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 Feb 9 2004, 09:19 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 777 Joined: 18-February 03 Member No.: 4,110  |
Forgive me if this has been covered, but I wanted to hear what my fellow dumpshockers thoughts are;
If someone were to transport a sample of HMHVV into space, what would happen to it? Would it revert to the state it was in before the awakening, or would it still be as we know it now? If it were to revert to a pre-awakening state, would it switch back upon reintroduction to a manasphere? Can an HMHVV positive person survive in space? (No, right?) Could a mage or magically active person survive a a trip in space if they were kept cryogenically frozen for the duration, or would they still be harmed? |
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Feb 9 2004, 09:22 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 184 Joined: 1-January 04 Member No.: 5,948 |
I thought mages can survive space just fine as long as they don't astrally project or perceive or try casting spells.
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Feb 9 2004, 09:26 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 198 Joined: 26-December 03 Member No.: 5,935 |
Yeah, but an HMHVV positive person is going to be dual natured.
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Feb 9 2004, 09:27 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,047 Joined: 12-November 03 From: Perilously close to the Sioux Nation. Member No.: 5,818 |
Your right on that account, sable. I think most infected races would be fine, since the changes are on a massive scale.
However, I think HHMVV samples, outside of the body, would degrade back into what they were, or just strands of protein, depending on their construction. |
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Feb 9 2004, 09:27 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 777 Joined: 18-February 03 Member No.: 4,110 |
so if they stick to that they can return to earth without loss of abilities? |
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Feb 9 2004, 09:29 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 777 Joined: 18-February 03 Member No.: 4,110 |
would the samples reawaken when returned? |
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Feb 9 2004, 09:31 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,049 Joined: 24-March 03 Member No.: 4,323 |
Anything dual-natured (or purely astral) is pretty much as good as dead once it leaves the atmosphere. Other than that, you should no problems unless you try to actively use magic. Banshees, formorians, vampires, wendigoes and dzoo-noo-qua are HMHVV-infected and are not dual-natured, so they shouldnt be affected by being in outer space unless I'm missing something.
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Feb 9 2004, 10:05 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,759 Joined: 11-December 02 From: France Member No.: 3,723 |
I don't think the virus would return to a mundane form or disappear. Metahumans can go into space without becoming humans or being dissolved into primal proteins. However IIRC babies born up there are always humans (but do they goblinize when going back on Earth ? Damn, can't remember where do this come from...).
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Feb 9 2004, 10:51 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 45 Joined: 17-December 03 From: CAS, Houston Member No.: 5,913 |
Question: Does this include dragons? I either haven't read it or I don't have the source book. |
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Feb 9 2004, 11:27 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 777 Joined: 18-February 03 Member No.: 4,110 |
I'm going to really embrace my ignorance here, but I think I might have heard something about dragons hitching a ride on a comet or chunk of debris or something, and that's how they got to earth. Any truth to that, or am I on crack? |
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Feb 9 2004, 11:31 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
you're sorta on crack. Ghostwalker apparently used the mana spike caused by Halley's return to free himself from the metaplanes. that's not quite the same as riding a comet like a Harley, though.
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Feb 9 2004, 11:48 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 114 Joined: 24-November 02 Member No.: 3,638 |
Wait, Ghostwalker was riding Harly? What's Frosty going to think of that? |
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Feb 10 2004, 01:35 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 45 Joined: 17-December 03 From: CAS, Houston Member No.: 5,913 |
Correct me if if this is all bunk, but about those photos in Dunkelzahn's will from Mars (the ones with the skeleton at the bottom.) Has anyone speculated what creature it is (dragon?) or do most people think its just a big hoax?
Yeah, those saucers do look kinda fake :| |
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Feb 10 2004, 02:11 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 518 Joined: 24-February 03 From: Tucson Member No.: 4,153 |
Actually, with filtering metamagic, you could cast spells in space. :) The bone samples from the "dragon" in the picture were proven to NOT be a dragon, but they weren't sure what it was. You'd have to play Mission Mars in the Missions adventure book to know the full details. |
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Feb 10 2004, 02:18 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 198 Joined: 26-December 03 Member No.: 5,935 |
you'd still have to be a hell of an initiate to get filtering to make spell casting resonable in space.
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Feb 10 2004, 02:23 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 518 Joined: 24-February 03 From: Tucson Member No.: 4,153 |
Never said it was easy, just said it was possible. ;) |
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Feb 10 2004, 02:51 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 48 Joined: 12-March 03 Member No.: 4,241 |
SOMEONE is a SR newbie! |
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Feb 10 2004, 02:56 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
I believe that this was a joking response in another thread. As for dragons, my theory is that it's never been tested. ~J |
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Feb 10 2004, 04:44 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 777 Joined: 18-February 03 Member No.: 4,110 |
Could very well be. So are Dragons terrestrial then? Or do we not know? |
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Feb 10 2004, 06:40 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,049 Joined: 24-March 03 Member No.: 4,323 |
Well, dual beings in outer space (including dragons) have to resist 14D damage every 3 seconds. The Body for a dragon (not great) lies anywhere between 15 and 24. Even with 24 dice, Mr. Dragon isnt pretty much guaranteed to die rather quickly.
Great Dragons have 25+ body dice to throw at it, which still isnt enough to survive. They may have some metamagical means of either supressing their dual nature or blocking the effects of a manawarp, or they may not. Nobody knows. (Particle Man) |
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Feb 10 2004, 06:49 AM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
FYI: Vampires are NOT dual natured. |
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Feb 10 2004, 07:07 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,049 Joined: 24-March 03 Member No.: 4,323 |
Hold on a sec... I feel something... coming...
Ahh... there it is... I swear, some people just don't even bother... |
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Feb 10 2004, 07:19 AM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
OOps... :D
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Feb 10 2004, 07:30 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 745 Joined: 26-July 03 From: Montréal, QC, Canada Member No.: 5,029 |
I suspect nothing would happen to it, as it is neither Awakened nor astrally projecting. Hell, it would probably still be highly infectious.
As others have pointed out, it mostly depends on which kind of "infected" you're talking about. Fr'instance, I suspect that ghouls would be in a world of hurt. On the other hand, there's no reason I can see why vampires, nosferatu or bain sidhe would have any trouble.
Again, as others have pointed out, as long as said mage remains firmly within the mundane world and refrains from astrally projecting or perceiving, they're golden. |
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Feb 10 2004, 01:45 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,665 Joined: 26-April 03 From: Sweden Member No.: 4,516 |
Well, some sort of spell to simulate regeneration (or multiple Treat spells with lots of successes) coupled with a spell to increase body (hard for a GD, but with centering and karma pool and maybe a focus or three they could manage - or maybe cast it through a dragon-ritual...) and some form of the movement power (either threough a spell, or a metamagic like the one Horse shamans can learn) to speed up movement, maybe an increase quickness spell too...
I'm sure there are a few other spells that could be used - maybe a kick-ass Personal Astral Barrier would decrease the power of the damage? Or maybe using metamagic to make some sort of astral construct to protect them... I'd say given enough preparation, a dragon could survive in outer space - at least for a short while. Long enough to go to Mars? Highly doubtful. All speculation, of course. :elims: |
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