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Shadowrun public chat this Saturday, September 19, Grill the new developer, then serve him with wasabi

Tachi View Member Profile	Sep 19 2009, 05:06 PM Post #26
Moving Target Group: Validating Posts: 664 Joined: 7-October 08 From: South-western UCAS border... Member No.: 16,449	Same here... No bueno...

Adam View Member Profile	Sep 19 2009, 05:13 PM Post #27
Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51	Well, my professional opinion is: fuck this broken shit! Everyone, hop into http://tinychat.com/shadowrundevchat for today's ad-hoc Shadowrun chat!

Dakhran the Dark View Member Profile	Sep 19 2009, 05:13 PM Post #28
Target Group: Members Posts: 81 Joined: 26-February 02 From: DC/NOVA, USA Member No.: 80	Oh, whew, I thought I was the only one, that my Java or firewall settings were screwed up...

Prime Mover View Member Profile	Sep 19 2009, 05:46 PM Post #29
Shooting Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,755 Joined: 5-September 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 9,313	Bizzare tinychat doing the same thing as regular SR chat site I see a half dozen post or so then get diconnected and it freezes. What would cause this, two totally different programs?

Janus View Member Profile	Sep 19 2009, 07:18 PM Post #30
Target Group: Members Posts: 26 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Japan Member No.: 938	It is the log of the chat. I hope it will work... It is 1st part. [ Spoiler ] [2:27] jm_hardy: This chat will be wild west style--I'll just be looking for questions as they come by. [2:27] adamjury: We will be using the tool of "politeness" to handle questions this time around. grin [2:27] bobbyd: Hey, show of hands: how many people want more fanservice in SR art? [2:27] canadianwolvie: Hey Bull, THANK YOU [2:27] shane: Query fanservice? [2:27] bull: Wolvie: Umm, you're welcome? I think? [2:27] penta: Massive boobs.(IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) [2:27] bull: And define Fanservice [2:27] chrysalis: BUll, can I have a chat with you at some point tonight? [2:27] bobbyd: Attractive people to look at in the art. For boys and girls. [2:27] dakhran: ...angry daisies? [2:28] kell1775: you mean like pictures of Ork Strippers? [2:28] bull: Bobby: I just want good Shadowrun art. That's fanservice in my book. [2:28] bobbyd: Cheesecake. Nothing x-rated. POssibly sliding into R-rated. [2:28] chrysalis: bobbyd, yes as long as it does not involve Nadja's nipples [2:28] shane: Ah. I'd prefer verisimilitude in the art; give us a proper mix of cute and OHMYFINGGODNO. [2:28] adamjury: For anyone wondering ... Bobby is _not_ our Art Director. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) [2:28] chrysalis: lol [2:28] bobbyd: Shane: so you saw the wendigo in Feral Cities? [2:28] bladerunner: ha [2:28] bull: THank god (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) [2:28] guest-7995 entered the room [2:28] jm_hardy: I'm coming up empty on the yacht capacity question. [2:28] guest-7995 changed nickname to sdaries [2:28] bobbyd: I wouldn't want that job. [2:28] guest-8010 entered the room [2:28] guest-8010 changed nickname to primemover [2:28] shane: I've not read all of Feral Cities. Yet. I'll have a look late ron. Should I have Prozac on hand? [2:29] bobbyd: I'd have to deal with artists, and artists hate me. [2:29] jm_hardy: I've seen the art being done for the Almanac. It makes me very happy. [2:29] evilref: For yacht capacity, i'd suggest google. There are a lot of yacht manufacturers out there who go into great detail on what their boats can handle [2:29] penta: JMHardy: Yeah, I've come up blank too, hence why I asked. [2:29] guest-8046 entered the room [2:29] bobbyd: For the wendigo? Dunno. Whatever level of self-medication works for you. [2:29] guest-8046 changed nickname to deadmetal [2:29] kalvan: Well, outside of the the Barrens, most people will more likely have central air conditioning, and in them, no one will be able to repair their fans unless they MacGyver something together. [2:29] kalvan: (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) [2:29] jm_hardy: And the draft cover image for the Almanac made Adam do unspeakable things to his laptop. [2:30] chrysalis: Ewww, is it still sticky? [2:30] adamjury: Oh, I was talking the entire time. [2:30] penta: Ewww, why was he doing that in the office? [2:30] kalvan: Arewe ready now? [2:30] bobbyd: Office? [2:30] tachi: Come on Adam, no taking it out on the inanimate objects... [2:30] bull: THe new art director is a sexy beast, as a note. And I love his outlook on SHadowrun Art. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) [2:30] jm_hardy: Hmm. So Adam is a talker. Good to know. [2:30] shane: This link: http://www.navis-yacht-charter.com/charter/ goes to some yachts with cpacity compare to length, Might help estimate. [2:31] jm_hardy: The new art director is absolutely ruthless in his quest for cool art. [2:31] penta: thanks shane [2:31] shane: You're welcome [2:31] guest-8125 entered the room [2:31] guest-8125 changed nickname to primemover [2:31] bobbyd: For which we are all thankful (frickin' teddy bears...) [2:31] canadianwolvie: Taking out stuff on inanimate objects is the best, I like punching bags and chopping wood are favorites of mine [2:32] deadmetal: well, for one, animate objects are likely to fight back [2:32] guest-8166 entered the room [2:32] canadianwolvie: Very true [2:32] guest-8178 entered the room [2:32] marwynn: Always a concern [2:32] guest-8178 changed nickname to coldan [2:32] guest-8166 changed nickname to bonikastjames [2:32] canadianwolvie: But sometimes that is the fun in it [2:32] canadianwolvie: Mmm, MMA [2:32] janus: Anyone, would like to tell me how to save this chat? clicking "Save chat" didn't work, at least in my case. [2:32] bull: Cut n Paste? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) [2:32] kell1775: highlight copy paste [2:32] bobbyd: Hey, John Shirley finally got Black Glass, the "lost cyberpunk novel" printed. Cool beans. [2:33] guest-8205 entered the room [2:33] guest-8205 changed nickname to stephenmcquilla [2:33] jm_hardy: 1 passenger for 2 points of Body might not be a terrible guideline. [2:33] bladerunner: nice [2:33] erik: cut and paste? that'll take awhile. [2:33] shane: Hey, anyone seem that new drug "Viagzac"? A mix of prozac and viagra; that way if you don't get a fk you don't give a fk... [2:33] bobbyd: (I say finally, but I mean "I just found out about it.") [2:33] chrysalis: Mhmm [2:33] kalvan: I guess that's a negative... [2:33] jm_hardy: Now that it's 12:33, we can start the "official" part of the chat. [2:34] erik: yay [2:34] canadianwolvie: Oh hey, who wants to hear a lil IRL SR related story? [2:34] deadmetal: after official bit [2:34] canadianwolvie: Cool [2:34] janus: bull: It works, so I'll do in the way. Thank you! [2:34] penta: 1 passenger per 2 points of body? Hmm, me like. [2:34] jm_hardy: So: Hi! I'm Jason Hardy, the new Shadowrun line developer. Ask me questions if you'd like! If not, I'm going to take a shower! [2:35] kalvan: So, Mr. Hardy, tell us about yourself a little. [2:35] jm_hardy: I've been writing and editing for various games for about nine years. [2:35] canadianwolvie: You may have to take a shower after we ask you questions [2:35] jm_hardy: Did some SR, BT, d20, and a few other things. [2:36] bobbyd: cough(BattleRun)cough [2:36] jm_hardy: I've written a SR novel, three MechWarrior: Dark Age novels, and two Crimson Skies novels. [2:36] canadianwolvie: Game mechanics, fiction, or office memo writing? [2:36] bookworm: what was your favorite product to work on? [2:36] canadianwolvie: Sweet! [2:36] jm_hardy: I wrote BattleRun. Thanks Bobby. [2:37] jm_hardy: I mostly have worked on the flavor and fiction side, though ocassionally on mechanics. [2:37] tachi: Is there a possibility of a Rigger4? [2:37] penta: Query: BattleRun? [2:37] jm_hardy: BattleRun is right near the top of the most fun products to work on. _Drops of Corruption_ is my favorite of the novels. [2:37] sdaries: What are your opinions on the Shadowrun/Earthdawn connection. Is it something you would like to develop more on or stay away from? I know thats one of the things people have strong views on. [2:38] stephenmcquilla: Penta--the 8th world, combination of Shadowrun and Battletech with a heaping of AWESOME [2:38] bobbyd: Penta:http://www.battlecorps.com/catalog/product_info.php? cPath=28&products_id=2259 [2:38] penta: Ahhh. [2:38] jm_hardy: BattleRun, the mash-up of Battletech and Shadowrun that was an April Fool's joke and ended up nominated for an ENnie. [2:38] penta: hehe. [2:38] adamjury: Jason used Shadowrun to make BattleTech cool. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) [2:38] canadianwolvie: Hehe [2:39] flak: Are there any new directions you'd like to try taking Shadowrun in or areas that haven't been covered you'd like to look at? [2:39] jm_hardy: The Shadowrun/Earthdawn connection exists, and I think it's fine for it to be there and occasionally influence the Sixth World. I'd rather not make it the _central emphasis_, or anything close to it, of the Sixth World. [2:39] adamjury: Okay. No more questions for a few minutes, while Jason catches up with the current ones. [2:40] jm_hardy: Rigger 4: I won't rule out the possibility of Rigger 4. But it's not in the immediate future. [2:40] jm_hardy: I think I'm caught up. [2:40] jm_hardy: Oh wait no--I missed flak's question. [2:41] guest-8544 entered the room [2:41] guest-8549 entered the room [2:41] guest-8549 changed nickname to primemover [2:41] guest-8544 changed nickname to yashugan [2:41] jm_hardy: There's lots to look at in Shadowrun, but I don't feel I need to reinvent it or anything. I think we've got good rules, cool gear, and a great setting --One of my first priorites is telling cool stories in that setting. [2:42] jm_hardy: People regularly mention Bug City, Renraku Shutdown, and Dunkelzahn's assasination. All of those things happened a while ago. I want something like that to happen again. [2:42] canadianwolvie: Awesome, the cool stories is what attracted this new comer to SR in the first place [2:43] dakhran: What's the word on space? Anything in the works? Eventually, runners will get a job that takes them up the gravity well, but right now, half or more of the players refuse to go, because it's instant death... [2:43] shane: Jason, you keep talking baout not reinventing, and carrying on the high quality that came before; I'd like to know, though, what bits if any you think you'd like