bone Density Augmentation 4 (delta)
Pain Editor (cultured)
Platelet Factories (delta)
Trauma Dampener (cultured)
2 xReflex Recorder [Firearms Group, Close Combat Group] (delta)
Synthacardium 3 (delta)

[u]Genemods[u]
Reakt
Synch
Neo-EPO

And now, for some other assorted gear:

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Rating 4 Activesofts: Heavy Weapons, Infiltration, Shadowing, Palming, Throwing, Disguise, Industrial Mechanic, Automotive Mechanic, Aeronatics Mechanic etc etc etc. Every skill that can be an autosoft, buy it at max rating. Remember, you did say maximum monies (IMG:style_emoticons/default/spin.gif) . Except for Parachuting, he apparently cant do that (IMG:style_emoticons/default/twirl.gif)

Other Gear: Buy EVERYTHING in Arsenal/BBB that isnt magic related. yes, even the hacker stuff
Programs: Buy say 4-5 Rating 6 Agents, upgrade your commlink to 6's, and get every program at max rating. You are now a script kiddie with an army (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
Goggles/Glasses/Some kind of eyeware that grants thermo and ultrasound vision

Weapons:

Stun Baton
Vibro Blade Sword
Monofilament Sword
Vibro Blade knife
Cougar Fine Long+Short Blades <--personalised grips on all of them
Throwing knives x many

Assault Rifle: Ares Alpha
-High Velocity [2], Gas Vent 3 [2], Personalised Grip [1], Powered Folding Stock [1]
6P, AP-1, 42©, Recoil 6(7)[11 w/gyromount+foot anchor], Smartgun, Underbarrel grenade Launcher, Airburst Link

SMG: 2x FN P93 Praetor
Gas Vent 3 [2], Additional Clip [2], High Velocity [2] Top mounted Smartgun System, Electronic Firing and Flashlight Options
Recoil: 5(6)

Pistols: 2x Ruger Super Warhawks
Smartgun[2], Firing selction change SA [1], Extended cylinder

Ruhrmetall SF20 HMG w/tripod

Barrett. 'Nuff said.

and i know this may be silly, but i see nowhere in the rules that says no to this (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Grenade Launcher: ArmTech MGL-12
Firing Selection Change-BF(from SS) [4], Additional Clip [2], Top-mounted Smartgun System

Lots of Ex-Ex, Stick'n'shock, regular and narco-capsule rounds. Maybe a few gel/flechette.

Armour:
Heavy Milspec Armour(w/helmet rating 5) w/ ruthenium polymer coating, Mobility Upgrade 3 [6], strength enhancement 3 [3] non-conductivity 6 [3] hydraulic jacks Rating 5 [6], Quick Release [2]
FFBA Half suit, Armour Jacket

So his combat pool is going to be 15 base most of the time for firearms, and 14 for other weapons. Not the MOST optimised possible, but pretty close for a non-elf considering he has that dice pool in everything.
Body Resistance is 9+armour, which will be 20/19 or 14/10 depending on what he is wearing. He ingores all stun due to the pain editor, and reduces what damage is taken thanks to platelet factories+trauma dampener.
Defense is 12 base for Reaction 10+2 from reakt, and then you get dodge in close combat and have the option of full defense for many more dice. He has radar in his head and can fire his Ares with 2 Long-Bursts without taking any recoil (or a grenade-launcher short burst. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!)
He is combat kill, but also has fair contacts and social skills aswell, and the fact that he is a cyber-ninja isnt immediately obvious
Ok, so what do you think? I think it be very very silly.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and i still had 4 karma left over. Forgot about that

[Cheops]

I think he said we have to make Humans. Also, what is the ruling on Adapsin? Can we have 2 levels of that before implanting everything else?

[crazyconscript]

Man, that took me WAY longer to type than i had intended it to (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dead.gif)

And mcAllistor, i believe it was meant to be humans (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sarcastic.gif)

[InfinityzeN]

I tried a build without cyberlimbs, but ended up slipping in a cyber lower leg. I also avoided biocompatibility since everyone is using it. The few skills he has are maxed because he has a crap ton of skillsofts for everything else tweaked out. I don't think you'll be able to fit any more 'ware into him though, since he is pretty much at the limit without going CZ. Oh, and I still have 76 karma unspent.

The character is built as an Ares research 'project' that is undergoing active field testing.

Jack Hatcher
Jack be nimble, Jack be quick, Jack going to f*** you with his fist!

