Untrained Magician, Number of Spells Options

[Kovu Muphasa]

Untrained Magician

Number of Spells

I have a player who want to play a Mystic Adept, he want to start with the Adept Powers, but he wants to learn his Spells later for Fluff reasons. He is not starting with the Spellcasting Skill. I am using the Priority System for this campaign.

The Question is: Does he get his his Spells for free or does he have to pay the Karma for them when he starts to actively Casting Spells.

[BishopMcQ]

The maximum number of spells you can know is Spellcasting*2. If the character's Spellcasting is 0, I'd say they get 0 spells.

He would spend Karma for learning them later, instead of paying BP for them at chargen.


Edit: My response was for SR4. If doing SR3, you can dole out the spells he would normally get slowly as he gains his spellcasting ability. (Sorcery skill if I recall correctly.)

[Kovu Muphasa]

The maximum number of spells you can know is Spellcasting*2. If the character's Spellcasting is 0, I'd say they get 0 spells.

He would spend Karma for learning them later, instead of paying BP for them at chargen.


Edit: My response was for SR4. If doing SR3, you can dole out the spells he would normally get slowly as he gains his spellcasting ability. (Sorcery skill if I recall correctly.)

Thanks
Actuly this is for SR4 I am using the optial rules from Runners Companion.
-It says to Take Magition and If you wish to take a mystic adept instead of an adept or a magician, simply choose a Talent Priority that
grants the Magician quality, take one additional spell, and follow the rules for mystic adepts from there.
-It also says that If you choose a magician, your character may start with the number of spells listed for the Priority taken.
Does this overide the Spellcasting X2 limit on starting Spells?

[Muspellsheimr]

I advise not using Priority. It sucks. A lot.

[Kovu Muphasa]

I am using this for old Dark Conspiracy / Twilight: 2000 / MERC: 2000 / World of Darkness game.
The Priority System makes it simple to handle thing like Vampires / Werewolves / Mages and Immortals; all of them are Priority A
I also change the Attribute Numbers a little to increase them a hair.

A 24
B 21
C 18
D 15
E 12

[BishopMcQ]

If you are using the optional rules in RC, you will need to make a judgment call. The rules do not expressly allow a character to bypass the normal maximums at character generation of 2*Spellcasting, they just provide a cap on the absolute maximum of spells taken.

I will standfast by my earlier recommendation of paying karma to learn spells as they learn Spellcasting.

[Omenowl]

Let him learn the spells. It is not like he is going to be casting high force spells with frequency and he still takes 1 die penalty for not being trained. Otherwise you could figure for every 3 spells he should get 1 extra attribute, or 2 skills.

Priority system ignores the 2x spellcasting limit. The is for the build point system only.

[Aerospider]

... he still takes 1 die penalty for not being trained.

Can't use Spellcasting untrained.