to move in a different direction? [2:43] penta: Are we likely to see Errata for the advanced books like Arsenal to bring them into line with SR4A? [2:43] sdaries: Are there any plans for a new corps book? [2:43] guest-8645 entered the room [2:43] guest-8645 changed nickname to primemover [2:43] canadianwolvie: haha, question flood! [2:43] guest-8650 entered the room [2:43] guest-8650 changed nickname to kell1775 [2:43] guest-8667 entered the room [2:44] guest-8678 entered the room [2:44] guest-8678 changed nickname to primemover [2:44] guest-8693 entered the room [2:44] guest-8699 entered the room [2:44] jm_hardy: Dakhran: I keep hearing people wanting things about space, so I'll definitely have to look at it. If we have a plot that can go into space, then space rules would go with it, and that's something I'll definitely consider. [2:44] guest-8699 changed nickname to kell1775 [2:44] guest-8693 changed nickname to kenofghastria [2:44] guest-8724 entered the room [2:44] guest-8724 changed nickname to tycho [2:45] tachi: I'd like to see more on space vehicles as well. [2:45] buccaneer23: Question about after sales services: How long do you think it will take in the future to update the errata. I.g. the karma-gen rules from Runners Companion. [2:45] guest-8786 entered the room [2:45] guest-8786 changed nickname to primemover [2:46] guest-8794 entered the room [2:46] guest-8794 changed nickname to kell1775 [2:46] jm_hardy: Shane: The main thing is I want the characters in the world to be a little more active. I think too much of the world has become too settled or unchanging. I want people to be more aggressive out there, and for power to shift in interesting ways. [2:46] dakhran: In line with the space thing, any idea on how to keep Awakened characters from dying or going insane in space? It's hard to convince them to take a run that will kill them if they do what they're supposedly hired for (cast spells, use adept powers, etc)... [2:46] guest-8822 entered the room [2:46] guest-8823 entered the room [2:47] evilref: When (roughly, this year, 1st half next, 2nd half next etc?) can we expect the following, assuming theyre all still intended to be released: GMs guide, cities of intrigue, Sixth World Almanac, Vice, Corporate Guide, Runners Toolkit & Awakened Haunts ? [2:47] jm_hardy: Penta: I don't think I'm out of line saying that plans are in the works to re-issue all the core books. I'm not sure what text changes are being planned. [2:47] guest-8830 entered the room [2:47] guest-8834 entered the room [2:47] guest-8834 changed nickname to stephenmcquilla [2:47] guest-8830 changed nickname to ihateyou [2:47] yashugan: What is your favorite adventure in shadowrun? Which run would you recommend to introduce new players? I agree with introducing new events in the setting. [2:47] sdaries: Is there going to be a September Missions pdf? [2:48] guest-8876 entered the room [2:48] guest-8881 entered the room [2:48] jm_hardy: sdaries: Yes, there is a Corporate Guide that is in editing. [2:48] guest-8881 changed nickname to tycho [2:48] guest-8894 entered the room [2:48] adamjury: There is some errata for RC waiting to be released. It's small. I'll get it up soon. [2:48] guest-8876 changed nickname to disputator [2:48] guest-8900 entered the room [2:48] guest-8900 changed nickname to deadmetal [2:48] casazil: Shadowrun Missions is good stuff but any plans beyond the artifacts series for more pre-written adventures? [2:48] adamjury: We're running behind on the Missions series, but I'm in the process of making some changes to get us caught up. [2:48] kell1775: yes ala Ghost Cartels [2:49] disputator: what about runner's toolkit? [2:49] bladerunner: What about the potential of an expanded sheet for vehicles, or at least creating one with more room for mods? Maybe as a web release or something like that. [2:49] guest-8934 entered the room [2:49] guest-8934 changed nickname to primemover [2:49] guest-8936 entered the room [2:49] adamjury: Runner's Toolkit is still in production and will be printing overseas, so it's several months away. [2:49] disputator: and what about vice [2:49] disputator: ? [2:49] sdaries: thanks for the answers! [2:49] guest-8951 entered the room [2:49] guest-8957 entered the room [2:49] adamjury: Vice is in production, too. [2:49] jm_hardy: dakhran: I can't comment on what space rules would look like. I certainly haven't considered them yet. [2:50] guest-8957 changed nickname to sincereagape [2:50] guest-8974 entered the room [2:50] guest-8974 changed nickname to lurker [2:50] guest-8985 entered the room [2:50] coldan: Will be there an errata for the karma generation with the RC errata? And will it be out soon? [2:50] disputator: what does several months mean? like half a year? [2:50] otakusensei: Are we going to see more products like Digital Grimoire anytime soon? [2:50] canadianwolvie: I would like to recommend an idea for keeping magic in space as a fluff idea, find a way to bring life with you? Power foci? [2:50] adamjury: Less than half a year, in this case. But bear in mind that anything printed overseas takes 6-8 weeks just to ship (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) [2:51] jm_hardy: evilref: Vice and Corporate Guide this year/early next. [2:51] disputator: allright, thx! [2:51] jm_hardy: Runners Toolkit has been addressed. [2:51] jm_hardy: 6WA=next year. [2:51] disputator: what about the limited sr4a? [2:51] guest-9038 entered the room [2:51] guest-9038 changed nickname to primemover [2:52] shane: Jason, will you be looking at the UK in a product in the near(ish, subject to the usual vaguries of delays and RPG publishing) future? [2:52] erik: What's the biggest challenge in planning a book release? Writing? Art? Printing? Design? [2:52] guest-9068 entered the room [2:52] guest-9070 entered the room [2:52] guest-9070 changed nickname to kell1775 [2:52] guest-9068 changed nickname to scud [2:52] yashugan: I'm finding it hard to meet with other players, perhaps your website could have a map on which to pin runners. There are several tools online for this, but a tool on the website (holostreets?) would make this more popular. feasable? [2:53] adamjury: yashugan: There's a Shadowrun frappr map already. Let me dig up the link for you. [2:53] flak: Can you give us a rough idea of what we're likely to see in Cities of Intrigue and Awakened Haunts? [2:53] jm_hardy: Adventures: There will be more adventures after the Dawn of the Artifacts. Also, books like the War sourcebook will have strong adventure resources. [2:53] jm_hardy: Flak: At the moment, no. Sorry. [2:53] d3m0n4z: What about the new novels? Or a reprint of some old ones? [2:53] disputator: when is sr4a limited goin to s light of day? i#d like to see some pics of it before i buy...e [2:53] dakhran: yashugan: meetup.com is handy for finding gaming groups near you [2:54] evilref: War sourcebook - a la fields of fire, or something else? [2:54] adamjury: http://www.frappr.com/shadowrunmeetandgreet/map [2:54] jm_hardy: Ebooks: The Ebooks team has plans in the works. I don't know the details ye [2:54] sincereagape: Hi. Is there any possibility we can see a book dedicated to the Elven nations of Tir Taingire and Tir Na Nog? [2:55] guest-9168 entered the room [2:55] guest-9168 changed nickname to tachi [2:55] guest-9182 entered the room [2:55] guest-9182 changed nickname to kell1775 [2:55] erik: elven nations do need an update. [2:55] penta: How does you even pronounce tir tairngire?(IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) [2:55] erik: there have been hints. [2:55] penta: do you even... [2:55] jm_hardy: Novels: They are in the works. I've got one about 3/4 finished. No timeline yet, but things are moving ahead. [2:55] evilref: And as a general point. Great job on the Anniversary edition, because of it i've started a new campaign having not played since 3E, and 4 of my players have gone and bought all of the core books (which led to some shopping around to get some of them given the shortage in the uk for arsenal) [2:56] guest-9198 entered the room [2:56] evilref: damn, that was longer than intended in this small window [2:56] guest-9201 entered the room [2:56] guest-9201 changed nickname to tachi [2:56] yashugan: yes, FANTASTIC 4A job! [2:56] adamjury: After Sixth World Almanac lays the groundwork for many nations that haven't been covered in awhile, we'll look into further exploring some locations. [2:56] lurker: On that line, is there going to be any big movement along national lines? I really enjoyed the PCC vs Aztechnology overtoen in Corporate and would like to see a little bit more done with Shadowrun that's not fueled by Immortal Elves or dragons [2:56] penta: Agree with evilref. 4A kicked ass. [2:56] jm_hardy: As far as starting adventures go, it's predictable, but you can't go wrong with On the Run. [2:56] kenofghastria: Similar situation as eviref's: longtime fan who hadn't been since 3rd ed came out, but am recharged to run SR again after seeing the anniv edition. [2:57] guest-9242 entered the room [2:57] canadianwolvie: I love the stories that were put in SR4A [2:57] jm_hardy: For all time, you can't beat the eerie dread (as far as I'm concerned) of Renraku Shutdown. [2:57] shane: Jason, who is your favourite Shadowrun NPC? [2:57] flak: Ack, RL calls. Thanks for the answers so far. [2:57] guest-9242 changed nickname to stephenmcquilla [2:57] guest-9198 changed nickname to primemover [2:58] jm_hardy: Re: The Tirs, there should be some coverage of them in a plot/location/rules book coming in the future. [2:58] penta: Shutdown made me sleep with a nightlight... [2:58] chrysalis: jm, Renraku was the adventure which really bought me to Shadowrun, when can we expect a similar product? [2:58] d3m0n4z: Any news on limited sr4a? I want it sooooo bad... [2:58] tachi: Adam, I hope you plan to put up a transcript of this chat, cuz I just got wiped trying to click that link you put up. [2:58] jm_hardy: Shane: Winterhawk is fun to write for. And people like Plan 9 are a kick. [2:59] erik: I think it is pronounced "Teer Tarn-geer", btw, [2:59] jm_hardy: I honestly wish I had SR4A ltd news. But I don't. [2:59] shane: So news is, ahem, limited, then? [2:59] primemover: Any clarification on dartgun rules? eta on Augmentation errata? [2:59] shane: sorry [2:59] yashugan: Any room for a book on prime runners, i mean Realy intersting characters to use. There's so much detail on locations and so on, but the antagonists need so much of my time to flesh out. [2:59] jm_hardy: Chrysalis: Give me time . . . [2:59] erik: groan at shane

