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post Nov 27 2009, 07:49 PM
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I've got an idea for a Street Doc contact who happens to be a ghoul, and I'm looking for a picture that I can associate to him. Anyone has one to share ??

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post Nov 27 2009, 07:54 PM
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could google up a zombie pic in a pinch.
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post Nov 27 2009, 07:58 PM
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This work?
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post Nov 27 2009, 08:04 PM
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QUOTE (Headshot_Joe @ Nov 27 2009, 02:58 PM) *

Great !!! Like it. Thanks
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post Nov 27 2009, 08:04 PM
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QUOTE (Headshot_Joe @ Nov 27 2009, 02:58 PM) *
That's a picture of a Ghoul from Fallout 3 (I think that's Gob from Megaton). I think any picture of a Ghoul from Fallout 3 would work well. There are plenty of NPC Ghouls in Fallout 3 that you can talk to. There's even a Ghoul doctor in the Ghoul Underworld.
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post Nov 27 2009, 08:09 PM
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post Nov 27 2009, 08:12 PM
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QUOTE (hahnsoo @ Nov 27 2009, 12:04 PM) *
That's a picture of a Ghoul from Fallout 3 (I think that's Gob from Megaton). I think any picture of a Ghoul from Fallout 3 would work well. There are plenty of NPC Ghouls in Fallout 3 that you can talk to. There's even a Ghoul doctor in the Ghoul Underworld.

Yeah, but Doctor Barrows lacks a clipboard, and has blood on his shirt...makes him look more threatening, and less likely to be trusted...
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post Nov 27 2009, 08:16 PM
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Well, I guess the vast majority of his customers are ghouls too, or will be sooner or later...
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post Nov 27 2009, 08:28 PM
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http://www.beckersbakeryanddeli.com/images...een%20ghoul.jpg
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http://www.freewebs.com/kickasshorrorrevie...isten-Ghoul.jpg

heres my fav:

http://thumbmonkeygames.com/blog/wp-conten...09/09/ghoul.png
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post Nov 27 2009, 08:46 PM
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I actually think a ghoul street doc would be very likely to have had facial surgery and cybereyes so his ghoul condition would be more subtle. Would your runner really feel comfortable with a ghoul docter performing surgery (say for bullets) while your pasted out and sedated. Aside from the fear of having one of your organs eaten you'd be at a very high risk of infection.
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post Nov 27 2009, 09:50 PM
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On a related note, I am currently playing in a game where we have dealings with a ghoulish streetdoc called Docter Stone. He ran his bussiness out of a taco shop, after spending a week in his care one of my character developed a phobia of Taco's and Ghouls.
He's great though, sometimes he'll give you a cyberlimb at a discount if he gets to eat the original. We think he might be part of Tamanous as well as running his bussiness.
(Great if you need some ware dug out of a dead boddy)
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post Nov 28 2009, 12:39 AM
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QUOTE (Jack Kain @ Nov 27 2009, 05:46 PM) *
I actually think a ghoul street doc would be very likely to have had facial surgery and cybereyes so his ghoul condition would be more subtle. Would your runner really feel comfortable with a ghoul docter performing surgery (say for bullets) while your pasted out and sedated. Aside from the fear of having one of your organs eaten you'd be at a very high risk of infection.


My first thought exactly. I would NEVER visit a doctor that has the potential to see me as his midnight snack.
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post Nov 28 2009, 01:08 AM
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On the other hand, all street docs are compromised in some way (otherwise they'd just be called "docs"). You might be worried the ghouls is going to eat you, but the human could just as easily sell you for parts. If you trust a street doc enough to be laying on their table, either it's because of a personal or fiscal relationship (in which case, it doesn't matter what they are-- the devil you know is better than the devil you don't) or because you're simply out of options and bleeding to death on a Tuesday night.

I could see it playing out either way.
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post Nov 28 2009, 02:50 AM
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QUOTE (Mercer @ Nov 27 2009, 07:08 PM) *
On the other hand, all street docs are compromised in some way (otherwise they'd just be called "docs"). You might be worried the ghouls is going to eat you, but the human could just as easily sell you for parts. If you trust a street doc enough to be laying on their table, either it's because of a personal or fiscal relationship (in which case, it doesn't matter what they are-- the devil you know is better than the devil you don't) or because you're simply out of options and bleeding to death on a Tuesday night.

