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Feb 22 2010, 09:10 PM
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,486 Joined: 17-March 05 From: Michigan Member No.: 7,180 |
Also, IMHO, since tutorsofts are generally cheaper than human instructors, but only come in ratings 1-5, there would only be a solid market for instruction for things that cannot be taught by tutorsofts (magic, and martial arts, see above) and for skills being taught at ratings 6+ - but your mileage may vary.
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Feb 23 2010, 12:28 AM
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Target ![]() Group: Members Posts: 63 Joined: 23-February 10 Member No.: 18,192 |
SR4A says that instruction in complex fors generally rungs about instruction skill x 1000.
My GM and I just had to make something up for long term tutoring. |
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Feb 23 2010, 06:45 AM
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 132 Joined: 30-January 08 Member No.: 15,579 |
Yeah, she's got Pistols at 6 w/ specialization SA's and Improved Combat Ability Pistols 3 so....yeah (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Instruction skill x 1000 doesn't sound too bad (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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Feb 23 2010, 07:59 AM
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 110 Joined: 22-February 10 Member No.: 18,190 |
Right now, we've decided for the armorer to just use the skill for her own benefit. That, or mod up the weapons that we steal, instead of constantly trying to get stock in weapons to mod up over the month in downtime. That was the only way we could figure out for Armorer skill to be profitable by the numbers in a time spent vs. money gained standpoint. The GM encouraged her to take instruction, and that she could use that and her Pistols skill to make money during down time. I just can't find any hard and fast rules for the costs of an instructor. The shops we do have will make use of the Manservant idea though, and she'll probably have a desktop forge and a couple manservants for her shop (to give it the abilities of a facility while using the manservants to make up for the hit you take in DP due to insufficient tools.) The ideas have been great! Definately keep them coming (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) How about your fixer hooks the adept up and pay him to give the once over on hardware merchandise? "Hey chummer, I got a stash of Chinese Predator pistol knockoffs that have sticky triggers and nobody will buy them until they're worked on. 50 creds a pop if you smooth the action up. Shouldn't take more than an hour per pistol." "A crate of AKs fell off a truck and I happened to get hold of them. 25 credits a pop if you take off all the serial numbers, and an extra 25 a pop if you give them the once over and separate out any that you feel would gum up and fail on me. Oh, and most of them should have already had the blood wiped off of them, but if not, be a chum and clean them up okay?" "Wouldn't you know it? An ork gang has decided their weapon of choice is going to be an alloy baseball bat with a shotgun wired to the handle. Got someone turning the bats at record speed, got the shotgun pistols, but what I don't have is someone to wire them together. You up for it?" "Jimmy the Hutt is buying a truckload of SMGs to sell to the triads. He'll pay you 3 grand if you inspect the weapons and make sure they're of good quality." "Some runners wanna know if their new boomstick is going to blow up in their face. Picked it up on a run in Hong Kong back during the 'mancer troubles but hadn't had the balls to shoot it yet. Willing to give it a go-over for a thousand credits?" "Dude, I need a middle-man. Buy this crate of shotguns for 5000 credits from these trustworthy and honest-looking citizens, and I'll buy it off of you for 10k. " I'm sure you *could* come up with more reasons, but as you make connections in the field, I'd imagine business comes to *you* in your offtime. |
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Feb 23 2010, 04:05 PM
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Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 |
Yeah, she's got Pistols at 6 w/ specialization SA's and Improved Combat Ability Pistols 3 so....yeah (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Instruction skill x 1000 doesn't sound too bad (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Not [skill to teach] * 1000. Instruction * 1000. Instruction is a skill. |
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Feb 23 2010, 04:32 PM
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,486 Joined: 17-March 05 From: Michigan Member No.: 7,180 |
Not [skill to teach] * 1000. Instruction * 1000. Instruction is a skill. This. Also, as I said before, training time could take months. It does in the case of martial arts, and skill groups, and even for individual skills, the interval for the learning test is in weeks. Net hits from the instruction test help reduce that time, but those costs are not per month, they are per karma-expenditure, so it is quite likely that your instruction skill x 1000 nuyen will be spread over two (or more!) months - particularly if your student has a poor pistols skill or poor intuition. |
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Feb 23 2010, 07:39 PM
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,679 Joined: 19-September 09 Member No.: 17,652 |
This. Also, as I said before, training time could take months. It does in the case of martial arts, and skill groups, and even for individual skills, the interval for the learning test is in weeks. Net hits from the instruction test help reduce that time, but those costs are not per month, they are per karma-expenditure, so it is quite likely that your instruction skill x 1000 nuyen will be spread over two (or more!) months - particularly if your student has a poor pistols skill or poor intuition. Of course depending on how much time you have to spend on an individual student, you could easily have more than one student. Heck, you might even be able to have small classes and get paid for a half dozen people at once. |
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Feb 23 2010, 08:14 PM
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 132 Joined: 30-January 08 Member No.: 15,579 |
Yeah, I noticed that its based on instruction skill, not what you're teaching. You can only teach to a rating of that skill that you actually have though, so that means she can be teaching the higher end. As for the intervals, yeah, that kinda sucks. We're trying to figure out just how exactly we're going to handle it at the moment. She wants to be good at instruction, and receive a decent amount....however, this is Shadowrun, not Businessrun.....so she doesn't want to invest all of her Karma for the next few sessions towards it.....understandably. Now, remember, we have to buy our hits, not roll for them (since GM can't verify the rolls in between sessions.) With her 5 instruction, and 6 Cha she's just 1 shy of being able to buy 3 hits. However, its every 2 net hits that you get the additional die...meaning she needs 4 hits, or a DP of 16....at the least. With it being a social test, and her being an adept, things could easily be boosted though. Hmm.
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