CanadianWolverin... CanadianWolverine View Member Profile	Sep 19 2009, 07:18 PM Post #31
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 574 Joined: 22-June 09 From: Ucluelet - Tofino - Nanaimo Salish-Sahide Council Member No.: 17,309	That was a lot of fun! Hope I wasn't too annoying. Klecko! Thank you! Merci beaucoup! Take care and happy hunting in all your games, Catalyst, Dumpshock, and fellow SR fans. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Janus View Member Profile	Sep 19 2009, 07:21 PM Post #32
Target Group: Members Posts: 26 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Japan Member No.: 938	It is 2nd part. [ Spoiler ] [3:00] evilref: From what's been said there are 4 books definitely looking like next year. What's the intended release schedule - X books a year, Y ebooks a year? [3:00] guest-9341 entered the room [3:00] jm_hardy: yashugan: There's Ebook possibilities there. [3:00] shane: Jason, any chance fo an opne-call style fan project for somethign like Prime Runners? [3:00] adamjury: evilref: At least 6 print books per yer, 12 missions adventures + other ebooks. [3:00] bladerunner: Any plans to develop more of a visable line between Riggers and Hackers. They seem to be less separated in 4th than they used to be. [3:01] disputator: what about sr4a limited??? [3:01] d3m0n4z: Is the 6WA going to cover European states as well? [3:01] jm_hardy: Bladerunner: No concrete plans. But I've at least given some loose thoughts to showing the Riggers some love. [3:01] adamjury: dispuator: We don't have any news on it. As soon as we do, we'll post it, promise. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) [3:01] bladerunner: Like a better vehicles sheet? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) [3:01] disputator: sry...wrote faster than i read , ) [3:02] stephenmcquilla: d3m0n4z--Yes. [3:02] guest-9441 entered the room [3:02] erik: What is the biggest challenge in producing a new book? Design? Art? Writing? Incorporating the metaplot? [3:02] guest-9452 entered the room [3:02] guest-9452 changed nickname to kell1775 [3:02] canadianwolvie: Riggers, I always wondered why they didn't have like a robot version of themselves, like that upcoming movie surrogates iirc [3:02] guest-9469 entered the room [3:02] d3m0n4z: stephenmcquilla: thanks [3:03] penta: How do you all keep the metaplot straight, even?(IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) [3:03] jm_hardy: Seven European nations are included in 6WA. [3:03] disputator: is there to be something like runner havens corporate enclaves and feral cities in the pipeline? [3:03] kalvan: Then we would be back to running from their Bedrooms/Back of the Van... ;} [3:03] jm_hardy: Erik: Yes. [3:03] erik: yeah, is there a "metaplot" wall with stick notes all over it? [3:03] adamjury: The next location book is the print release of Seattle 2072, disputator. [3:03] erik: sticky notes [3:04] chrysalis: Will, we see a sourcebook on the middle-east/North Africa, or only key locations such as Dubai? [3:04] guest-9522 entered the room [3:04] yashugan: what is 6wa? [3:04] jm_hardy: penta: There is an ever-growing metaplot file on my computer. And there is Bobby Derie and Marc Tassin, the walking walls of information. [3:04] shane: Sixth World Almanac. [3:04] bull: ((Maybe we should pause to let Jason catch up (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) ) [3:04] vertaxis: Will we see a sourcebook on Cetralk and South America that isn't SoLA? [3:04] disputator: sure...but i meant something more focusing on hotspots like the books i mentioned before...cause seattle 2072 won [3:04] guest-9522 changed nickname to tycho [3:04] evilref: Thanks Adam, that sounds reasonable for a well-supported line [3:04] jm_hardy: 6WA=Sixth World Almanac. [3:05] guest-9552 entered the room [3:05] buccaneer23: Will you coordinate the description for the european states from 6WA with the local publishers? E.g. Blackbook and Pegasus? [3:05] guest-9577 entered the room [3:05] guest-9577 changed nickname to primemover [3:05] lurker: btw for those of you not lucky enough to get to Gencon, Seattle 2072 is awesome and i say that not even running campaigns in seattle normally [3:05] guest-9552 changed nickname to warrenlocke [3:05] guest-9590 entered the room [3:05] disputator: sure...but i meant something more focusing on hotspots like the books i mentioned before...cause seattle 2072 won't be published in germany...so i mean something which pegasus will put more stuff in...like corporate enclaves ; ) [3:05] guest-9590 changed nickname to matsci [3:06] guest-9606 entered the room [3:06] guest-9606 changed nickname to thilban [3:06] disputator: hell...i write so fast my english is gettin worse with every word i write... [3:06] adamjury: disputator: You'd need to ask Pegasus about that, then. [3:06] jm_hardy: Re: books like Corp Enclaves and Feral Cities, I think the format is going to change. Rather than sheer location books, we'll have books that integrate location info with metaplot stuff, gear, new rules, etc. That's one of the things the War sourcebook is supposed to accomplish. [3:06] guest-9638 entered the room [3:06] canadianwolvie: As someone who enjoys reading Atlases, I sincerly hope a Sixth World Almanac would be like an Atlas (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) [3:06] lurker: War sourcebook, did i miss something for coming in late [3:06] evilref: JH, dare we hope the war will be the Amazon? [3:06] guest-9638 changed nickname to plague [3:07] guest-9672 entered the room [3:07] penta: evilref: I think that'd be telling.(IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) [3:07] guest-9672 changed nickname to primemover [3:07] d3m0n4z: Any chance about some book/e-book covering metaplanes or describing initiation/submersion in greater details? [3:07] yashugan: Going against Aztechnology would be awesome [3:07] disputator: thx jason! you answered my question properly... [3:07] jm_hardy: Vertaxis: There's lots of Central and South America stuff in 6WA. I wrote information on Argentina and a story set in Amazonia, and there's plenty of other stuff. [3:07] disputator: and when is the war sourcebook to be released [3:08] disputator: ? [3:08] adamjury: War! is a 2010 release. [3:08] guest-9715 entered the room [3:08] guest-9715 changed nickname to kell1775 [3:08] jm_hardy: evilref: I ain't sayin'. [3:08] guest-9725 entered the room [3:08] canadianwolvie: I drool to think of reading about NAN, especially Salish-Sidhe [3:08] guest-9725 changed nickname to static [3:08] bladerunner: I'd be interested in some CAS sections too [3:09] canadianwolvie: NAN fight amongst each other, right? Shadowrun potential, eh? [3:09] jm_hardy: d3m0n4z: There is loose talk of covering some more magic stuff, but at the moment it is loose. But at least there's talk. [3:09] erik: basically everyone wants everything. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) [3:09] canadianwolvie: Hehe [3:09] tycho: What is the content of the "War!" book? [3:09] adamjury: erik: except for the ones that say we release too much and break their wallets. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) [3:09] plague: the more fluff and background info to use the better [3:09] yashugan: with 6 books a year and more ebooks, it looks like we 're getting everything [3:10] tachi: We don't her much about the CAS or the Boston/DC magasprawl these days either [3:10] bladerunner: Yeah [3:11] d3m0n4z: jason - thanks for answering mz questions [3:11] guest-9848 entered the room [3:11] jm_hardy: 6WA country info includes basic demographic stats, brief history, major cities, special locations, and insider shadotalk info. You get that for almost 40 nations. [3:11] guest-9862 entered the room [3:11] kalvan: For that matter, the only thing we hear abt the midwest is Chi-town. [3:11] guest-9862 changed nickname to bobby [3:11] canadianwolvie: I think is why that SR web mag thing mentioned in Dumpshock is fantastic idea, when Earth SR 2072 is your playground, that is a lot of ground to cover, eh? [3:12] guest-9875 entered the room [3:12] guest-9887 entered the room [3:12] guest-9887 changed nickname to kell1775 [3:12] stephenmcquilla: Buccaneer23--I've worked closely with our European freelancers on different projects to make sure that what I'm writing matches the advances they've done on their lines. [3:12] jm_hardy: We have a whole world to cover, and we can't get to everything. We apologize. [3:12] guest-9875 changed nickname to bobby [3:12] evilref: I'd hope that ebooks will cover all the 'we don't hear much about X', albeit while the production costs are lower, they still take edit and layout time [3:12] guest-9894 entered the room [3:12] guest-9901 entered the room [3:12] canadianwolvie: Very true [3:12] guest-9901 changed nickname to dakhran [3:13] adamjury: And of course, ebooks still have the same "gotta make sure this ties in properly with the plot" research-and-factchecking demands. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) [3:13] d3m0n4z: About 6WA. Can I hope about a chapter regarding Czech Republic? [3:13] jm_hardy: The writing on the Almanac was done before I came on as dev, so I can't say what coordination was done. I do know, though, that the fact-checking has been intensive. Like, Customs-when-you-lost-your-passport intensive. [3:13] evilref: yep, from extensive experience, printing is easy, getting it to the point to go to print is the hard part [3:13] adamjury: I've said it before, but "writing for Shadowrun" is often as much "Researching for Shadowrun" as it is writing. [3:13] shane: Jason, if you could write your dream product (and no, I am not goign to assuem your answer is comitting to it) what would it be called and what would it cover? [3:13] guest-9952 entered the room [3:13] guest-9952 changed nickname to marwynn [3:13] jm_hardy: d3m0n4z: Yes. Yes you can. [3:14] jm_hardy: Shane: It would be called Battlerun. [3:14] bladerunner: JM: Like they shook people down and checked thier shoes for bombs kinda customs check? [3:14] guest-9970 entered the room [3:14] guest-9970 changed nickname to kell1775 [3:14] tachi: Probably more like, body-cavity-search, kinda customs check [3:14] guest-10004 entered the room [3:14] bladerunner: That's professional [3:14] canadianwolvie: With writing for SR being so fact checking intensive, does that take some of the fun out of it? For me as a new comer, wanting to GM, I am just kinda making stuff up, guessing and its obvious you don't have that luxury, eh? [3:15] guest-10004 changed nickname to stephenmcquilla [3:15] jm_hardy: bladerunner:What tachi said. [3:15] d3m0n4z: jason - Splendid. You just made my day. [3:15] penta: Adam: So being a paralegal would help me write for Shadowrun?(IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) [3:15] guest-10032 entered the room [3:15] guest-10032 changed nickname to marwynn [3:15] tachi: couldn't hurt [3:15] jm_hardy: canadianwolvie: Kind of, but that's the burden of a shared world, and in the end it's part of the fun, too--you're building an intensive, rich history, so you have a duty to get it right.