I could see it playing out either way.


Even if you trust the ghoul to put everything back the way its suppose to be. All strains of HMHVV (among them the one that makes ghouls) are blood born. Would you really want someone with a blood born disease poking around your insides.
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post Nov 28 2009, 03:30 AM
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QUOTE (Jack Kain @ Nov 27 2009, 08:50 PM) *
Even if you trust the ghoul to put everything back the way its suppose to be. All strains of HMHVV (among them the one that makes ghouls) are blood born. Would you really want someone with a blood born disease poking around your insides.

Especially since the Kreiger (ghoul) strain is transmitted by contact. If he so much as broke a rubber glove...




(and yes, we all know that the reality of the Kreiger strain being contact vector ends in a world full of ghouls, lets not argue it yet again, people.)
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post Nov 28 2009, 04:26 AM
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QUOTE (Jack Kain @ Nov 28 2009, 03:50 AM) *
Even if you trust the ghoul to put everything back the way its suppose to be. All strains of HMHVV (among them the one that makes ghouls) are blood born. Would you really want someone with a blood born disease poking around your insides.


Hey, at least it's a blood borne disease you know about.

The point is, when it comes to people poking around in your insides, a street doc is rarely going to top the list. If I was seriously hurt, I'd want a John Hopkins motherfucker, I'd want to see diplomas from Harvard or U Penn. But if I'm going to a street doc, that train has already sailed. And if I'm hurt, I'm going to take what I can get.
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post Nov 28 2009, 05:36 AM
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"I get a little nervous when you start salivating, doc."

"I'm not going to eat you, you're the only customer I got that pays on time."
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post Nov 28 2009, 09:53 AM
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QUOTE (Tachi @ Nov 28 2009, 06:30 AM) *
Especially since the Kreiger (ghoul) strain is transmitted by contact. If he so much as broke a rubber glove...




(and yes, we all know that the reality of the Kreiger strain being contact vector ends in a world full of ghouls, lets not argue it yet again, people.)

..give Doc. Ghoul a Infertile Infected- quality (Runner's Companion pg. 82) and problem is solved.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Nov 28 2009, 11:47 AM
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QUOTE (PatB @ Nov 27 2009, 08:49 PM) *
I've got an idea for a Street Doc contact who happens to be a ghoul, and I'm looking for a picture that I can associate to him. Anyone has one to share ??

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Same here. I got a ghoul NPC street doc, biosculpted to look (relatively) normal.

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QUOTE (Stingray @ Nov 28 2009, 02:53 AM) *
..give Doc. Ghoul a Infertile Infected- quality (Runner's Companion pg. 82) and problem is solved.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


Elegant Solution Indeed...

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post Nov 28 2009, 09:59 PM
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QUOTE (Stingray @ Nov 28 2009, 05:53 AM) *
..give Doc. Ghoul a Infertile Infected- quality (Runner's Companion pg. 82) and problem is solved.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
It's solved from a mechanics standpoint, but not solved from a roleplaying standpoint. People will still think he's infectious, even with ample evidence to the contrary, simply because he's a Ghoul. He can even have the equivalent training to understand and explain why he's not infectious, and people won't believe him. Because he's a Ghoul. It's just how (meta)human nature works.
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QUOTE (hahnsoo @ Nov 28 2009, 01:59 PM) *
It's solved from a mechanics standpoint, but not solved from a roleplaying standpoint. People will still think he's infectious, even with ample evidence to the contrary, simply because he's a Ghoul. He can even have the equivalent training to understand and explain why he's not infectious, and people won't believe him. Because he's a Ghoul. It's just how (meta)human nature works.


Which explains why he's a street doc and not a regular doc. He had to go to medschool at some point, and I doubt they allow ghouls in. In fact, such a character would probably bend over backwards to get a good reputation, simply because his condition makes him even less trusted than your normal unlicensed hack. He would likely be an NPC that would need PC help quite a bit, just to keep his infected ass from being summarily executed for the bounty on ghouls.
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post Nov 29 2009, 12:09 AM
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I don't think there is a bounty on ghouls, although there was one mentioned for Quebec. (Who knows though, this is the sort of thing that changes every now and again.)