Attributes & Qualities

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Strength: 4 (9)
Agility: 5 (10)
Reaction: 2 (12) +1 karma
Body: 6 (7, 10 for damage test)
Logic: 3 (6)
Intuition: 5
Willpower: 5
Charisma: 4

Essence: 0.0025 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cyber.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cyber.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cyber.gif)
Edge: 2

Initiative: 7 (17, 18 with RA: Red Alert)
Passes: 1 (4)

Qualities
Exceptional Attribute (Reaction)
Aptitude (Dodge)
Ambidextrous
SINner (Ares) [-5]
Records on File (Ares) [-10]
Cyberpsychosis [-10]
Dependent (live-in Girlfriend) [-10]

Contacts
Ares Covert Operations Deputy Director - Seattle (C: 6, L: 2)
Ares Cyberdoc (C: 2, L: 4)

Skills

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Active
*Firearms SG: 7 split by specializations
-Pistols (Heavy Pistols): 7 (+2) specialization with karma
-Automatics (Assault Rifles): 7 (+2) specialization with karma
-Long Arms (Sniper Rifles): 7 (+2) specialization with karma
*Dodge (Ranged): 8 (+2) specialization with karma
*Unarmed Combat (Bitch Slap!): 7 (+2) specialization with karma
*Perception: 7

Knowledge
English: Native

Small Unit Tactics: 6
Security Procedures: 4
Safe Houses: 3
Corporate Politics: 4
Ares Macrotechnology: 4
MMA Fighters: 3

Crap ton of skillsofts for everything else he needs

'Ware

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Cyber (all Delta, in Suite, Adapsin; x0.3) 3.495
Move By Wire 3, 1.5
Skillwire Expert System, 0.03
Reaction Enhancer 3, 0.27
Titanium Bone Lacing, 0.45
Dermal Sheath 3, 0.48
Attention Coprocessor 3, 0.09
Olfactory Booster 6, 0.06
Ultrasound Sensor, 0.09
Radar Sensor 4, 0.09

Cybereyes 4, 0.15
- Eye Recording Unit
- Image Link
- Low-Light Vision
- Smartgun System
- Thermographic Vision
- Vision Enhancement 3
- Vision Magnification
- Flare Compensation
- Eye Laser System (Laser Designator, Laser Microphone 3, Laser Range Finder)

Cyberears 4, 0.15
- Audio Enhancement 3
- Balance Augmenter
- Damper
- Ear Recording Unit
- Select Sound Filter 6
- Sound Link
- Spatial Recognizer

Cyber Lowerleg, Obvious, 0.135
- Customized to Strength 6, Agility 7, Body 7
- Commlink (6/6/6/6)
- Sim Module
- Scanner System
- Nanohive 6
- Orientation System
- Biomonitor
- Auto-Injector (6 dose) -Antidote Patch 6
- Auto-Injector (6 dose) -Stimulant Patch 6
- Auto-Injector (6 dose) -Trauma Patch
- Auto-Injector (6 dose) -Long Haul
- Auto-Injector (6 dose) -Guts
- Auto-Injector (6 dose) -Slab

Bio (all Delta; x0.5) 3.15
Suprathyroid Gland, 0.35
Muscle Augmentation 4, 0.4
Muscle Toner 4, 0.4
Extended Volume 3, 0.15
Enhanced Articulation, 0.15
Synthacardium 3, 0.15
Platelet Factories, 0.1
Trauma Damper, 0.1
Cerebral Booster 3, 0.3
Mnemonic Enhancer 3, 0.15
Reception Enhancer 3, 0.3
Enhanced Pheromone Receptors 3, 0.05
Tailored Pheromones 3, 0.3
Reflex Recorder: Firearms SG, 0.1
Reflex Recorder: Unarmed Combat, 0.05
Reflex Recorder: Dodge, 0.05
Reflex Recorder: Perception, 0.05

Genetic 1.1
Genetic Optimization (Agility, Reaction, Body), 0.6
Adapsin, 0.2
Reakt, 0.3

Nano
Universal Nantidotes 9
Nanosymbiotes 3
Neural Amplifiers, Limbic 3
Neural Amplifiers, Neocortical 3
O-Cells 9
Oxyrush 5

Other
Cosmetic Surgery and Cosmetic Bioware (looks nothing like his original appearance, +2 social rolls)
Inoculation 6 (if possible for a disease, he has it)
Minor Modification: Fingerprint Removal

Gear

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Rocking a maxed out Lifestyle. Deluxe apartment in the sky!
Activesoft 4 (For every skill he doesn't have, with Pluscode 3 and Personalized)
Knowsoft 5 (Numbers beyond belief, with Lifeline and Personalized)
Languagesoft 5 (I speak all languages, with Lifeline and Personalized)
Sensorsoft 6 (All of 'em)
Mapsoft 6 (Numbers beyond belief)
Datasoft 6 (Numbers beyond belief)
TACNET 4
Reality Amp: Focus
Reality Amp: Oracle
Reality Amp: Red Alert

Whatever else the heck he wants/needs.