Janus View Member Profile	Sep 19 2009, 07:25 PM Post #33
Target Group: Members Posts: 26 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Japan Member No.: 938	It is 3rd part. [ Spoiler ] [3:16] jm_hardy: And research has always been a part of any writing I do, and I kind of enjoy it. [3:16] bladerunner: And SR lunatics like some us read every line [3:16] guest-10074 entered the room [3:16] canadianwolvie: I kinda feel like that when I want to be a GM, I want to be true to the shared experience [3:16] guest-10074 changed nickname to bobby [3:16] jm_hardy: But on the other hand, that was part of the fun of Battlerun--whatever I made up, was accurate. And if I didn't feel like doing work, like research of stats, I just wrote that I didn't feel like doing it. But I can't get away with that all the time. [3:17] adamjury: I think that when you GM, you should do whatever necessary to make things kick ass at your table. Let everyone else worry about their own game. [3:17] erik: yeah. you don't want ro rob players of the world, so you spend hours reading source meaterial. [3:17] lurker: What would you say is your greatest challenge trying to come up with new stuff? [3:17] yashugan: In terms of moving on the events, Renraku rates right up there, Ghost Cartels is interesting, any hints on what direction is to follow? Political, major AAA status upheavals, perhaps environmental? ... hints? [3:18] shane: What is the daftest product that you guys have ever bene pitched for SR? (any of the devs, naturally) [3:18] jm_hardy: Greatest challenge: keeping it in line with what is already going on, making it cool while keeping it plausible. [3:18] adamjury: That story requires purchase of a vodka/red bull, shane. [3:18] canadianwolvie: Hey yash, lets make up our own stuff and submit the idea or is it like Catalyst likes to do it themself and then tell us? [3:18] guest-10172 entered the room [3:18] tachi: Any word on a new "official" Character Dossier [3:18] tachi: ? [3:18] guest-10182 entered the room [3:18] shane: Adam: if I ever make a US con I'll remember that. [3:19] bull: Shane: Some of the stuff pitched for Year of the Comet was... Wow. Yeah. There were a lot of really crazy ideas that made Ghostwalker, Shedim, and SURGE look tame and normal (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) [3:19] guest-10172 changed nickname to misterboook [3:19] erik: good question from tachi [3:19] misterboook: Am I too late? [3:19] plague: So when are they finally going to put out a chargen program (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) [3:19] adamjury: tachi: if there is one, it will be PDF only. [3:19] guest-10182 changed nickname to collateral [3:19] d3m0n4z: Are we getting any (sexy) female trolls art in the upcoming books? [3:19] jm_hardy: yashugan: The next significant plot book is called War (or perhaps War!). That's your hint. [3:19] tachi: works [3:19] shane: War, huh> [3:19] adamjury: plague: we're working on the [crazy big] licensing hassles. [3:19] dakhran: Any plans for scenarios or resources for low-level "gritty" campaigns? Say someone is using a low starting point value to make ganger runner-wannabes... [3:20] jm_hardy: plague: Electronics rights issues are complicated. [3:20] canadianwolvie: I'm sorry to hear that [3:20] penta: sexy female trolls: isn't that an oxymoron?(IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) [3:20] misterboook: Do we ask questions or send them to someone and have them post them for us? [3:20] erik: just fire away. [3:20] d3m0n4z: sexy female trolls rocks (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) [3:20] dakhran: I miss Food Fight... [3:20] adamjury: sexy female trolls is not an oxymoron. [3:20] tachi: beauty is in the eye of the beholder [3:20] jm_hardy: dakhran: Yes, SR Missions. [3:20] chrysalis: trollops? [3:20] yashugan: War! it is , thanks omae [3:21] bobbyd: Misterbook: No moderation in here. Just post your question and hopefully Jason'll get to 'em. [3:21] canadianwolvie: I really need the electronic version of SR4A, because I feel like I am in the backwoods when it comes to finding fellow SR fans, I feel I need that online component of a game session [3:21] tachi: LOL Chrysalis [3:21] vertaxis: ther are no Beholders in this game [3:21] misterboook: Are Technomancers going to be re-worked to be as viable as a hacker is in chargen? As it stands now pretty much everyone acts like they're second class Matrix runners. [3:21] adamjury: dak: you mean... the totally free adventure we have at shadowrun4.com/quickstart - that food fight? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) [3:21] canadianwolvie: Like, I would love to just start gaming with you guys right now in this chat room, I am that desperate (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) [3:21] kalvan: If anyone (other than Microsoft, of course) were to come to you for informational and moral support in making a Shadowrun video or computer game, how would you react? [3:21] jm_hardy: But forthcoming plot books will have resources for keeping low-level, gritty campaigns going. [3:22] d3m0n4z: I agree. Technomancer need some tweaking... [3:22] jm_hardy: I want big events to happen, but I don't want everyone having to do runs near the top of those big events--the point will be to show how the big events affect runners of all levels. [3:22] yashugan: So how do people run online? I've always wondered, some IRC client? or a special program? [3:22] adamjury: kalvan: Smith & Tinker has the SR rights at the moment. Hopefully if they do anything, we'll work together to make things awesome. [3:22] guest-10326 entered the room [3:22] guest-10326 changed nickname to bobby [3:22] jm_hardy: Informational and moral support is great. But it doesn't hold a candle to legal support . . . [3:22] canadianwolvie: I hope so too [3:22] vertaxis: Speaking of video games... Is there a new Shadowrun video game of MMO in the works? [3:23] penta: yashugan: It depends, there are a scad of MU*s, there's forum RP... [3:23] plague: I play in a group that does it online. two irc rooms, one for ooc and rolls, one for ic and voice chat. works well. [3:23] dakhran: adam: yeah that one, but once you run it once, it loses it's charm. I've rethemed it a number of times, but still, it's one of the only "wannabes vs. gangers" scenarios out there... [3:23] yashugan: S&T: I read their release/news page, its unlikely in the near future [3:23] tachi: If you guys do agree to a VGame it should be a RPG or Fallout like, NOT A SHOOTER [3:23] bull: Yashugan: PLay by Post on DUmpshock (And a couple other sites)< there's a couple IRC channels kicking around. MUSHes, Skype. [3:23] marwynn: An MMORPG would be awesome, and yes stressing the "RPG" part not the mindless grinding [3:23] jm_hardy: I think someone asked about an Ebook character Dossier. I don't have details on the Ebook stream yet. [3:23] adamjury: Smith & Tinker do want to wait until the memory of the FASA Studios Shadowrun game fades from people's minds [and from retailer's minds...] before working on a new SR game. [3:24] bladerunner: So..about that expanded vehicle sheet for Riggers? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) [3:24] misterboook: Heck, I want to find a Shadowrun game. I've READ Shadowrun and collected the books since 1st edition and so far I have played in maybe ten sessions... [3:24] canadianwolvie: Tell them it already has [3:24] marwynn: Indeed [3:24] marwynn: Violently expunged from people's minds too [3:24] jm_hardy: I sadly have absolutely no control over and SR videogame. But Catalyst in general has a good relationship with Smith and Tinker, and I've worked with them before. We will be patient. [3:24] tachi: Brain floss must be invented for memories like that VGame. [3:24] plague: yeah, forgotten via brain anurism and sudden blackouts

