Shadows of Latin America?, Whats the story? Options

[hermit]

Bolivia is almost ready for posting, and there's more coming after that.

Yay!

I've seen a lot of people complaining on how the NAN doesn't make sense in the first place

First off, thanks for the accent fix. I knew one had to be somewhere, just not where.

Also, as for the NAN, didn't they institute a one-drop rule or grandfather's rule? If so, a good portion of the US population would apply. Also, I seem to remember they had an aggressive immigration policy for one-droppers from the UCAS/CAS/CAL as well as received all identified tribals from there save for some tribe on the East Coast who only is there because Dunkelzahn loved them for some reason.

my complaint is that some people would resort to terro-, erm, liberation fighters to prevent such a massive relocation and as far as I know (and I could as well be wrong), I've never seen any rebel group fighting to restore Brazil.

For they are crunchy and taste good with a variety of spicy sauces. Whoever was not relocated was *eaten* by a horde of stampeding critters, I imagine. Pockets of Resistance fighters might prevail, of course, a bit like the Anglo reservations in the UCAS.

About Metrópole, well, I think that, to get an sprawl from Rio to São Paulo, this monster would grow also to the north of Rio de Janeiro state (lots of oil there!) and west of São Paulo state (at least to the region around Campinas). That would be like 800km wide!

This assumes no Great Dragon would take offense in that. Hualpa is not the only dragon around in Amazonia. The Green Menace does not have that name for fun.

I disagree in some aspects. MST is more about land reform and is based in constitutional rights about land use

Are these the guys who supported your current president when he was first elected?

[bernardo]

Also, as for the NAN, didn't they institute a one-drop rule or grandfather's rule? If so, a good portion of the US population would apply. Also, I seem to remember they had an aggressive immigration policy for one-droppers from the UCAS/CAS/CAL as well as received all identified tribals from there save for some tribe on the East Coast who only is there because Dunkelzahn loved them for some reason.

Cool! If that is the case with Amazonia then I could apply for not been eaten by the critters! You see, in Brasil the ethnic groups are, in general, all mixed together. My family, for exemple, is a mix of portuguese, spanish, african, italian, dutch and native brazillians and that is quite common.

Are these the guys who supported your current president when he was first elected?

Well, not exactly. President Lula is from the PT (Partido dos Trabalhadores - Workers' Party), a party born inside the labor unions movement at the last years of the dictatorship. The origins of MST is in the rural workers' movements from the same period. So both share similar origins and the same left-wing position in the political spectrum and one supported the other most of the time. The thing is that, at 2002 ellections, the PT moved to a more left-center or center position so it would "look good" for the middle and upper classes. That is what made Lula be ellected - before that he was allways stuck at around 30% of the votes. So, to win the elections it was all about public relations and marketing to make people believe that Lula was no "red menace". But the MST is famous for its direct action tactics - they occupy land to call atention for the agrarian reform issue - and it is not good for the image PT wanted for 2002. So, at that time, the MST was not "officialy" supporting PT and PT was not "officialy" supporting MST, but I believe many people from MST voted for Lula.

I know, the explanation is quite messy... I can try to explain better if you'd like, just send me a pm.

[Bira]

Also, as for the NAN, didn't they institute a one-drop rule or grandfather's rule?

As I said elsewhere, I tend to make things less, well, race-based in my games. I say that, while the revolt that formed the NAN was indeed led by Native Americans, it wasn't entirely made up of them. I mean, they fought to depose a government that was okay with putting people into concentration camps. I'm pretty sure that would piss off a large portion of Americans, native or not. The "Native American" nations, therefore, have a much more diverse population than their name would suggest. Native Americans formed the core leadership of the movement, and so their cultural trappings were adopted as a form of self identification. By 2070, that cultured has seeped through most of their societies.

Same thing with Amazonia and its paracritters. I can see something on the level of a Great Ghost Dance defeating a national army. A "paracritter invasion", not so much. The "Big Magic Ritual" here was more focused on boosting ecosystems than into winning a war. To me it's more plausible that the dragons had won the hearts and minds of a sizeable portion of the population before the so-called invasion began, and did just enough to keep everyone happy afterwards that they managed to stabilize their new regime. As we say here, it all ended in pizza (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) . Rather than "forced relocation", I can see a series of "incentives" for people to move out of the areas being swallowed by the magically enhanced ecosystem through the decades.

[Brazilian_Shinob...]

First off, thanks for the accent fix. I knew one had to be somewhere, just not where.

Heh, no problem. If there was one thing it touched me as "weird" when I was learning english is the lack of accents.

Also, as for the NAN, didn't they institute a one-drop rule or grandfather's rule? If so, a good portion of the US population would apply. Also, I seem to remember they had an aggressive immigration policy for one-droppers from the UCAS/CAS/CAL as well as received all identified tribals from there save for some tribe on the East Coast who only is there because Dunkelzahn loved them for some reason.

Uhm, well, I didn't know that. This way a lot of non-Native supporters could go into the fold as well, specially, the more instructed personel necessary to run a country.

For they are crunchy and taste good with a variety of spicy sauces. Whoever was not relocated was *eaten* by a horde of stampeding critters, I imagine. Pockets of Resistance fighters might prevail, of course, a bit like the Anglo reservations in the UCAS.

LOL! Yeah, I could go with that, "they" say we taste like pork, right? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/devil.gif)

Are these the guys who supported your current president when he was first elected?

Officialy? No, but they do receive a lot of formal and informal support when they ask for it but it is like your sig says. Communism is like herpes (and devil rats).

[JongWK]

OK, here's Bolivia in 2064.

Feel free to use it for non-commercial purposes. Enjoy!

[pbangarth]

Thanks, JongWK!

