Toys 4 Riggers, Vroom and Boom Options

[Marwynn]

I ended up with two vehicles.

GMC Bulldog Step-Van
Pilot 3, Maneuver 3, Sensor 3, Covert Ops 3
Run Flat Tires x 4
Rigger Adaptation
Manual Control Override (Drive By Wire)
GridLink
GridLink Override
Drone Rack (Small) x 2

Mercury Comet
Pilot 3, Maneuver 3, Sensor 3
Run Flat Tires x 4
Rigger Adaptation
Manual Control Override (Drive By Wire)
GridLink
GridLink Override
Chameleon Coating

Both cost a lot of money but they seem to be worth it for now. I haven't messed with the performance, the Step-Van has half its mod slots still available and the Comet has 4 more slots.

I'm broke and can't get any more money beyond going In Debt, and I'm not liking the gleam in my GM's eye when that's mentioned. So any future mods, like chameleon coating for the Step-Van can come later in game. I wish I had 2.5k to buy a Vehicle Tag Eraser for the Comet, but alas I have no spare karma.

It'll give my Rigger something to do.

Thoughts and comments? They're pretty standard I know.

[Tachi]

I ended up with two vehicles.
*snip*
Thoughts and comments? They're pretty standard I know.

It's always been my understanding that vehicles come with Gridguide and Gridlink as a standard feature, only 'antique' pre-gridguide/gridlink vehicles and those intended for use outside the city didn't have it when bought. That was just my understanding, but if your GM agrees you can save some money and mod capacity there.

[Johnny Hammersti...]

I run a game, our rigger, a Cram addicted Uncouth Ork chica, she's latin, went with the Hyundai Sedan from Arsenal. Those extra mod slots are very useful. Also, as a sedan, she can move the team around with her (no trolls!)

[Marwynn]

I thought that too, but then why have it be a mod? And why do some make specific mention of it?

I figure the standard version doesn't have it, and an upgrade will pay for it, and what we see is the base model. But hey, it saves me money and mod slots so I'll bring that up thanks.

Johnny, do you mean the Hyundai Shin-Hyung? Hmm I had thought of it as a 2-door but it looks like a 4-door. Perhaps a bit more 'social camoflauge' when in the corp areas compared the Mercury Comet.

[Johnny Hammersti...]

That's a great question about the doors. we didn't really think of it that way.

If you look at the stats line in Arsenal for the Hyundai, it says its a sedan. In the vehicle gear section in 20A, it says that a sedan seats 5 I think. Still our rigger is saving her nuyen for a step van for what its worth.

[Axl]

"It's always been my understanding that vehicles come with Gridguide and Gridlink as a standard feature." - Tachi

I'd say Gridguide - yes, Gridlink - no. I don't recall reading anywhere that Gridlink is a default install, and it has a specific price and slot requirement.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

"It's always been my understanding that vehicles come with Gridguide and Gridlink as a standard feature." - Tachi

I'd say Gridguide - yes, Gridlink - no. I don't recall reading anywhere that Gridlink is a default install, and it has a specific price and slot requirement.

Only for after market modifications... Many vehicles would come with it standard, especially the higher end vehicles...
Just like today...

Which city would absorb the cost of such a system (Gridlink services) if the vehicular system was not ubiquitous... if there is no demand for the service (via standard installation on most, if not all vehicles) then the service would not exist... it is too costly to assume otherwise...

The modification would exist for those vehicles that do not come with it standard, like probably most Motorcycles, as the system would be an oddity on such a vehicle)

Keep the Faith

[Axl]

So why doesn't Arsenal indicate that some (most?) ground vehicles come with GridLink as standard?

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

So why doesn't Arsenal indicate that some (most?) ground vehicles come with GridLink as standard?

They also don't reference that they have a trunk, or Side Mirrors or even a Steering Wheel either... but you assume that they are there don't you?

I go with Cars, trucks and Larger ground vehicles (No Hovercraft by default) required for everyday life automatically have gridlink... Motorcycles and other "exotic" vehicles (such as Hovercraft) do not come with this option stacdard because of teh way that they are designed... they can be added to these vehicles as a modification if desired...

Keep the Faith

[Axl]

"They also don't reference that they have a trunk, or Side Mirrors or even a Steering Wheel either... but you assume that they are there don't you?" - TJ

The trunk, side mirrors and steering wheel don't have explicitly listed prices and slot requirements. You'll notice that this is the exact reason that I assume that GridGuide is a default standard.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

"They also don't reference that they have a trunk, or Side Mirrors or even a Steering Wheel either... but you assume that they are there don't you?" - TJ

The trunk, side mirrors and steering wheel don't have explicitly listed prices and slot requirements. You'll notice that this is the exact reason that I assume that GridGuide is a default standard.

