Sapient Gargoyles, Missing them im RC ^^ Options

[Draco18s]

Why not tie their hardened armor to their magic rating per Immunity to Normal Weapons?

Because of [very valid reason stated above] which is why drakes don't get it either.

[Makki]

also, stone is stone and not depending on magic...

anybody wanna try and comment on the attributes and BP cost?

[sunnyside]

First of all as I was about to type this message, I realized Eathdawn has the worst abbreviation of any game system.

Anyway, especially through the early books of Shadowrun and I think earthdawn as well, Gargoyles have always been a highly variable bunch. There isn't just one type.

Therefore if you want to make a sapient non-obsidimen variety, I think you have reason enough to just bust out and do what plays well. Since they're elementalish you've got a lot of room to play.

When it comes to game balance, I think the first question is if the suckers are allowed to be adepts and mages, and if they have any restrictions on using modified gear. I would think both would be allowed, and so you if you use Makki's numbers you might want to charge even more than 100 BP

[Ryu]

Gargoyle: ?? BP 100?

B: 6/11 They have bod 10, but that has to be balanced down
A: 1/6 2/7 would be consistent, but no reason for it, really
R: 3/8 this is consistent, but might be unbalanced
S: 6/11 see bod
C: 1/3 maybe 1/4
I: 1/5
L: 1/3 maybe 1/4
W: 1/6

E: 1/5
M: 1/6

Ok. Bod +7 Str +7 AGI +1 Rea +2 Cha -2 Int +1 Log -1 Will +1 = net +16. Gain "Flight", limited to deltaware, automatic distinct style. I would go out and say that even the unreduced statline is not a steal at 100 BP. A few Body dice are not worth being the fire magnet.

Ini Passes: 2

Powers: Sapience, Hardened Armor (10), Enhanced Senses (Lowlight Vision), Natural Weapons (Bite, Claws), Concealment (Self), Noxious Breath

Weaknesses: Allergy (Sunlight, Mild), Vulnerability (Ferrous Metal) No Uneducated, Uncouth, as they grow up in cities close to metahumanity

Walking rate: Human
Flying rate: 20/50

Ini Passes 2, cool. Hardened Armor 10 is too much - assume SR gargoyles to carry armor on top. I`d suggest Hardened Armor 4 (giving said amount to Drakes, too).
Uncouth I would allow, as they might play the "silent observer" part till it hurts, but fail to realise that metahumans do NOT objectivly observe what they do. In most cases.

[Dakka Dakka]

Ok. Bod +7 Str +7 AGI +1 Rea +2 Cha -2 Int +1 Log -1 Will +1 = net +16.

How do you get a +7 with BOD of 6/11? Assuming that 1/6 is +0, I'd say 6/11 is +5. CHA and LOG should be -3 or -2 depending on whtether they're 1/3 or 1/4. INT at -1.

Hardened Armor 10 is too much - assume SR gargoyles to carry armor on top. I`d suggest Hardened Armor 4 (giving said amount to Drakes, too).

Hardened armor is very tricky as it is mostly worthless or very powerful. I think non-hardened armor combined with regeneration would be more interesting. So the gargoyle would have to roll all the time (just like drakes), but still is more resilient than the average human.

[Ryu]

How do you get a +7 with BOD of 6/11? Assuming that 1/6 is +0, I'd say 6/11 is +5. CHA and LOG should be -3 or -2 depending on whtether they're 1/3 or 1/4. INT at -1.

Looking at the RW gargoyle from a base-3 statline.

[Ryu]

How do you get a +7 with BOD of 6/11? Assuming that 1/6 is +0, I'd say 6/11 is +5. CHA and LOG should be -3 or -2 depending on whtether they're 1/3 or 1/4. INT at -1.

Looking at the RW gargoyle from a base-3 statline.

[Makki]

Ini Passes 2, cool. Hardened Armor 10 is too much - assume SR gargoyles to carry armor on top.

Uncouth I would allow, as they might play the "silent observer" part till it hurts, but fail to realise that metahumans do NOT objectivly observe what they do. In most cases.

what about Hardenend Armor 10, incompatible with worn armor. That's how SURGE Armor (Granite Shell & Rhino Hide) works after all.
ofc nobody is forbidden to take Uncouth. But they shouldn't get it integral to their species like Centaurs do.

[Ryu]

what about Hardenend Armor 10, incompatible with worn armor. That's how SURGE Armor (Granite Shell & Rhino Hide) works after all.
ofc nobody is forbidden to take Uncouth. But they shouldn't get it integral to their species like Centaurs do.

On Oncouth: I didn´t get your meaning. Not integral instead of forbidden is ok.

Forbidden layering does not make sense IMO. Useable armor would be custom-made, but easily so. And an extra shell should reduce damage. What about Hardened 6 (layering allowed)? Deflects most small arms attacks on it´s own, an average DV-2 against the attacks with DV>6.

[Makki]

just stumbled over the Cygoyle in War!. A Gargoyle Biodrone oO
and ofc, being War!, inconsistency is its greatest feature: Hardened Armor 6 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

at least now we know a Gargoles cost: Cygoyle minus 'ware = 210k
also, the Essence was calculated wrong, while the magic is correct -.-

Edit:
Just thought about it. Cygoyle has Magic 3. So they might actually have Hardened Armor (Magic x2)

[KarmaInferno]

The Gargoyles TV show could so fit right into the Shadowrun universe.

Xanatos as a head of one of the Megacorps.




-k

[Stahlseele]

*Nods* ^^

[Draco18s]

The Gargoyles TV show could so fit right into the Shadowrun universe.

Xanatos as a head of one of the Megacorps.

Show even had magic. Which could be countered by technology (simply because Energy is Energy, regardless of where it originates).