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  Sep 12 2009, 02:34 AM
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Target  Group: Members Posts: 13 Joined: 26-January 09 From: Nashville, CAS Member No.: 16,813  |
In SR4, bioware improvements to attributes are no longer considered natural for the purposes of things that differentiate between natural and augmented values, correct?
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Sep 12 2009, 02:37 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,894 Joined: 11-May 09 Member No.: 17,166 |
They are considered "augmentations" in the same way that CyberWare is, and can exceed the racial maximum up to the augmented racial maximum. I'm not sure that's what you meant though...
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Sep 12 2009, 02:47 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 13 Joined: 26-January 09 From: Nashville, CAS Member No.: 16,813 |
Yeah, that's pretty much what I was asking. Mostly wondering about oddities like toxins, shapeshifting, etc.
Kind of a shame, as I always liked the "natural" stat improvement angle. |
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Sep 12 2009, 03:07 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,894 Joined: 11-May 09 Member No.: 17,166 |
QUOTE (Razor Wolf @ Sep 11 2009, 09:47 PM)  Yeah, that's pretty much what I was asking. Mostly wondering about oddities like toxins, shapeshifting, etc. Kind of a shame, as I always liked the "natural" stat improvement angle. The one that gets me, honestly, since you bring it up, is Shapeshift. You can only change into a critter withing two of your BODy, but BODy isn't always "size". And if you augment the stat, you're suddenly "too big"? I always figured for that spell you should use starting stat... improvements represent better health and endurance, not size and bulk. |
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Sep 12 2009, 03:25 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 13 Joined: 26-January 09 From: Nashville, CAS Member No.: 16,813 |
Agreed. I tend to think that if a character is large/small in metahuman form, they would simply be larger or smaller than the average representative of an animal's species. If anything, Strength should add more bulk than Body.
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Sep 12 2009, 10:20 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 704 Joined: 20-November 06 From: The seemingly unknown area of land between Seattle and Idaho. Member No.: 9,910 |
In order to deal with rules like this that make sense in a game balance way, but not in a common sense way, I like to use the following strategy:
1: Squint really, really, hard 2: Mumble the mantra "It's magic, It's magic, It's magic" 3: If all else fails engage in self-flagellation with a halibut |
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Sep 13 2009, 12:17 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 256 Joined: 27-July 09 From: Aurora Barrens, Denver Member No.: 17,433 |
QUOTE (crash2029 @ Sep 12 2009, 03:20 PM) In order to deal with rules like this that make sense in a game balance way, but not in a common sense way, I like to use the following strategy: 1: Squint really, really, hard 2: Mumble the mantra "It's magic, It's magic, It's magic" 3: If all else fails engage in self-flagellation with a halibut Hummm, halibut is expensive. Is it ok to us a slab of Krill instead? 2 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nuyen.gif) at the stuffer shack. |
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Sep 13 2009, 12:37 AM
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ghostrider Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,196 Joined: 16-May 04 Member No.: 6,333 |
Expensive, but if I'm going to self-flagellate, I only use the best.
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Sep 13 2009, 01:10 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,894 Joined: 11-May 09 Member No.: 17,166 |
I am SO totally not going anywhere near that.
Just remember, folks, that conducting your slar phase with your aquatic flagelatory device is counterindicated. (Translation: It's a bad idea to sleep with the fishes.) I think I'm just going to go narfle a Garthok now. "I've got to - ah ah - get ah-way; got to - ah ah - get ah-way!" |
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Sep 13 2009, 01:29 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,086 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 364 |
QUOTE (crash2029 @ Sep 12 2009, 06:20 PM) 3: If all else fails engage in self-flagellation with a halibut And here, I though that Carp was the fish of choice for the Shadowrun fandom since 22 October 1992 (21:03:17 CET). |
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Sep 13 2009, 01:35 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 141 Joined: 4-September 07 Member No.: 13,115 |
QUOTE (eidolon) Expensive, but if I'm going to self-flagellate, I only use the best. Careful... you'll go blind doing that. |
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Sep 13 2009, 02:04 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,086 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 364 |
QUOTE (Hartbaine @ Sep 12 2009, 09:35 PM) Careful... you'll go blind doing that. Just an excuse to upgrade to cybereyes sooner. |
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Sep 13 2009, 02:24 AM
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Grumpy Old Ork Decker Group: Admin Posts: 3,794 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Orwell, Ohio Member No.: 50 |
QUOTE (RunnerPaul @ Sep 12 2009, 08:29 PM) And here, I though that Carp was the fish of choice for the Shadowrun fandom since 22 October 1992 (21:03:17 CET). You know, I have to wonder how many folks here even know what you're talking about. *sigh* Sad, really. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif) Tea, Peanut Butter vs Vegemite, Woodchucks, Carp, Topcat's Manifesto... There's a lot of history there that's been mostly lost to cyberspace. :/ Bull |
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Sep 13 2009, 02:30 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 256 Joined: 27-July 09 From: Aurora Barrens, Denver Member No.: 17,433 |
QUOTE (Bull @ Sep 12 2009, 07:24 PM) You know, I have to wonder how many folks here even know what you're talking about. *sigh* Sad, really. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif) Tea, Peanut Butter vs Vegemite, Woodchucks, Carp, Topcat's Manifesto... There's a lot of history there that's been mostly lost to cyberspace. :/ Bull Ahhh but the resonance never forgets. |
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