Janus View Member Profile	Sep 19 2009, 07:27 PM Post #34
Target Group: Members Posts: 26 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Japan Member No.: 938	It is 4th part. [ Spoiler ] [3:25] adamjury: bladerunner: What should it have? Can't you scribble one out yourself that fits your needs way better than we can? It's hard to make sheets that match everyone's needs! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) [3:25] jm_hardy: bladerunner: I'm thinking about what we can do for the Riggers, but that has not yet become a specific plan. [3:25] canadianwolvie: Did you notice that the only thing that kept it in the lime light was that funny Machinema from the Rooster guys who did Red vs Blue? [3:25] bladerunner: I could, or it could be made to expand the mods section [3:25] guest-10461 entered the room [3:25] misterboook: Even they gave up on it.. [3:25] bladerunner: Or just make my own, and email it to ya (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) [3:25] plague: 1800magic? [3:26] canadianwolvie: How about other avenues for improving your profile? Does Catalyst have a facebook / youtube / twitter thing? [3:26] adamjury: facebook.com/shadowrun and twitter.com/catalystgamelab -- we're active on both. [3:26] penta: JH: Has there ever been an SR product that made you want to apologize to the fans for its release? [3:26] canadianwolvie: Yeah, that's right plague, it was a the story, the role playing that made that thing sweet [3:26] jm_hardy: Ooo, Adam beat me to the info. [3:26] canadianwolvie: Good on you guys [3:26] guest-10531 entered the room [3:26] yashugan: Not to kick a fuss, but i actualy play Shadowrun daily. It's a fun game if you can take out the crushing weight of shadowrun canon/expectations [3:27] guest-10531 changed nickname to hetzakoatl [3:27] misterboook: I missed the reply, if any to the technomancer "issue" and lower tiered Shadowrun type adventures. [3:27] hetzakoatl: Heh. [3:27] jm_hardy: penta: Given that none have been released since I've been dev, no. [3:28] evilref: I'm baffled at how Technos can be thought of as less-than-hackers. Albeit that might be because of having read Unwired [3:28] hetzakoatl: Canon, as with anything in an RPG, is merely a guideline. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Following it religiously can lead to bad things. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) Or good ones, depending. [3:28] adamjury: misterbook: The Shadowrun Missions PDF series is generally lower-powered than the adventures/plotbooks we release in print. [3:28] jm_hardy: misterboook: I mentioned Missions for lower-leveled stuff, along with hte fact that plot books will have resources to use for adventures at all levels. [3:28] jm_hardy: I don't have technomancer tweaks in mind at this point. Honestly, messing around with core rules now that SR4A just came out is not high on my radar. [3:28] canadianwolvie: Okay, here is an idea/question: Are you guys able to see other ways of promoting the bad ass that is SR? Like say online/printed graphic novels or anime movies? [3:28] misterboook: Too bad. [3:29] shane: Can I suggest an intro product designed to be bought by (or for) new to SR players, somethign short, nice and colourful, that can be given to a newbie to get them up to speed on the setting and concepts without throwing a full rulebook at them? [3:29] misterboook: The Otaku did what the Technomancer is trying so badly to be. They got "revised" for this new magi...er..wireless Matrix. [3:29] adamjury: misterbook: Go nuts with the house rules. It's YOUR game. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) [3:29] canadianwolvie: Like some sort of SR board game? [3:29] erik: shane: like the quick start rules? [3:29] adamjury: shane: Such a thing has been discussed ... [3:29] evilref: So, JH, You've just become the SR developer, most of the books for next year are planned already, some are written, some have art done and even layout. What _is_ on your radar? What do the next three months look like for you? [3:29] yashugan: Isn't there an aware wining introduction to shadowrun 4th edition? [3:29] jm_hardy: I think we need to get the novels out first, then we can think about other promotional things. But there are some other fun ideas kicking around . . . [3:29] misterboook: What game? I'm stuck in D&D hell out here in the boonies (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Janus View Member Profile	Sep 19 2009, 07:29 PM Post #35
Target Group: Members Posts: 26 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Japan Member No.: 938	It is 5th part. [ Spoiler ] [3:30] shane: No erik, not really rules-y, a setting and concept intro. [3:30] hetzakoatl: Oooh, more novels! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) [3:30] guest-10708 entered the room [3:30] guest-10708 changed nickname to bobby [3:30] marwynn: Would the new novels be written to attract newcomers? Not dumbed down of course but as an intro to the SR world. [3:30] shane: Jason, can we expect novels with a lower-tier bent under your tenure? [3:30] chrysalis: Will novels be available in odf format as well? [3:30] canadianwolvie: I feel for ya misterbook, similar situation here [3:31] adamjury: The novels will surely be available electronically, but we haven't finalized what formats. [3:31] jm_hardy: evilref: Some internal stuff that's not interesting to players. Reviewing proposals following up on a new RFP I just put out. Proofing products that are finishing in layout. Finishing my novel. [3:31] tachi: Make a movie, hell, if a studio picks it up you could find a gonzo # of extras from Dumpshock (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) [3:31] misterboook: Okay, I got a nutsy idea about novels.. [3:31] evilref: Shane/Misterbook - look into virtual tabletops such as maptool, fantasygrounds etc - with voice, maps etc it's pretty close to being around a table together [3:31] kalvan: Any ideas for a Sperethiel or Or'zet dictionary? [3:31] misterboook: Any thoughts on maybe audio books? [3:31] evilref: RFP? [3:31] jm_hardy: shane: My novel is street level. Cayman and X-Prime make their third appearance! [3:31] shane: Evilref, I have a fortnightly SR game. You must be mixing me up... [3:32] adamjury: tachi: any movie we would make ourselves would have production values lower than The Guild. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) [3:32] evilref: Yeah, sorry Shane, meant Canadianwolvie, your name was what I read as I typed [3:32] guest-10803 entered the room [3:32] jm_hardy: kalvan: I don't think a dictionary is high on my list of possible products right now. [3:32] misterboook: Hey now don't down on The Guild. [3:32] d3m0n4z: Sorry my question, but what is SR:Vice about? [3:32] guest-10803 changed nickname to seltzerking [3:32] misterboook: You could do at least as well as The Gamers: Dorkness Rising. [3:32] evilref: And JH, as a managing editor, I'd probably find the internal stuff interesting on a professional level, but not a player/gm one no (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) [3:33] kalvan: Possibly linking them to Proto-Basque and Proto-Altaic? [3:33] shane: Its the Miami Vice-inspired drug cop book. [3:33] kalvan: respectively [3:33] shane: (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) [3:33] d3m0n4z: shane - thx [3:33] tachi: Adam: true, but if you wait till summer, those of us in college whould probably be willing to help. [3:33] jm_hardy: misterboook: The details on novels are under John Helfers' purview, so I don't know what exactly he's looked at. [3:33] adamjury: Oh, I enjoy The Guild. But if you think we have the resources to make a movie ... I think you're overestimating how large Catalyst is. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) [3:33] shane: I was kidding you on, Demonaz, it's a crime book as far as I saw on Dum,pshock. [3:33] adamjury: Vice is all about organized crime. [3:33] jm_hardy: d3m0n4z: Vice is organized crime of all sorts. [3:34] adamjury: Mafia, yakuza, Vory, RIAA ... well, 3 out of 4 isn't bad. [3:34] yashugan: I think Catalyst has really upped their game lately, with new products and full colour releases. This is bound to bring in new players. If Catalyst released a tool to bring players together, they'd also improve sales. the more the game is played, the more people are likely to be pulled in. [3:34] chrysalis: kalvan, making up a language is an immense process, even one which is based on an existing ancient language. [3:34] kell1775: ETA on Vice? [3:34] dakhran: if a character generator is out of the question atm, what about the possibility of a SR character sheet for the iPhone? [3:34] erik: (homer simpson voice) mmm.... organized crime. [3:34] d3m0n4z: ok, thanks [3:34] misterboook: Audio books are fantastic. I ride a motorcycler, so I can plug in my iPod, hit the road and cruise. Three hours one way, two hour layover, three hours back that's a book. [3:34] jm_hardy: Dammit, how does Jury keep getting his responses out faster than me? [3:34] marwynn: Mind Probe? [3:34] erik: jury is fast. [3:34] adamjury: Vice will be out this year. [3:34] guest-10868 entered the room [3:34] guest-10868 changed nickname to bobby [3:34] bladerunner: Simsense Booster [3:34] plague: hurrah [3:34] marwynn: He knows before we ask [3:35] kell1775: ty [3:35] adamjury: dakhran: A character generator isn't out of the question -- it's just a /complicated/ question. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) [3:35] shane: Adam is Deus. [3:35] erik: jury is running hot sim. [3:35] canadianwolvie: I wouldn't suggest you guys make the movie, but does any of you ever write scripts of one for fun that maybe you could find some guerilla film maker to do for you from the fan base, a lot of PC game properties with rabid fan bases seem to end up with them [3:35] vertaxis: adam is a fork of Wolfram Alpha [3:35] casazil: there is a nice char-gen on dumpshock called daisy box [3:35] adamjury: This has taken a strange direction. [3:35] dakhran: I'm getting very attached to my commlink, err, iPhone... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) [3:35] jm_hardy: yashugan: We have the demo team site that lets people find events in their area, but it's underused. We're working on improving it and having it used more. [3:36] canadianwolvie: I stumbled across some SR fan made films rescently and it was Awesome [3:36] yashugan: Wow, awesome, thank you [3:36] kell1775: free form chaos welcome to the shadows chummer [3:36] shane: Am I the only person who can't bring himself to say "chummer" when GMing? [3:36] kenofghastria: Canadianwolvie, where? On YouTube, I presume? [3:36] yashugan: not to mention the Larp, i whish i had their costume making talents [3:36] misterboook: RFIDs and AR Spam, any hope in the future that this Glampunk/Anime influence will be downplayed? [3:36] kalvan: No, Shane! [3:36] yashugan: There's a Shadowrun Larp on youtube [3:36] tachi: No, I don't say frag or drek either [3:37] canadianwolvie: Here, let me find the links Keno [3:37] erik: i actually like that the old SR slang terms were axed. [3:37] guest-10920 entered the room [3:37] guest-10920 changed nickname to bobby [3:37] jm_hardy: marwynn: The new novels will help bring people in, yeah. But they should have plenty of good stuff for existing fans, too. [3:37] adamjury: I highly encourage people to search flickr for 'shadowrun', too -- bunch of LARP pics, character art, etc. [3:37] evilref: And Adam, great news on Vice being this year, does that mean stores this year, or pdf out this year? [3:37] shane: Any chance that the novels could be supported by ebooks with small writeups of the locations, chaarcters, tech etc, in them? [3:37] dakhran: Any news on NERPS? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) [3:37] bladerunner: heh [3:37] misterboook: Shane, good idea, like how Dragonlance got started. [3:37] adamjury: evilref: We don't have a street date yet, but it should hit stores this year. [3:38] yashugan: Any ETA for Seattle 2072 for the UK? [3:38] tachi: Adam, Since I have you pinned down for the moment... What the fuck is a NERPS? [3:38] adamjury: There is no street date for Seattle 2072 yet. It's in the shipping process. As soon as we have one, we'll post it. [3:38] marwynn: Good to hear, when I buy them I can lend them to other people to draw them in... muhahaha [3:38] adamjury: NERPS is whatever you want it to be. [3:38] misterboook: Net Enhancement for RPing Shadowrun [3:38] jm_hardy: misterboook: Honestly, I've seen the characterization of AR spam as "anime," and it puzzles me. I get spam in every single electronic outlet I use, so AR spam is a fact of 2072 life. Do people object to the way it has been portrayed? [3:38] tachi: That's what I thought, omniproduct delux [3:39] guest-10987 entered the room [3:39] marwynn: perhaps it should be portrayed as more... invasive than just spam [3:39] yashugan: I'm linking to the frappr site where i just posted myself for shadowrun meets. http://www.frappr.com/shadowrunmeetandgreet/map [3:39] guest-10987 changed nickname to slyck [3:39] bladerunner: I think the concern could be that SR is getting to clsoe to Animein some reguards [3:39] d3m0n4z: About the limited sr4a once again. Any estimated date when it's out? Come on... If it's out this year wink once, if it's out this October wink twice... Please? [3:39] misterboook: I think its overly saturated. I, personally, never get spam. I have a throaway email I use for registering stuff and a real email. So I think its a little frustrating that you essentially need to install a pop-up blocker in your runner's forebrain. [3:39] bladerunner: I think it's all the way you choose to set the setting for players though

