Tag eraser, Where is it? Options

[Tachi]

Fuck the cake...
The cake is a lie...

Besides, everyone knows that cookies are where it's at...

[Degausser]

Or, you know, tag erase your candy bars BEFORE you eat them...

Most candybars are more than 1 CM thick . . .

[ZeroPoint]

I personally find the idea of RFIDs in food quite silly. But thats just me.

[Glyph]

I agree with you there. I can see it on the outside of things, on clothing labels and such, but putting it inside food so that it can be swallowed strains plausibility for me.

[CanadianWolverin...]

I agree with you there. I can see it on the outside of things, on clothing labels and such, but putting it inside food so that it can be swallowed strains plausibility for me.

For some reason I picture this as being done based on a stupid corp managers decision, like his engineers were explaining to him ways that the candy bars could stop having the tag removed so they could be stolen easier from the Shack and the solution he got dead set on was putting it in the candy bar itself, not even thinking of ramifications to the consumer ... if you eat enough RFID tags, do you get a build up of toxins from the component materials? You know, let alone making some Runner's mission a FUBAR ... heck he manager probably even figured it was a great marketing move, walking billboards advertising their product and having the consumer identified as part of sub-culture like Pepsi vs Coke or some other advertising BS, like the ultimate product labelled t-shirt (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

Gotta wonder if fashion might be determined not necessarily by the clothes themselves but how fashionable your RFID tags that go with them are based on the AR they broadcast to the commlinks of others around them. "Your AD is so yesterday, loser." -elf poser "Aww man, I told my parents this shit was weak for being last week." -ork poser

[Tachi]

*snip* heck he manager probably even figured it was a great marketing move, walking billboards advertising their product and having the consumer identified as part of sub-culture like Pepsi vs Coke or some other advertising BS, like the ultimate product labelled t-shirt *snip*

That's pretty much how I figured it.

[Ravor]

Personally I figure that the corps simply don't care whether or not the tags in your food is toxic or not.

As for houserules and nazis, meh, that works both ways, it's just as easy to make a houserule that brings karmagen back into the fold, and in fact the easiest houserule of just making the atts carry the new costs could even be taken as dev statement about "proper dicepools". (IMG:style_emoticons/default/silly.gif) ( Yes, that was partially tounge-in-cheek. )

*EDIT*

Corrected a really stupid typeo...

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

It's not hard to "get". You're a roleplaying nazi and a flamebaiting troll. But I'm glad we have someone to fill the aching void in all of our lives now that Creepwood is no longer posting on the forums.

Neither a Nazi nor a Troll, but thanks for your opinion...

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

Most candybars are more than 1 CM thick . . .

Sooooo, tag erase from both sides... fives you almost an inch of thickness to affect, most candy bars are not an inch square...
Easy Peasy...

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

Personally I figure that the corps simply don't care whether or not the tags in your food is toxic or not.

As for houserules and nazis, meh, that works both ways, it's just as easy to make a houserule that brings karmagen back into the fold, and in fact the easiest houserule of just making the atts carry the new costs could even be taken as dev statement about "proper dicepools". (IMG:style_emoticons/default/silly.gif) ( Yes, that was partially tounge-in-cheek. )

*EDIT*

Corrected a really stupid typeo...

And with This Ravor, I would Agree... Using adjusted Attribute costs would bring the control back to Karmagen and I would then have no problems with it...

[Glyph]

Personally I figure that the corps simply don't care whether or not the tags in your food is toxic or not.

As for houserules and nazis, meh, that works both ways, it's just as easy to make a houserule that brings karmagen back into the fold, and in fact the easiest houserule of just making the atts carry the new costs could even be taken as dev statement about "proper dicepools". (IMG:style_emoticons/default/silly.gif) ( Yes, that was partially tounge-in-cheek. )

*EDIT*

Corrected a really stupid typeo...

My original complaint was that the new rules put Karmagen in limbo. The problem with house rules is that they are specific to one gaming table. But an earlier poster was right, that the Karmagen question was derailing the conversation.

Back on topic -
As far as the corps not caring whether tags are toxic or not, I'm not sure. Even the most evil corporation to exist doesn't want to kill off the people who buy their stuff.

[Khyron]

The question is does the corp higherups even know if it's toxic or not? No doubt even they eat their own product. The larger the corp the more Bureaucracy. Remember, the Bureaucracy expands to meet the needs of the expanding Bureaucracy. Things get lost in the paperwork explaining the paperwork detailing the paperwork that explains the health effects.

[Glyph]

Bureaucracy, insular institutions that don't share information with each other, and an overwhelming glut of information are how I rationalize runners being able to get away with what they do in a society where everyone and everything can be a camera.

However, considering that RFID tags in food would be a conspiracy theorist's dream to begin with, I don't see how toxic chips could go undetected for very long. But again, like ZeroPoint, I kind of find the idea of these things inside food slightly too silly to begin with.

