The Great CGL Rumors and Speculation Thread Options

[emouse]

Let me be very clear here that none of the people who resigned did so to keep from being fired.

You're definitely a lot closer and more in the know about this than I am, so I'll take your word on it. Thanks for clarifying. Obviously we hope the best for anyone who may end up in a difficult financial or job situation over something that wasn't their fault.

[Stahlseele]

Ssssh! Don't wake the trolls...

hey, i am awake . . if barely <.<

[ShimmerGeek]

Okay (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

So there shouldn't be any major problems like "Oh my God we can't afford to print ANYTHING" or anything that extreme? Just significant (or if we're lucky, insignificant!) delays at this point?


(You know how the Internet Drama rumour-mill is, everything has been suggesting it's the apocalypse for CGL... *sigh* (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif) )


That is awesome to hear about the Almanac and Corp Guide. Is the second Dawn of the Artifacts supplement still set to be printed fairly soon? (Since I noticed a PDF up)


Also, is there anything we can do to help? Should we buy more PDFs? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Bull]

Also, is there anything we can do to help? Should we buy more PDFs? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Buy Missions. Lots and lots of them (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

(In the middle of yesterday's... stuff, I accepted the role of Missions Coordinator for CGL. And if you guys buy lots of them, I may be able to weasel a little bit more than the shoe-string budget I'm on now to produce them, which means even better and cooler Missions (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) )

Bull

[Dread Moores]

The press release is nice to see. It's sad to hear about the situation, but I'm sure CGL will work through whatever they can, and it sounds as if that's the plan. I'm sure there may be going on behind the scenes as well, but in the end, that really isn't my business. This isn't a public company responsible to shareholders.

The loss of personnel is disappointing to me and possible loss of other revenue streams (Matt Grau and Wildfire crew saying they terminated their contract, Rob Boyle and EP Crew saying they are no longer freelancing). I'd be glad to see both those games land on their feet, but along with the CGL folks and freelancers who left, that's always tough to see long-term faces and project potentially gone. But again, their reasons for doing so, not my business. That's between them and CGL.

The biggest question at this point, is will this impact anything in terms of renewing the licenses with Topps? And that's all going to be a wait and see issue. The licenses will continue somewhere, and I'd really like it to be with CGL. Either way, they seem to be handling the situation well, and that's what matters right now.

To all the folks leaving, good luck. To all the folks remaing, good luck. Here's hoping for the best all around, and for everybody to land on their feet.

[Stahlseele]

Congratulations Bully O.o

[ShimmerGeek]

Buy Missions. Lots and lots of them (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

(In the middle of yesterday's... stuff, I accepted the role of Missions Coordinator for CGL. And if you guys buy lots of them, I may be able to weasel a little bit more than the shoe-string budget I'm on now to produce them, which means even better and cooler Missions (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) )

Bull

Unfortunately I already picked up all of the Missions last week (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

They are awesome though - especially Ready, Set, Gogh! and Knight at the Opera - (what can I say, the funkier ideas appeal)

I'd love to see a print copy collecting all the missions together - that'd be pretty awesome!

[Draco18s]

Insurance companies are willing to gamble on almost everything if you're willing to pay the premium.

Such as betting that the economy will collapse (that premium was almost free).

[emouse]

The loss of personnel is disappointing to me and possible loss of other revenue streams (Matt Grau and Wildfire crew saying they terminated their contract, Rob Boyle and EP Crew saying they are no longer freelancing).

From the tone both have taken, it sounds like resuming business with Catalyst is not completely out of the question, as long as CGL gets its house in order quickly.

[raben-aas]

everything has been suggesting it's the apocalypse for CGL...

Well, "everything" may be a little bit exaggerated, given the fact that "everything" is ONE post.

So far, we have two position: Frank says its Armaggeddon, Catalyst says everything will work out. And although one could say that that's just the stuff CGL HAS to say, that doesn't make Frank's doomsday scenario any more valid.

AAS

[ShimmerGeek]

Well, "everything" may be a little bit exaggerated, given the fact that "everything" is ONE post.

So far, we have two position: Frank says its Armaggeddon, Catalyst says everything will work out. And although one could say that that's just the stuff CGL HAS to say, that doesn't make Frank's doomsday scenario any more valid.

AAS

Like I said in my post, the Internet Rumour Mill as a whole. Not just this one thread.

[Jimson]

The loss of personnel is disappointing to me and possible loss of other revenue streams (Matt Grau and Wildfire crew saying they terminated their contract, Rob Boyle and EP Crew saying they are no longer freelancing). I'd be glad to see both those games land on their feet, but along with the CGL folks and freelancers who left, that's always tough to see long-term faces and project potentially gone. But again, their reasons for doing so, not my business. That's between them and CGL.