Janus View Member Profile	Sep 19 2009, 07:30 PM Post #36
Target Group: Members Posts: 26 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Japan Member No.: 938	It is 6th part. [ Spoiler ] [3:40] misterboook: Its too invasive, it destracts from the Cyberpunk feel. [3:40] misterboook: Its like Superhero games. [3:40] bladerunner: So don't play it that way [3:40] tachi: Not at my table it's not... [3:40] evilref: I love the spam aspect [3:41] plague: it's hilariously worse in eclipse phase where it's described as a blinding mist of ads. [3:41] misterboook: I like games that are set in Gotham City, or Hell's Kitchen. I don't want to play Plastic Man, etc. [3:41] bobbyd: Misterboook: I gotta disagree. Remember the three-story ads in Bladerunner? [3:41] marwynn: Man, and I thought it wasn't invasive enough... [3:41] canadianwolvie: Here, the fan made movies I found thanks to Dumpshock recently: Quebec ---> http://www.shadowrunmovie.com/accueil_en.php Germany ---> http://www.filmliga-franken.de/tor3film.html [3:41] jm_hardy: We'll see what kind of connections we can make from the novels to Ebooks. We're trying to set them in locations that have some data already available or infomration forthcoming. [3:41] guest-11048 entered the room [3:41] bladerunner: Sure, that's downtown though [3:41] yashugan: Ooooooooh!!! someone said the EC word! [3:41] misterboook: Yeah but were they following him around zipping at his head? [3:41] adamjury: The Sixth World is a very versatile setting. It can accomodate all sorts of play styles. [3:41] evilref: My players are all carrying two commlinks for reasons such as spam. And i'm going to be coming up with spoof ads each week based on where they've been/what they've searched for [3:41] jm_hardy: bobbyd: Exactly! Visual clutter, if done right, can have a very gritty feel. [3:41] misterboook: AR spam just strikes me as adding silly to a game. [3:41] bobbyd: Bladerunner: And there's parts of New York where every available surface is covered by stickers for phone sex and personal massages. [3:42] bladerunner: Indeed [3:42] bladerunner: Got any good numbers? [3:42] tachi: hehe [3:42] bobbyd: I have Jenny's here somewhere... [3:42] evilref: I don't see how it's silly, but not every game's the same, so just ignore it. It's hardly a major feature, it's flavour, not essential. [3:42] marwynn: I disagree, it'll be an inevitability once AR hits the streets in RL [3:42] marwynn: but yes ignore it [3:42] bladerunner: I'm not arguing against AR spam, hell run a Analyze and filter it out [3:42] kenofghastria: CanadianWolvie, thanks for the movie link. [3:42] jm_hardy: My favorite phone sex number from New York (just based on it's name, not on having called it): 976-DUCK. [3:43] bladerunner: nice [3:43] jm_hardy: I don't want to know who is on the other end of the line when you call that one. [3:43] erik: donald [3:43] misterboook: You can only ignore what your GM allows you to ignore. Its an established part of the game and if you're stuck with a lock step GM you're going to be stuck with AR spam. [3:43] chrysalis: Donald? [3:43] stephenmcquilla: Howard [3:43] bull: Howard [3:43] tachi: Never called it? Yeah, right... [3:43] penta: Quack, quack, baby... [3:43] bladerunner: Book: agreed if your GM isnt willing to play ball, then you've got a problem [3:43] evilref: So tonight on Srun-Dev-Chat, we learned that Jennifer won't wear elf ears, Adam answers questions faster than anyone, and jm_hardy's favourite sex-line number is... [3:43] yashugan: Hoi Jason, good luck with your new appointment, as you can tell, SR fans want everything, now, and then some. So clearly, good luck [3:43] misterboook: SR3 had it right, SR4 has gone a little nuts. [3:44] guest-11130 entered the room [3:44] shane: AR spam is a greta occasional aside or amusement, but just like jack bauer doesn't spend half an episode of 24 deleting spam e-mails it doesn't have to be done in-play. [3:44] adamjury: misterboook: there's going to be stuff in every game that isn't fun for everyone if they're dealing with a GM that won't be flexible towards what the players want. [3:44] canadianwolvie: Hmm, I kinda like the AR spam thing, it sets urban apart from the less tech areas, its a different type of inflitration and camoflage [3:44] tachi: You're definately gonna have to post a transcript of this Adam. [3:44] guest-11130 changed nickname to tycho [3:44] guest-11154 entered the room [3:44] evilref: So, moving on from AR Spam, are there any guidelines on what's looked for with regard to ebook submissions or ideas. Or is the whole ebook part of Srun products still shaking itself down? [3:45] misterboook: I'm just looking at First Run here. [3:45] jm_hardy: HOnestly, if spam is that intrusive it sounds to me like a implementation problem. [3:45] d3m0n4z: Thanks everyone for the answers and for awesome books. Gotta run. Bye. [3:45] misterboook: It encourages new GMs to spam their players with it. [3:45] adamjury: Okay, last call for questions. Jason has... _stuff_ to do, and I have _stuff_ to do, not with Jason. [3:45] bladerunner: ... [3:45] plague: wouldn't AR spam be significantly less for the SINless? Since they have no actual ID to tie a consumer database to? [3:45] evilref: or so they say... [3:45] erik: plague. that's a good way to handle it. [3:46] kalvan: Well, is there any chance a sourcebook on food? [3:46] misterboook: Will there be anything like the Neo A's guide to North America 3.0? [3:46] marwynn: Will there be further mini expansions similar to Digital Grimoire? Also, food... what exactly do people eat and drink around the world? [3:46] plague: food of the sixth world. Twinkies, still chugging along. [3:46] penta: An SR cookbook, kalvan? [3:46] shane: Well, I have no more questions that aren't inane. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Thanks Jason, Adam, and the other CGS guys/gals. [3:46] bobbyd: I could write a Shadowrun Recipe Book (100 ways to cook soy!) but I doubt they'd pay me for it. [3:46] dakhran: SINless can't get commlinks, you'd have to have a fake SIN...you'd get spam based on the fake ID of the SIN...just hope it's not a 40 yr old virgin who shops alot... [3:46] bladerunner: Any thought on a Policlub book or faiths of the 6th world sort of thing? [3:46] erik: a McHugh's sourcebook? [3:46] yashugan: Also, i bought my first PDF a week ago, something i thought i'd never do (at those prices i prefer the book). I think you know it, it's kind of a Catalyst test of a new pricing model. Just to let you know, lowering the price of pdf's makes people consider buying them. (hint) [3:46] jm_hardy: Twinkies _that were made in 2009_ are still chugging along in 2072. [3:46] kalvan: More like the basic processes used to make food than anything else. [3:47] bull: BobbyD: SOunds like a Dumpshock Data Haven article waiting to be written (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) [3:47] misterboook: A new Threats book would be good. [3:47] adamjury: bladerunner: Loose Alliances, a SR3-era book, has a bunch of policlub info. [3:47] bladerunner: faiths though? [3:47] tachi: Thanks for indulging us Jason, you too Adam [3:47] penta: bladerunner: That too. [3:47] jm_hardy: misterboook: A sourcebook we're looking at for late 2010 might have some of the Neo A-type stuff in it, though to the exact same feel or anything. [3:48] guest-11262 entered the room [3:48] casazil: twinkies don't last that long I know had one go bad they sent me a coupon for a free box lol [3:48] guest-11272 entered the room [3:48] misterboook: Thanks for listening to me grumble. I love Shadowrun, but I remember watching Cyberpunk 2020 die when it started trying to tie into the Americans loving on Anime. [3:48] plague: a 4rth ed shadowbeat update would be nice [3:48] canadianwolvie: Isn't that a mistake dakhran, don't SiNless get commlinks, they are just disposable and limited? Isn't it sorta like those cell phones that one can buy in like 7-11 some places that only last for x-minutes till you buy more? [3:48] bladerunner: Thanks guys, I appreciate the time your spent. [3:48] bladerunner: you* [3:48] evilref: Many thanks Adam, Jason et al, and once again great job with the anniversary. Looking forward to the rest of the anniversary products and everything else [3:48] chrysalis: misterbook: I thought it died with CP 3.0 being promised for ten years [3:49] misterboook: Its out. [3:49] misterboook: I have copies. [3:49] marwynn: Thanks a lot for the chat guys, much appreciated [3:49] erik: SR4A is a really great book, thanks for the time. [3:49] jm_hardy: bladerunner: I like policlubs and related stuff (Loose Alliances was one of my very first SR credits)--the trick is working that info into ongoing plotlines. [3:49] shane: CP3 wasn't as bad as all that; it had some good ideas in it. [3:49] kalvan: Thanks for everything Adam and Jason. [3:49] chrysalis: misterbook: Not to mention Dana Jorgensen [3:49] misterboook: Its crap, but I have it. [3:49] canadianwolvie: Yes, many heartfelt thanks [3:49] adamjury: Glad to hear all the SR4A love. [3:49] bladerunner: JM-All im saying is that Corps and Nations arent only one pulling strings [3:49] jm_hardy: Thanks to all you for playing and being enthusiastic! [3:49] misterboook: Adam, don't let SR die, or all of us will track you down and AR spam you (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) [3:49] shane: The SR4A book sold one of my "not interested in SR" players to the willign to play side, purely because it presented it differently and nicely.

