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post Feb 3 2004, 06:26 PM
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And JongWK, you get my PM/check the damn thread...
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post Feb 3 2004, 07:55 PM
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errr? Are you wanting characters that can do all those?
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post Feb 3 2004, 07:59 PM
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QUOTE (sable twilight)
errr? Are you wanting characters that can do all those?

That's a good question. :)
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post Feb 3 2004, 08:14 PM
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I assume he is. Don't worry though, its apparently really easy to do with BeCKS.
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post Feb 3 2004, 08:16 PM
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Yeah. I bet Kagetenshi and BlackSmith have been building those killer characters for just this purpose.
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post Feb 3 2004, 08:30 PM
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I'm waiting to see. These characters are going to SUCK, Req thinks.
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post Feb 3 2004, 11:46 PM
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Yeah, they have to fufill all the roles (Excepting faces, of course-only girls do that ;) ).
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post Feb 4 2004, 12:03 AM
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Prototype is an ork who pretty much fullfills these criteria I think...

Okay, rigger... he isn't yet, but he has enough saved to get VCR 1 and a bunch of remote control deck equipment, drones, etc. so that'll be fullfilled within a few weeks!

Decker - he has a datajack and an MPCP-10 Cyberdeck with most programs between ratings 6 and 10!!! Pretty good, Computer 6 as well, though he's gonna get a Math-SPU when he gets the VCR probably!

Samurai - well, in addition to his datajack he has vision and hearing mods, Move-By-Wire 3, Titanium Bone Lacing, Dermal Sheath, Smartlink, a bunch of headware, Skillwires-6 (1000Mp), Expert Drivers (2 of them), and some other stuff. By way of Bioware he has Platelet Factory, Trauma Damper, Muscle Aug + Toner, Mnemonic Enhancer and some other stuff...

Image - presume this means 'face' type stuff? Well, he has Negotiation/Ettiquette and that around 5-6 along with a bunch of other skills in this vein chipped. I suppose that kind of covers it! He's stealthy too, which most of these guys are!

Adepts - He's a physad around initiate grade 7 - powers are hit hard by all the cyber and stuff, but mainly run to enhanced skills, pain resistance, mystic armour, killing hands and the like. Plenty of centering on just about everything and a Rating 6 Weapon Focus plus Rating 4 Centering Focus to round it all off.

Sound like your man?
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post Feb 4 2004, 12:11 AM
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Not image. Mage. And he's not.
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post Feb 4 2004, 02:55 PM
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Ok. This one has been a long time in the making and started all the way back in 1st ed.
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Rigger - Well, not yet, but does have the essence to afford a level 1 VCR if and when he wants to shell out the major nuyen for a delta grade version and the skilled surgeon. Does have a few nice cars already and an old SPECAT International Jaguar fighter. Does have a datajack and all his vehicles have a datajack port.

Decker - Has an implanted Math SPU (3) and Encephalon (2). Has a highly modified Trans-Berry NeuroSys cyberdeck that he picked up from a published adventure (Imago I think). MPCP 13 (running of 12 since it uses a reality filter) and most programs are at an average of 6. Computer skill is only a 4, with a B/R of 2. Decking is more of a past time/hobby than a full fledged skill.

Samurai - Has dual smartgun rig, a single cybereye (which he lost in a fight with a bug shaman) and a rating 6 implanted radio (w/ commlink 4, crypto-circuit 8, scramble breaker 6 and a cybercomm link). Skillwire 6 (300Mp) for backup esoteric skills. Also has muscle augmentation and muscle toner, enhanced articulation, synthacardium and trauma damper. Pistols of 6, assault rifles and rifles of 5, SMG of 4, and edged weapons of 6. Athletics of 3 and Stealth of 4.

Mage - Level 10 shamanic initiate, following the goddess Ishtar (deity of love and war). Sorcery finally up to rating 8, enchanting 7, conjuring 6 and spell design 5. Has picked up pretty much every metamagic talent through either initiation or learning. Has shed all current geas through magic loss, but still has focus additiction. Rating 4 and 8 weapon focus. Also has a rating 12 weapon focus bastard sword that is also an ally spirit rating 6. A rating 6 power focus, rating 6 shield focus, rating 6 manipulation focus, a few spell locks and a few sustaining foci. Average force rating of spells is around 7 or 8.

Al cyberware is delta grade, implanted here and there over a large ammount of time. Bioware was also implanted slowly and is all cultured.
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post Feb 4 2004, 02:59 PM
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Too bad he's not an adept, and too bad he's not a starting character. Otherwise... in the immortal words on keanu reeves: "Woah."
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post Feb 4 2004, 03:05 PM
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Start with magical path(mage, assumed to be hermetic) adept>> mage and adept

Get implants(smartlinks and datajack and eye stuff)>> Sam

Decker(since have datajack already can just add a deck and skills)

Rigger(just add vehicle, a rigger doesn't need a VCR to rig :) )
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post Feb 4 2004, 03:10 PM
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QUOTE (Jason Farlander)
Too bad he's not an adept, and too bad he's not a starting character. Otherwise... in the immortal words on keanu reeves: "Woah."

The only way to have BOTH a mage AND an adept would be to do a physical mage. Such mages are highly difficult to cyber... especially right out of the gate. And he never said anything about starting characters. ;)
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post Feb 4 2004, 03:26 PM
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He *did* say "make and post" as opposed to "make, play across 3 editions until you have a godlike character, and then post." as well as "they do have to fulfill all the roles"
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post Feb 4 2004, 03:40 PM
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Actually: Isn't Adept an equivalent term for any aspected character? IE: You get Conjuring / Sorcery Adepts so wouldn't a hermetic conjuring adept count as an MageAdept?