[kanislatrans]

I agree, putting rfid tags in food would be as silly as hiding tracking software in ads that monitor a consumers computer usag ....oh, um... never mind... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)

[ZeroPoint]

Eh, this is the way I think about it. Some corp gets the bright idea to put RFID chips in their food. Someone gets wind of it (someone with a sniffer program notices their candy bar is still emitting a signal after they unwrapped and ate it, or someone...one frikken person working in one of the hundred manufacturing plants around the world that is lacing RFIDs into their food...sends the story to Horizon or whatever news corp...news gets out and millions of paranoid consumers avoid them like the plague. Think back to recent food and other recalls on products out of china, or more recently the drop in sales of pork products because of the H1N1 virus (aka swine flu) even after numerous stories and public statements all urging that you can't get it from eating pork. After the corp loses millions of dollars, they are weakened and get scooped up by one of the megas. Now all the corps have learned the lesson about putting foreign objects in food.

[PirateChef]

Back on topic -
As far as the corps not caring whether tags are toxic or not, I'm not sure. Even the most evil corporation to exist doesn't want to kill off the people who buy their stuff.

Looks at the tobacco companies.
Sure no one would do that.

As far as RFIDs in food, I think the biggest perpetrator of this would be the corps on their own employees. Eat in the company cafeteria, get tagged. Easy way to keep track of everyone in the building without their knowledge.

As far as public outcry goes, I think one of the main themes that make up SR is the idea that the populace is more than willing to give up privacy for security. So the public would probably be willing to 'swallow' the idea of ingesting a small harmless chip if they get something out of it.

[Degausser]

so there is no way to erase tags besides the 1CM close tag eraser? Seems pretty stupid.

Johnson meets runners at a fast food joint, runners eat, then they cannot run for the next24 hours while they wait for the tags to "come out the other end." Unless they all wanna tag erase their food at the table in front of the Johnson, seems like that would be socially impolite, though.

[kanislatrans]

I don't recall where RFID tags are toxic (although I may have missed it somewhere)

My dogs all have chips imbedded from the vet for ID purposes. pretty safe even today.

Public out cry is fickle at best and easily distracted. Just watch the news during an election year.

Just put it out as a "here to better serve you" or " to help protect you from evildoers" spin

I can almost see the commercial now...*kanis's eyes glaze over....*



Pan camera, happy family enjoying meal at McHugh's. parents turn to catch little Bobby running from table and turn back...zoom in on little Suzies empty red and yellow seat....cut to parents franticly searching parking lot for lost child..

Manager approaches family:"what seems to be the problem?"

Frantic mother: "Please help us!!! we can't find our daughter..she was right here and now...."

Manager: "Hold on a sec,ma'am!" Manager brings up AR window" Did your daughter have the Smiley meal with Soy fries and Choco-joy double thick drink?"

Parents look confused:" why yes she did!"

Manager turns to the McHugh's fun world playarea:"Shes presently coming down that slide."

Pan to Suzy emerging from slide, smiling and laughing....

Parents sigh in relief and hug manager before heading to the play area to join their daughter...

Narrator:"McHughs , Fun and safety go hand in hand"

zoom to parents holding Suzies tiny hand....fade in McHughs logo......fade to black....

[Brazilian_Shinob...]

so there is no way to erase tags besides the 1CM close tag eraser? Seems pretty stupid.

Johnson meets runners at a fast food joint, runners eat, then they cannot run for the next24 hours while they wait for the tags to "come out the other end." Unless they all wanna tag erase their food at the table in front of the Johnson, seems like that would be socially impolite, though.

I don't think that you have to rub the tag eraser on the tag to get it erased. I think that if you rub it on your belly is good enough to erase it. What I'm really pissed off about it is that there is no way to erase security tags unless you use a mini-EMP...

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

I don't think that you have to rub the tag eraser on the tag to get it erased. I think that if you rub it on your belly is good enough to erase it. What I'm really pissed off about it is that there is no way to erase security tags unless you use a mini-EMP...

Why be upset about that?

[Ravor]

Personally because I don't think it makes sense, but then again I wouldn't allow the "rub my belly" thing to work either.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

Personally because I don't think it makes sense, but then again I wouldn't allow the "rub my belly" thing to work either.

Yeah, the "rub the belly" thing is a little odd, I have to admit... But hardening of electronics (or the 2070 equivalent) so that it takes a fair amount of "power" to render useless, that makes absolute sense... we harden electronics now... may not be greatly effective against what it was intended to do, but Tempest hardening was/is an attempt to produce an electronic device that could resist EMP of a powerful nature...

Like I said, not sure exactly how well it really works, but with 60 more years fo technology advancement, it at least makes sense...

Keep the Faith...

[Ravor]

On "real" electronics sure, but I have a hard time believing that security tags can remain small enough to be useful with all that hardening.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

On "real" electronics sure, but I have a hard time believing that security tags can remain small enough to be useful with all that hardening.

Possibly/Probably... it is the 2070's though...

[Ravor]

Well, part of the problem that I have is that it's "all or nothing", I wouldn't have a problem if your easer had to roll in order to zap the tags, and security tags were slightly harder to get, but then again I'd also increase the range and give a bonus if the easer was touching the tag...