Janus View Member Profile	Sep 19 2009, 07:31 PM Post #37
Target Group: Members Posts: 26 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Japan Member No.: 938	It is 7th part. [ Spoiler ] [3:50] bladerunner: More poeple have died in gods name that did during VITAS [3:50] chrysalis: Thanks guys [3:50] jm_hardy: You're right, bladerunner, it's just a matter of working them in. But we have some plans . . . [3:50] guest-11314 entered the room [3:50] bladerunner: right on [3:50] dakhran: Love my SR4A...and thanks Adam for the tip about GoodReader, I can take it with me... [3:50] evilref: 4Sr4a, SM, Aug, Ars, RC and Unwired just from my group in the last two weeks so you definitely did something right (makes note to bully last player to buy) [3:50] casazil: dasiy box char-gen for those interested http://www.dobberisms.com/sr4cg.php [3:50] guest-11314 changed nickname to dirkloechel [3:50] misterboook: Alright, I am going to try to figure out this skype thing. [3:50] dirkloechel: hey! [3:50] jm_hardy: And if you like the art in SR4A, that's the level we're looking to continue. [3:51] shane: More Elmore! [3:51] marwynn: Awesome [3:51] plague: yes [3:51] dirkloechel: ah, great. [3:51] adamjury: Heck, the Seattle 2072 art is _better_ than the SR4A art. [3:51] erik: yay [3:51] dakhran: Excellent! [3:51] tachi: Works 4 me.. [3:51] dirkloechel: the one question I was lookimg to ask, and it just got answered [3:51] canadianwolvie: Oh, anyone want to hear my SR related IRL story now? [3:51] jm_hardy: evilref: Your group is clearly awesome. [3:51] kalvan: Go right ahead [3:51] marwynn: This daisybox thing looks cool [3:52] jm_hardy: I'll actually be at a fairly small convention with Larry Elmore in October. Maybe I'll have to pull him aside . . . [3:52] canadianwolvie: So, I head to my local library, looking for SR books... [3:52] bladerunner: O'rly? [3:52] shane: Please do Jason; Elmore's original cover is* Shadowrun, in my insiginificant opinion. [3:52] chrysalis: jm_hardy, cool [3:52] bladerunner: Im planning on hitting GeekKon in Madison, WI in Oct [3:52] canadianwolvie: Looking for this one recomended to me on Dumpshock, "Tails You Lose" [3:52] evilref: We're all professionals with low overheads, and having been in the gaming industry before going into 'real' publishing I had a long chat when we came together and explained the margins game companies run on - their buying habits changed a lot after that. [3:52] guest-11377 entered the room [3:52] guest-11377 changed nickname to hetzakoatl [3:53] canadianwolvie: And so I have to put in a Inter Library Loan Request... [3:53] canadianwolvie: And that was like 3 months ago [3:53] guest-11390 entered the room [3:53] guest-11390 changed nickname to kalvan [3:53] guest-11394 entered the room [3:53] guest-11394 changed nickname to _sylar_ [3:53] canadianwolvie: The other day I get this call from the library, because I keep bugging them about it [3:53] shane: Any joy, wolvie? Did it arrive? [3:53] casazil: So as people are talking cons if your in the Orlando Florida area next March come to http://www.megaconvention.com/ [3:54] jm_hardy: I believe there are plans for a killer "Shadowrun as Literature" seminar at GeekCon. [3:54] bladerunner: yep [3:54] bobbyd: MegaCon...the other reason to go to Orlando. [3:54] bladerunner: ^_^ [3:54] chrysalis: Still in Libya (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) [3:54] bladerunner: ouch [3:54] chrysalis: This is my geek fix [3:54] canadianwolvie: Well, it turns out the book I requested ... there was only one copy in all of Canada and it was in the North West Territories [3:54] yashugan: Jason, i want to buy the unwired book, but above it says you are re-releasing some books? is the unwired at least no first on the list? [3:54] jm_hardy: Orlando is far away . . . [3:54] casazil: The only reason to go to orlando and I life here! [3:54] adamjury: yash: Unwired is in print and available. [3:54] shane: The NWT have taste, then. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) [3:55] canadianwolvie: I thought that was hilarious, given what I know about how well librarians get paid (as in not), they should expect a return call in about 6 months when the library hours return (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) [3:55] casazil: that should say live here [3:55] evilref: revisions would, at a guess, happen when the current books go out of stock, otherwise it does bad things to your profits and warehousing [3:55] jm_hardy: Enhanced version of Unwired is in line after enhanced versions of Arsenal and Street Magic. So you'd have a bit of a wait. [3:55] marwynn: enhanced you say? [3:55] guest-11479 entered the room [3:55] yashugan: thanks! [3:56] erik: what are the enhanced books? [3:56] canadianwolvie: I picture some Inuit folks just passing SR books around (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) [3:56] evilref: Ohh, I assume any enhancements will go up online for those who already have the books to liberally sticker with post-its? [3:56] adamjury: As we reprint books, we always look at ways to touch them up. [3:56] hetzakoatl: Hehe [3:56] yashugan: With enhanced? do you mean full colour? [3:56] bull: Jason: You going to do a varient cover for the new print versions, like Street Magic has, so they can be easily distinguished? [3:56] jm_hardy: I believe they will be easily distinguished, yes. [3:56] tachi: color=joy [3:56] erik: what's the reprint sched? [3:56] bladeinheaven: cyber-enhanced... you roll initiative in order to read them (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) [3:57] jm_hardy: Hmmm . . . do I mean full color? I might! [3:57] shane: Well, goodnight folks. Time to put the kids to bed. Thanks again for the entertaining and informative chat. [3:57] chrysalis: Right, I am off [3:57] chrysalis: Bye [3:57] tachi: booktease [3:57] bladerunner: ha [3:57] canadianwolvie: Bye Chrysalis! [3:57] jm_hardy: All I know about the schedule is Areanal and Street Magic are first, and won't happen this year. [3:57] guest-11619 entered the room [3:58] casazil: um street magic just came out [3:58] erik: will the SR4A master index still be compatible with the newer versions? [3:58] hetzakoatl: Probably means Arsenal then won't be this year. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) [3:58] guest-11711 entered the room [3:58] guest-11711 changed nickname to bull [3:58] adamjury: casazil: we reprinted Street Magic last year. [3:58] adamjury: erik: yes. [3:58] erik: awesome. [3:58] erik: thx. [3:58] adamjury: We paid way too much money for that index to ever want to invalidate it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) [3:59] canadianwolvie: I think I have a crush on Chrysalis, she has awesome posts, of course, this being the interwebs, I am assuming gender [3:59] yashugan: ...or make the pdf full colour ... (i realise this is all a massive amount of work) [3:59] bladerunner: Its awesome [3:59] guest-11774 entered the room [3:59] jm_hardy: It would be a damn shame to make that awesome index and then obsolete it right out of the gate. [3:59] tachi: Adam: or do it over. hehe [3:59] guest-11783 entered the room [3:59] evilref: I was just about to say - knowing what a huge pita indexing is, the 4a one is great - as are the books in general. Please keep doing the detailed indexing for new books where appropriate [3:59] hetzakoatl: You guys should try an artwork book or something, I'd love to see more of the vehicles and places than what you get in the SR books.