Pools & Other Stuff
Yes, they are that silly. Yes, he rolls 19 dice to bitch slap someone.

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Perception (DP: 18, +3 Vision, + 3 Hearing, +9 Smell, +2 RA: Oracle) + all Sensor Software at max
Unarmed attacks (DP: 17, +2 Bitchslaps!, Damage: 10P)
Firearms SG (DP: 17, +2 Smartgun, +2 Specialization)
Dodge, Melee (DP: 25)
Dodge, Ranged Passive (DP: 14)
Dodge, Ranged Active (DP: 27)

Distance Running Fatigue Test (DP: 19, defaulted!)

Natural Armor of 4/5, which means he is rolling 10+ dice to soak in his birthday suit
Can hold his breath for over 2.5 hours without a roll

[InfinityzeN]

I think he said we have to make Humans. Also, what is the ruling on Adapsin? Can we have 2 levels of that before implanting everything else?

Adapsin has no levels.

[Bugfoxmaster]

Haha, this is heating up into some really amusing builds. I found the Fomori ghoul cyber-man very interesting, but I DID say to make a human. Also, Adapsin is cool - use it if you'd like.
To InfinityzeN - how'd you get all your skills to 7 and 8 with an aptitude only in Dodge? Sort of confused, though I'm probably missing a piece of ware somewhere in your build.
To make matters even crazier, I'm going to add a second challenge - anybody want to try their hand at making a really fucked up cyberzombie?

[InfinityzeN]

Reflex Recorder

And a CZ with unlimited budget gets out of hand really quickly.

[Bugfoxmaster]

Pretty much why I did it - this is purely for fun and speculation to see HOW out of hand it can get.

[McAllister]

No meta, no surge? Then how do I get arcane arrester? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

What would change if I took my build from troll to human... very little. Bump charisma up to 4, intuition up to 5 and edge up to 7. He gets a little nicer, a little quicker on the uptake, a good bit luckier and a little more agile (because we can now customize the cyberlimbs to 6, and augment them to 9) and loses a bunch of body and strength (but still has 11 and 10 respectively; go ghoulism!), a point of reach and arcane arrester. Overall a loss, but that's what would change.

I want to see what I'd put in the arms. The left arm would have the grenade launcher, an external clip port and 3 agility, and the right arm would have cyberspurs, 3 agility, 3 strength, a gyromount and 3 armor. I'm thinking a point of armor will usually be better than 2 points of agility, because they add together instead of being averaged and will lead to most damage being downtracked to stun.

Also, replace the sleep regulator with a pain editor. I forgot that the pain editor keeps you standing when stun overflows, whereas sideways (the genetic infusion) does not. Also, it helps a bit against spells.

EDIT: ooh, I forgot to add +2 to willpower for being a ghoul. Although I also forgot that charisma now hardcaps at 4, so I don't have the points for that. I guess I'll stick with 3 charisma, and add a 5/5 fixer contact. Between being able to use any skill like a pro (because if you can get all the activesofts, you can also get them all pluscoded and personalized) and having some good friends, the only barrier towards this guy being able to do his job is the fact that his appearance is a bit attention-getting.

[Cheops]

Adapsin has no levels.

Not technically but 2 treatments gets you a 10% reduction in Essence costs.

BTW, I love Unarmed Combat (Bitchslaps!)... I may have to rip that off at some point.

[McAllister]

I thought ONE treatment got you a 10% reduction in Essence costs, and there was no such thing as multiple treatments of geneware.

[Cheops]

Arsenal, 90

Adapsin reduces the Essence cost of implanting cyberware
(but not bioware) by 10% (round normally) if the subject has
previously undergone adapsin EPE treatment.

"If the subject as previously"

Note: previously was originally in italics in the book but wasn't preserved in my cut and paste. Requoted for emphasis. It also says that you cannot take it at character creation and thus falls under one of those "if the GM allows it" items and didn't want to assume (although stupid in hindsight with +100 Karma and unlimited cash <shrug>)

[McAllister]

Hmm, the way I read that was "Adapsin reduces the Essence cost of implanting cyberware (but not bioware) by 10% (round normally) if the subject has undergone adapsin EPE treatment PREVIOUSLY TO HAVING THE CYBERWARE INSTALLED." Meaning, adapsin applies to cyberware that's installed after the adapsin treatment, but not before. IIRC, there's no point in getting an adapsin treatment if you already have one.

[Tachi]

Me thinks McAllister needs "Spoiler" assistance. Don't look at me, I'm in no condidtion for that sort of thing.