[The Dragon Girl]

am I the only one who wants to gather up the pdfs and make them into one big one with all the little side bars and the like in? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[hermit]

Thank you, JongWK!

@Dragongirl: In case you want to (and none of the respective authors object), would you share?

Also, I think these files deserve to be hosted on Dumpshock. Again, barring the disagreement of the respective authors.

Heh, no problem. If there was one thing it touched me as "weird" when I was learning english is the lack of accents.

True, must be weird for you. For me, the most baffling thing was how little writing has to do with speech.

Uhm, well, I didn't know that. This way a lot of non-Native supporters could go into the fold as well, specially, the more instructed personel necessary to run a country.

I *think* it was in Findley's books, but I could be mistaken. Anyway, it would only make sense. They would need them direly.

Officialy? No, but they do receive a lot of formal and informal support when they ask for it but it is like your sig says. Communism is like herpes (and devil rats).

Yah. Don't tell me. Ours are involved in the government again and looking to take over the social democrats.

And yes, pork would be a decent approximation, I think. Sweeter though.

[Stahlseele]

am I the only one who wants to gather up the pdfs and make them into one big one with all the little side bars and the like in? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

do it!

[SirBedevere]

Thanks JongWK! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


@Dragon Girl Yes please!

[hermit]

What of Amazonia and Argentina and Peru? While we're at it? Do the respective writers still hang here and are willing to publish their stuff for free on the internet?

[Demonseed Elite]

am I the only one who wants to gather up the pdfs and make them into one big one with all the little side bars and the like in? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

The freelancers who worked on it would love to do that. But we're still trying to get in touch with some of the authors. If we're ever able to contact everyone and get them to approve releasing the drafts, I could certainly put them together into a single PDF. Not with the level of quality that Adam does it, but it'd be something. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Stahlseele]

Nobody could do it in the level of Quality that Adam does i guess . .

[JongWK]

What of Amazonia and Argentina and Peru? While we're at it? Do the respective writers still hang here and are willing to publish their stuff for free on the internet?

Argentina: Synner.
Amazonia: Synner & other authors.
Peru: I'm still in contact with the two Peruvian authors. More on this soon.

I still have to upload Crime, Panama and Caracas.

[hermit]

Argentina: Synner.
Amazonia: Synner & other authors.
Peru: I'm still in contact with the two Peruvian authors. More on this soon.

I still have to upload Crime, Panama and Caracas.

Thanks a bunch! I love to finally see this!

[Rotbart van Dain...]

Thanks a lot – keep 'em coming. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Synner]

To clarify what Demonseed posted: Since Catalyst has pulled the plug on the possibility of an official release, we are trying to (re)contact all the authors involved in the SoLA project to get their approval to release their material for non-commercial purposes. We already have a number of sections/chapters greenlit (incl. Paraguay, Argentina, Amazonia, the Corporate and Crime overviews, Panama, and Caracas) besides the ones posted. We could just release the drafts on Dumpshock and be done with it, but I was kind of hoping to get this laid out proper and presented as a full-blown unoffficial sourcebook.

PS: I have a couple of volunteers lined up to handle the layout, but they're not going to have time available to do this in the next month or so. So anyone interested in helping with this side of things, please drop me a line (my address is in my profile).

[Rotbart van Dain...]

That would be really great. Of course, that doesn't mean raw chapters as a preview aren't appreciated – just in case. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

As for Bolivia:

[ Spoiler ]

Bug Guevara bringing true socialism to mankind.

I like. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[JongWK]

Have I mentioned how much I hate Internet Explorer? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

Panama will be available for download as soon as I return home in a few hours.

[JongWK]

Panama Pan-Corporate Zone available for download now. If you haven't done so yet, you can also download Bolivia. Feel free to use them for non-commercial purposes.

Enjoy! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/vegm.gif)


1st EDIT: Caracas also available now. Feel free to use for non-commercial purposes.

2nd EDIT: Peru in 2064, written by José "Pepe" Barbe (Philomitus) and Hugo Medina (Heianpe). Feel free to use for non-commercial purposes.

Also: Argentina by Peter Taylor (Synner), Aztlan and Caribbean League by Jason Levine (Demonseed Elite), and French Guiana by Bobby Derie (Ancient History).

3rd EDIT: Crime in Latin America available for download now. Feel free to use for non-commercial purposes.

This post has been edited by JongWK: Dec 16 2010, 02:07 AM

[Demonseed Elite]

awesome, JWK! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Angelone]

Thanks alot. Really appreciate it. I don't remember if I thanked the other authors yet too, so if I haven't thanks all.

[JongWK]

I've just uploaded my Caracas draft. Feel free to use it for non-commercial purposes. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/read.gif)

[The Dragon Girl]

To clarify what Demonseed posted: Since Catalyst has pulled the plug on the possibility of an official release, we are trying to (re)contact all the authors involved in the SoLA project to get their approval to release their material for non-commercial purposes. We already have a number of sections/chapters greenlit (incl. Paraguay, Argentina, Amazonia, the Corporate and Crime overviews, Panama, and Caracas) besides the ones posted. We could just release the drafts on Dumpshock and be done with it, but I was kind of hoping to get this laid out proper and presented as a full-blown unoffficial sourcebook.

PS: I have a couple of volunteers lined up to handle the layout, but they're not going to have time available to do this in the next month or so. So anyone interested in helping with this side of things, please drop me a line (my address is in my profile).

Let me know if you guys want any art pieces for it.

Unfortunately its been a good ten years since I last fooled around with, or got any training in making PDFs. I'd be willing to learn and give a hand, but I also don't believe I have the software. (Still if no one else had been on this, I would have given it a go, I'm certain someone else can do this part much better than I could.)

[Megu]

Where is the hint in Bolivia about the bugs? I'm reading and reading and can't find the foreshadowing the OOC section refers to.