Aside from that the Path of the Magician is about the best choice with the best grade of VCR1, Datajack, and Smartlink you can fit into 2 essence (you'll need some betaware or better in there).
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post Feb 4 2004, 03:56 PM
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I'd like in but I'd like to know what chargen rules are being used. 123BP? Becks XYZ? Priorities? Is Beta/Cultured ware available? What rating/Availability is allowable?

Also: What, specifically, do characters have to achieve to be counted as a Sammie? Do they need to have 0.01 essence or (as I'm assuming) be good in general combat and have a smartlink? Are Sorcerery/Conjuring/Totemic/Elemental Adepts considered Adepts or do you have to be a Physical Adept?
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post Feb 4 2004, 04:34 PM
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QUOTE (toturi)
Rigger(just add vehicle, a rigger doesn't need a VCR to rig :) )

Um, yes he does. A vehicle control rig. Neither datajack control, nor "pilot's chair" mode are true rigging. They're similar, which is why they're found in the Rigger book (what, you want them in MitS?) But I maintain that you're not Rigging unless you're "jumping into" the vehicle.
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post Feb 4 2004, 06:15 PM
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QUOTE (Austere Emancipator)
Yeah. I bet Kagetenshi and BlackSmith have been building those killer characters for just this purpose.

Right now I'm building a killer essay that was due two days ago, but I'll get on the characters right after that :)

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post Feb 4 2004, 06:24 PM
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QUOTE (Reaver)
Ok. This one has been a long time in the making and started all the way back in 1st ed.
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Rigger - Well, not yet, but does have the essence to afford a level 1 VCR if and when he wants to shell out the major nuyen for a delta grade version and the skilled surgeon. Does have a few nice cars already and an old SPECAT International Jaguar fighter. Does have a datajack and all his vehicles have a datajack port.

Decker - Has an implanted Math SPU (3) and Encephalon (2). Has a highly modified Trans-Berry NeuroSys cyberdeck that he picked up from a published adventure (Imago I think). MPCP 13 (running of 12 since it uses a reality filter) and most programs are at an average of 6. Computer skill is only a 4, with a B/R of 2. Decking is more of a past time/hobby than a full fledged skill.

Samurai - Has dual smartgun rig, a single cybereye (which he lost in a fight with a bug shaman) and a rating 6 implanted radio (w/ commlink 4, crypto-circuit 8, scramble breaker 6 and a cybercomm link). Skillwire 6 (300Mp) for backup esoteric skills. Also has muscle augmentation and muscle toner, enhanced articulation, synthacardium and trauma damper. Pistols of 6, assault rifles and rifles of 5, SMG of 4, and edged weapons of 6. Athletics of 3 and Stealth of 4.

Mage - Level 10 shamanic initiate, following the goddess Ishtar (deity of love and war). Sorcery finally up to rating 8, enchanting 7, conjuring 6 and spell design 5. Has picked up pretty much every metamagic talent through either initiation or learning. Has shed all current geas through magic loss, but still has focus additiction. Rating 4 and 8 weapon focus. Also has a rating 12 weapon focus bastard sword that is also an ally spirit rating 6. A rating 6 power focus, rating 6 shield focus, rating 6 manipulation focus, a few spell locks and a few sustaining foci. Average force rating of spells is around 7 or 8.

Al cyberware is delta grade, implanted here and there over a large ammount of time. Bioware was also implanted slowly and is all cultured.

Man, when I read shit like that, I remember why I'm so picky about who I play with. That character is just freakin' lame and rediculous.
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post Feb 4 2004, 06:42 PM
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QUOTE (Grey)

Man, when I read shit like that, I remember why I'm so picky about who I play with. That character is just freakin' lame and rediculous.

That character has been played since 1st ed. Do you have any characters you've played with for that long? Frankly I find your tone insulting and uncalled for.
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post Feb 4 2004, 07:32 PM
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QUOTE (Grey)
Man, when I read shit like that, I remember why I'm so picky about who I play with. That character is just freakin' lame and rediculous.

ah, a realist. its too bad you diddnt stay as a child when you gained experience and age.
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post Feb 4 2004, 07:39 PM
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Eventually characters get to a point where they can retire. Ask yourself this... You were a shadowrunner, risking your life day in, day out, just so some Johnson will pay you a bit of money, but then again, he may just stab you in the back. Eventually, you get the "big score" and have enough to buy a permanent high lifestyle. Do you keep risking your life for people who don't give a damn about you, or do you life the easy life?
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post Feb 4 2004, 07:40 PM
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Depends what you're running for.
Even amongst those who don't have ideals they fight for or revenge to seek, some people just forget how to live any other way.

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post Feb 4 2004, 07:41 PM
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QUOTE (Grey)
Eventually characters get to a point where they can retire. Ask yourself this... You were a shadowrunner, risking your life day in, day out, just so some Johnson will pay you a bit of money, but then again, he may just stab you in the back. Eventually, you get the "big score" and have enough to buy a permanent high lifestyle. Do you keep risking your life for people who don't give a damn about you, or do you life the easy life?

Depends on the person and thier goals. At that level, maybe you just become more like a Johnson, personally hiring a team to accomplish to goal and personally making sure its completed. Every character has different outlooks and goals. Then there are some who are just addicted to the action. ;)
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then again, some people want to get out of the house and away from the kids.
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eh reav?
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