Janus View Member Profile	Sep 19 2009, 07:34 PM Post #38
Target Group: Members Posts: 26 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Japan Member No.: 938	It is 8th and final part. There are much more emoticons than Dumpshock system allows, so I must chop apart the log. Sorry if there is some missing parts. [ Spoiler ] [4:00] adamjury: Okay. You've had 90 minutes of Jason's time, he is now FREE to run away. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) [4:00] marwynn: Much like the Battletech book [4:00] guest-11837 entered the room [4:00] canadianwolvie: You know what has been bugging me on Dumpshock lately? It seems some are telling you to do away with that "she [4:00] hetzakoatl: I've been wanting to see a Eurocar Westwind since the game first came out. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) [4:00] bladerunner: Blackhmmer Jason quick! [4:00] yashugan: yes, SR4A has the best index, btw, i was told Unwired doesn't have an index? is this true? [4:00] tachi: Run while you have the chance Jason.... [4:00] bladerunner: Dont let him leave [4:00] canadianwolvie: "she" pronoun in your books, please don't [4:00] guest-11859 entered the room [4:00] canadianwolvie: Its not PC in the least, IMHO [4:00] bladeinheaven: THanks Jason [4:01] adamjury: yash: there is no index in Unwired, correct. [4:01] jm_hardy: I don't have plans to alter pronouns friendly to all genders. [4:01] canadianwolvie: Sweet [4:01] jm_hardy: Okay, I definitely need a shower. Thanks again to all!

Cardul View Member Profile	Sep 20 2009, 07:38 AM Post #39
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 992 Joined: 2-August 06 Member No.: 9,006	Misterbook has CP v 3? EEEEEEW! Shadowrun is more realistic then that drek! Heck! Eclipse Phase is more realistic! Sorry, but any game where I just cannot suspend my disbelief is way too unrealistic for my tastes.

Kumo View Member Profile	Sep 20 2009, 12:39 PM Post #40
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 224 Joined: 4-September 09 From: Poland Member No.: 17,594	Janus - Thank You very much for posting chat log! Somehow I tinychat didn't work for me, so I wasn't able to join the chat (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif) . So I hope that devs still be watching this thread, because I want ask about two things: 1) Will be any sort of data about Poland in 6th World Almanach? It's not because I'm stubborn, but we trying to make some fan-stuff about it, and we want to do it in line with canon. 2) Is it good idea to send CGL some minor ideas, which could be used just in shadowtalk?

eidolon View Member Profile	Sep 20 2009, 03:13 PM Post #41
ghostrider Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,196 Joined: 16-May 04 Member No.: 6,333	Wish I could have made it. I'd have brought this up: Okay, I knew re-releases of the other core books were inevitable after putting out SR4A. However, do you intend to be extremely careful to not change page references from SR4A out to the other books? Because if you start a cycle of rotating revisions like Print SR4A Revise and reprint Arsenal, breaking page refs in SR4A Revise and reprint SR4A Revise and reprint Street Magic, breaking page refs in SR4A Revise and reprint SR4A I'm going to pile my 4th edition books up in the yard and set them on fire, and use the light given off to play something else.

Adam View Member Profile	Sep 20 2009, 04:24 PM Post #42
Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51	QUOTE (eidolon @ Sep 20 2009, 11:13 AM) Okay, I knew re-releases of the other core books were inevitable after putting out SR4A. However, do you intend to be extremely careful to not change page references from SR4A out to the other books? As we said during the chat ... yes. We paid enough for the compiled index that we wouldn't want to invalidate it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Krypter View Member Profile	Sep 20 2009, 04:34 PM Post #43
Target Group: Members Posts: 91 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Toronto, Canada Member No.: 1,495	>jm_hardy: And if you like the art in SR4A, that's the level we're looking to continue. Excellent. Like it or not, good art makes a huge difference in how people perceive an RPG line.

eidolon View Member Profile	Sep 20 2009, 06:15 PM Post #44
ghostrider Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,196 Joined: 16-May 04 Member No.: 6,333	QUOTE (Adam @ Sep 20 2009, 10:24 AM) As we said during the chat ... yes. We paid enough for the compiled index that we wouldn't want to invalidate it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Good deal, must have missed it. I didn't want to spend the time reading every last random comment.

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