I might have missed this in reading through the thread, but who has resigned? Also, I'm curious what is meant by "Rob Boyle and EP Crew saying they are no longer freelancing". Does that mean they are no longer working on EP, or does it mean they are no longer freelancers and have been hired on?

[ShimmerGeek]

I might have missed this in reading through the thread, but who has resigned? Also, I'm curious what is meant by "Rob Boyle and EP Crew saying they are no longer freelancing". Does that mean they are no longer working on EP, or does it mean they are no longer freelancers and have been hired on?

Adam Jury has resigned, as has Jennifer Harding and uhm, one more person I think.


Also, afaik Rob Boyle owns Posthuman Studios (I think?) so that likely means he's going to do his Eclipse Phase stuff, but not do any products Catalyst is handling, like Shadowrun (I'd guess)

[Wesley Street]

Also, I'm curious what is meant by "Rob Boyle and EP Crew saying they are no longer freelancing". Does that mean they are no longer working on EP, or does it mean they are no longer freelancers and have been hired on?

I am waiting to see what Catalyst has to say before I make a public post. In the meantime, it's fair to note that the Operations Manager, Accountant/Office Manager, and Adam Jury (layout ninja) have all resigned. Catalyst didn't actually employ me, so I can't resign, but I will no longer be freelancing for them.

Posthuman Studios is committed to continuing Eclipse Phase, though exactly how that will play out we can't say just yet. I also can't say just yet how this will affect the release schedule. We're working on it. As quoted on our twitter feed, publishers are like morphs, you can always resleeve if necessary.

Like Rob said, we'll maintain, however the chips fall.

Also please note that Trollman's post... well, you oughta see an inappropriate amount of gleefulness in it if you read between the lines. Two well beloved game franchises are at stake (and I don't mean ours), so I'm not sure what's up with the chum-in-the-shark-tank tone. If it's proven true, it's awful. In the mean time, he & everyone else need to relax.

Future of Eclipse Phase? I'm still knocking out verbiage for a book that was slated to come out two books after Sunward, and I'll be damned if it doesn't see the light of day. I also know I'm not the only one on the core crew of writers who feels that way.

Take that for what it's worth.

[Adam]

Also, afaik Rob Boyle owns Posthuman Studios (I think?)

Posthuman Studios is owned by Rob Boyle, Brian Cross, and myself.

[Jimson]

Thanks. That helps clear the air. For some reason, Eclipse Phase forum is blocked at my work, but dumpshock is ok. For all that is going on, I wish everyone the best, and appreciate everyone's hard work over the years.

[Dread Moores]

Posthuman Studios is owned by Rob Boyle, Brian Cross, and myself.

Huh. That I wasn't aware of. Thanks for that info.

[emouse]

As a side bar, this seems like an eerily appropriate parallel...

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Dreamwave
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Dreamwave#Trouble_on_the_horizon
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Pat_Lee

Dreamwave had a popular property with Transformers but mysteriously didn't have the money to pay freelancers and eventually lost the license because it couldn't pay licensing fees.

Working in CGL's favor is that it has multiple owners and even the rumors seem to indicate that only a single individual was in the wrong. Hopefully CGL caught the problem early enough that it can recover, get upcoming fees paid, and possibly patch things up, or at least do the right thing for their freelancers and partners. We'll see!

[emouse]

Posthuman Studios is owned by Rob Boyle, Brian Cross, and myself.

That also helps some of the resignations make more sense. If someone has to choose between working for an employer who they feel has betrayed them or their friends, or working for their own company with those friends, the choice is pretty obvious!

[JongWK]

I'm owed money. And contracts.

At this point, and unless there are better news fast, I see no point in holding back all the SoLA stuff.

[Rotbart van Dain...]

At this point, and unless there are better news fast, I see no point in holding back all the SoLA stuff.

Well, three countries of SoLA are already out there. It really would be nice seeing it (mostly) complete – and the final word was that this won't happen officially.

[Draco18s]

...

Guys, we're turning into JackPoint. Seriously.

Or.... Shadowtalk? ;P

[ShimmerGeek]

Well, three countries of SoLA are already out there. It really would be nice seeing it (mostly) complete – and the final word was that this won't happen officially.

Sorry, SoLA?

[rumanchu]

Sorry, SoLA?

I believe that it stands for Shadows of Latin America.

[Prime Mover]

So much good stuff in the pipeline, keeping fingers crossed. SoLA still causing a ruckus imagine if SR license lapsed with a dozen good projects in limbo....