Actions, Turn Sequence Thread Options

[Panzergeist]

I think this board could use a thread about actions. Anyone with a question about what kind of action a certain action is, or anything else regarding the turn sequence, initiative, or combat phases, post them here.

I have a couple of questions to start out with. What kind of action is it to make a relocating test to find a hiding vehicle? And for the quick draw action, does the +2 modifier for an improper holster apply to concealed holsters?

[Lilt]

[Tziluthi]

Personally speaking, the way that it is described in the book, I feel that any holster (read: not having stuffed the gun into your pocket/belt/pants) negates that +2TN penalty. Just so long as you can draw the pistol without catching it on anything, there is no +2TN penalty, regardless of the later addition of quickdraw holsters in CC.

[Jason Farlander]

Regular holsters have snaps or velcro straps to keep the gun from falling out of the holster when you're getting your athletics on (running, jumping, tumbling, getting up after being knocked down by a barrage of bullets or a sweep attack). Those things get in the way of quickly drawing your weapon. The quick draw holsters lack anything that secures the weapon in the holster, making it easy to draw the weapon quickly, but also easy for the weapon to fall out if you arent careful.

[Herald of Verjig...]

Why does it cost 50 :nuyen: to remove a strap?
If the difference was the lack of a restraining device, quickdraw holsters should not cost any more than regular holsters.

[Jason Farlander]

Because those who want a quickdraw holster are willing to pay more for one? Perhaps the quickdrawness is marketed as an "added feature." Perhaps theres a tax on them to reduce their prevalence. Not all price differences represent differences in manufacturing cost.

What would you suggest is the physical difference between a standard or concealable holster and the quickdraw versions?

[Elfie]

Maybe quickdraw holsters are molded to be able to hold a gun in the holster during normal 'activity', but since the gun is not sealed in the holster, the user can just grab the gun and with little effort (read normal drawing motion) pull the gun free of the holster? I can picture the molded material in my head, but I can't adequately describe it at the moment...

[Herald of Verjig...]

[Jason Farlander]

Herald and Elfie: What you're saying is reasonable. Its actually never come up in a game for me, so I (as I often do) made up an answer that made sense to me. How about lets stop hijacking this thread now, mmkay?

[Fortune]

The only Quick Draw holsters I have ever seen are the 'break-away' type shoulder holsters, with velcro (or equivalent) holding the gun in place. These differ from regular holsters that have snaps/buckles/buttons/flaps/whatever.

[Shanshu Freeman]

[Kagetenshi]

I believe that Quickdraw was phased out, though some OS 9 and earlier/"Classic" programs probably still use it.

~J

[Panzergeist]

All vehicle actions are complex? I know activating smoke dischargers and oil slick sprayers are simple actions. And manual gunnery supposedly follows the rules of normal firearm use, so isn't shooting a gun manually a simple action, but with the option of using more simple actions to aim?

[mfb]

well, the 'vehicle actions are complex' thing is a quote from the rigger section of SR3. it should probably be errata'd to read 'unless noted otherwise'.

[Wu Jen]

[Lindt]

Cant use the Adrenaline Surge edge with ANY reation enhancing cyber/magic.

[Wu Jen]

Ack! Very true and NSRCG didn't even warn me :P You will still have the numbers I listed above you just won't have the chance to get higher :) Well take off 2 flaw points then as well :)

[broho_pcp]

This is my best shot

A: Attributes- 30 (put 8 in Quickness and 7 in Intelligence)
B: Race- Any Race (elf)
C: Resources- 90,000 (buy wired reflexes (1), trigger, inhaler, 20 doses of jazz)
D: Skills- 30
E: Magic- Mundane

Edges:
Bonus Attribute: Quickness (+2)
Exceptional Attribute: Quickness (+2)
Exceptional Attribute: Intelligence (+2)

Flaws:
Choose any to counterbalance (+6) edges

This puts your Initiative at 10+2d6, when you take jazz it ups the initiative to 11+3d6 which is a max/min of 29/14. It also leaves you with money for equipment and an addiction to jazz. If you wanted to you might be able to finagle the boosted reflexes 3 plus jazz (going over 90,000 slightly) for an initiative of 11+4d6. Also to consider, you might be able to get wired reflexes (2) *used* for under 90,000.

[Req]

Used wired refs, huh? There's a nice safe piece of ware.

[Herald of Verjig...]

Switch race and resources. More cash, same elf.

[Kagetenshi]

[Herald of Verjig...]

Bah, sum to elf.

[ShadowPhoenix]

IIRC Quickdraw holsters in real life use a type of retainer spring at the bottom of the holster that puts pressure on the barrel of the weapon, which basically binds the barrel to the holster during active motion, but a tilt and pull pushes the spring away from the barrel and releases the gun. It's been a while since I've read Guns and Ammo, so I don't know how accurate my description is.

:D

[Kagetenshi]

[mfb]

for fifty bucks, you should be able to get a holster made of low-end smart materials in SR, with an equally low-end printreader glued onto the control system. as you grab your gun, you touch your finger to the printreader (put it over the trigger for ease of finding) and the holster lets go of the weapon.

sum-to-elf? is that the new math?