Octopii makes a good point; the guy could have been a very promising surgeon (the John Hopkins motherfucker I was referring to earlier), then he got scratched by the wrong Infected patient and there goes his practice and his license, his pretty fiance and his deluxe apartment in the sky. But he's still got a ton of skill ranks in Biotech.

He gets depressed, moves into the sewers and falls in with a bunch of ghouls who have an arrangement with a local gang-- they eat the bodies the gang needs them to get rid of, and in return the gang doesn't go into the ghoul tunnels with flamethrowers. Other than being the best ghoul in the world at chopping bodies up, and sewing the occasional hurt ghoul back together, the doctor thing doesn't come up very much.

Then one day, there's a bad fight in the barrens which is a good day for the ghouls. The gang drops off a pile of bodies and the ghoul doc-- now more of a chef-- starts taking them apart. Except one of the bodies, one of the gangers, he ain't quite dead yet. He still has a little bit of a heartbeat.

The training takes over. The ghoul remembers the oath he took. He might have squared it with his conscience to eat a dead body, but he can't end a life just to feed. The training takes over, and he patches the body up. He's working blind, but now he can see the patient's soul.

The body gets better. A couple of days later he walks out of the ghoul tunnels. Nobody can believe it, they think he's probably a ghoul, or a vampire, or a shedim, or a free spirit or a skinwalker or a space alien. Anything's more believable than "one of the ghouls patched me up". The gang chalks it up to one of those barrens miracles.

Except next time it's a bad day in the barrens, it's the gang leaders kid sister who gets dropped. He doesn't have many options, but he knows a place a miracle happened this one time. So he takes his sister down into those tunnels, and he says to the ghouls, "I know you know how to fix people. Fix her, or I'll make your world nothing but fire."

So the ghoul doc steps up, says, "I can help her."

Granted, I can buy the argument that no one would choose to go to a ghoul doc (except other ghouls), but I think that's missing the essential point that if you're going to a street doc, you're probably not choosing it. You're going to a street doc because you don't have anywhere else to go, because you're chock full of illegal cyberware and ER's have to report bullet wounds to the Star.

It's also worth noting that if you've already houseruled the infection rules for ghouls, this is even less of a factor.
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post Nov 29 2009, 12:29 AM
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QUOTE (Mercer @ Nov 28 2009, 08:09 PM) *
I don't think there is a bounty on ghouls, although there was one mentioned for Quebec. (Who knows though, this is the sort of thing that changes every now and again.)
Yeah, the bounty on ghouls is only in very specific areas, and those areas probably have their own indigenous ghouls that hunters will go for. It certainly doesn't exist anymore in the UCAS or Seattle. This doesn't mean that ghouls could operate publicly or semi-publicly (I'm sure there are folks who hunt ghouls for fun rather than profit, mostly because there are no legal repercussions for doing so), but the bounty isn't going to be a big issue depending on where you run.

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Granted, I can buy the argument that no one would choose to go to a ghoul doc (except other ghouls), but I think that's missing the essential point that if you're going to a street doc, you're probably not choosing it. You're going to a street doc because you don't have anywhere else to go, because you're chock full of illegal cyberware and ER's have to report bullet wounds to the Star.
Except that there are plenty of street docs, and the Sixth World even has mages with healing spells that work better than street docs. Part of being a shadowrunner is getting a reliable street doc contact, and it's not like there's absolutely no other choice in the matter (Street Docs are supposedly more common than MAGES, and we all know how many mages you run into in an average SR campaign).

ERs also don't have to report bullet wounds to the Star unless they are public hospitals in specific jurisdictions (laws vary according to region, just like the bounty listed above).

Look, it's an interesting NPC. There's a lot of depth you can plumb there. But you'll have to suspend a lot of disbelief to weave a story like that, or at least be able to explain the basic problems of the character. It would make sense that a Ghoul Street Doc would mostly treat other Ghouls. He might even catch some flak from Ghouls for "playing with the food".
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