It is indeed... and we use that rational for Gridlink as well... It just makes sense... But that is us, maybe it does not make sense to you and that is okay... I am comfortable as including it in our House Rules...

Keep the Faith...

[Harboe]

Tangently related to the topic at hand, I have a question...

Could I install a Gridlink (or the Gridlink Override upgrade, for that matter) in a drone?
I see nothing against it, only for it, but it seems too good to be true. No longer would one have to worry about operation time. It'd be recharged during the run and (with a Spoof Chip) no one would be any the wiser.

[Traul]

The gridlink infrastructure is only installed in streets, isn't it? Unless you are using your drones there, I don't see any use for it.

[Harboe]

I thought it was wireless recharging of energy cells (a technology we're already experimenting with).
It would make sense to make it extend to more than just the road itself, allowing subscribers to recharge their car while it's parked or sitting in the parking lot of their employer (say, a Corp?). Seeing as how people are being charged for it anyway (no pun intended, yet there it was) there's no need to worry about profit.

But yea, with a nice GMC Sandal - a package delivery drone - used for undercover surveillance, it's nice to know that it could be scoping out an area all day and I won't have to worry about setting off alarms (it being inconspicuous), triggering wards (it being non-sentient and having little to no presence in the Astral), getting stolen (anti-theft system for the win!) or running out of power. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cyber.gif)

[Traul]

The system is described in Arsenal. Only highways and A level neighbourhoods are equiped.

It would be up to the owner to equip a private building. I don't see why anybody would bother to equip a parking lot when the link is available on the street: the car will reload when you take it out anyway. Unless you love to use your 6000W sound system in the parking lot, of course (IMG:style_emoticons/default/silly.gif)

[Corgak]

So I had these ideas for a couple vehicles for my character, a surged ork weapon specialist with skills in armorer and auto mechanic and can drive.
I figured this would be a good place to post these.

Thundercloud Contrail
Concealed Armor (Rating 10)*
Special Armor Modification: Non-conductive (max rating is listed as either 6 or 10 depending on where you look in Arsenal, so GM needs to rule on this for me)
Anti-Theft System
Chameleon Coating
Normal Weapon Mount (concealed visibility, fixed flexibility, remote control, mounted on front of vehicle)
Skinlinked controls (all broadcasting turned off)

Conestoga Vista
Concealed Armor (Rating 10)*
EM Shielding
Gun Ports x3 (mounted on each side and rear of vehicle)
Life Support (Rating 2)
Multilaunch Drone Rack
Reinforced Weapon Mount (concealed visibility, flexible flexibility, remote control, mount on front of vehicle)
Skinlinked controls (all broadcasting turned off)

Any comments on these vehicles would be appreciated. Particularly on the pros and cons to the builds. The bike is for manueverability and the capability of parking just about anywhere. The bus is intended to be a mobile command center where the rigger can keep an eye on things (obviously there is no rigger adaptation, but I was going to discuss the options of reconfiguring the inside to have weapons lockers, rigging and hacking stations, etc. with the GM)*

*Editted

[Marwynn]

Hmm I don't know if that Contrail's legal. The Concealed Armour, Anti-Theft, and Chameleon coating is 6 slots. The Weapon Mount is 5, but the Contrail only has 10 slots.

Also, reconsider the armour on it. It's a bike so you're rather open yourself and probably packing more protection.

[Udoshi]

No, the arsenal errata and second printing reduce Chameleon Coating to one slot, so it works.

Question...would putting a Manual, Armored control on a bike be enough rules-fu to give its operator protection in most cases?

[Marwynn]

Bah I forgot that! But then there's still Skinlink and that Adaptation.

That would probably depend on where the gun was. I know, silly answer, but it's probably going to be up to your GM to decide. My bike of choice is the Revolution, since it can be armoured somewhat convincingly.

[Jaid]

concealed armor is capped at 10.

[Corgak]

concealed armor is capped at 10.

Oops, thanks, I forgot about that so, yea both will have conceiled armor at 10.

[EvilP]

You might want to get the Amenities upgrade for the Vista bus so you can live in it for the duration of a long run.

[Corgak]

Hmm I don't know if that Contrail's legal. The Concealed Armour, Anti-Theft, and Chameleon coating is 6 slots. The Weapon Mount is 5, but the Contrail only has 10 slots.

Its RAW that you can go over the slot "max" but that the GM is encouraged to have side effects like reduced manueverability or top speed, etc.

Also, reconsider the armour on it. It's a bike so you're rather open yourself and probably packing more protection.

That however is a very good point. If I eliminate the armor that still leaves me with one slot unused before penalties can be applied.