The Great CGL Rumors and Speculation Thread Options

[kjones]

(And come on, Frank trollman, who doesn't expect a good trolling every now and again from someone with it in their name... or maybe it's titular?

I think that's his real name...

[tete]

They collapsed because in the face of a deliberate and coordinated attack on the shelf space and market share by OGL 3e D&D they decided to try to get "new fans" by making a whole new World of Darkness that no one liked.

That wasn't it at all... Time of Judgement was in the works since Vampire 1st edition. But Justin has said a few times on RPG.net that if he were to do it again they either should have just remade oWOD or really pushed for a new game rather than putting in throw backs to the old game.

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Ouch. Talk about a hard way to get (re)introduced to SR.

For what its worth....I don't think either scenario is how it shook out here. What I'm going to write is basically speculation, but I would be unsurprised if it hit close to the truth.

Way I see it shaking out:

Way back when, InMediaRes/CGL was a tiny company, basically more of a hobby with articles of incorporation than a full-time job. Lots and lots of gaming companies start like this.

At that time, one of the owners comingled the business account with his personal accounts. This is a nono, but is incredibly common. Essentially, he used the company as a piggy bank.

Personally, I'm not letting this impact whether or not I get CGL stuff. My money shortage has a much bigger impact.

I'm not sure, to be quite honest, whether it should impact whether you get CGL stuff, either.

No I'm excited to get the books and get back into shadowrun. I got some new WoD Books awhile back and i thought that there there new system was ridiculous (fixed target numbers no soak tests etc etc ), the books are high quality and well written but I couldn't stomach it. I found out SR4 was similar so avoided it but after actually reading the core book I really like the new system and they made fixed target numbers work. I'd still prefer softcover books instead of hardcover but I'll probably buy some pdf's and have them bound in the future.

Comingling personal and corporate assets is often a way to hide money from spouses during divorces or for tax reasons and can be legal in some cases.

But as it has been mentioned palladium books survived embezzlement so there is no reason CGL can't, the thing that palladium didnt survive was the death of kevin's wife. All their books layout quality look like drek now and their quality has sharply declined because of loss of key staff.

[Adam]

But as it has been mentioned palladium books survived embezzlement so there is no reason CGL can't, the thing that palladium didnt survive was the death of kevin's wife.

Kevin's wife didn't die; she's just no longer his wife. And although you may not like Palladium's stuff, they're still around and publishing.

[Rotbart van Dain...]

It's wait & see now, anyway.

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Kevin's wife didn't die; she's just no longer his wife. And although you may not like Palladium's stuff, they're still around and publishing.

She didnt die? I swear I have a rifter in a box somewhere saying that she died of cancer or something and that she will be sorely missed. I guess i could be wrong. But yes, they are still around after the financial fiasco caused by - I think it was cj carella? - that was my point.

[Adam]

She didnt die? I swear I have a rifter in a box somewhere saying that she died of cancer or something and that she will be sorely missed. I guess i could be wrong. But yes, they are still around after the financial fiasco caused by - I think it was cj carella? - that was my point.

1. You're thinking of Erick Wujcik: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erick_Wujcik
2. All published reports indicate that CJ Carella had absolutely nothing to do with the "Crisis of Treachery;" the person who faced charges in that matter was Steve Sheiring: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palladium_Boo...of_Treachery.22

[knasser]

Considering we've had no news since JM Harding's post, and the fact is Catalyst's press realease addresses this issue, could this thread get locked?

Censorship is bad. If people wish to talk, others shouldn't stop them. And arguments on the Internet aren't really that scary. We're not the WotC boards. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

K.

[Stahlseele]

No, we are the most official shadowrun board that will ever have existed in english it seems.

[X-Kalibur]

Censorship is bad. If people wish to talk, others shouldn't stop them. And arguments on the Internet aren't really that scary. We're not the WotC boards. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

K.

Or worse, the Blizzard boards! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rotfl.gif)

[Prime Mover]

As long as were discussing rumors DotA2 coming out in a few days??

[Stahlseele]

*points covertly at the cbt boards*
Midnight should be available soon enough.
Isn't the pdf available allready? O.o

[Demonseed Elite]

Now, I think most freelancers don't care where their rightly deserved creds come from. IF there was a way that SR fans could donate money to pay the freelancers WITHOUT giving that money to CGL or working through CGL, that may be a win-win situation for all

Well, I'm no longer owed money by CGL, so I can only comment to my past experiences, but I did actually care where the money came from. It's a matter of professionalism and trust; we sign contracts with CGL (which they write) and we expect them to honor those contracts. Besides, if the money came from some fan donation, it wouldn't really resolve the legal issues of the contract. You could end up with a messy situation where fans donate to a freelancer and the freelancer could still withhold copyright because the contract is still in violation. I'm not saying that would happen, but it could.

As for SoLA, I just want to go on the record for myself as saying that I never felt pressured by FanPro or CGL to not release my drafts. I didn't release them earlier because I had hoped they'd be released as an official PDF or something. I also held onto them because I had chatted with some of the other SoLA freelancers about doing our own unofficial SoLA, maybe updating the material or at least releasing it together. But that became too complicated to organize. So finally I just released them because I knew holding onto them wasn't really accomplishing anything and at least some fans might get some enjoyment or use out of my draft material.

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1. You're thinking of Erick Wujcik: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erick_Wujcik
2. All published reports indicate that CJ Carella had absolutely nothing to do with the "Crisis of Treachery;" the person who faced charges in that matter was Steve Sheiring: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palladium_Boo...of_Treachery.22

lol, there goes all my credibility I was wrong on both counts.

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But yeah didn't someone at the beginning of the thread say there would be another announcement today?

[Prime Mover]

*points covertly at the cbt boards*
Midnight should be available soon enough.
Isn't the pdf available allready? O.o

I see amazon has it listed as available....just luv there system.
Pdf went up same time as vice's did. Finally got my copy of Vice ordered it on 23rd from Paizo just got it delivered two days ago.

[crizh]

lol, there goes all my credibility I was wrong on both counts.

And that admission earns you the only sort of credibility that really counts online.

[JM Hardy]

But yeah didn't someone at the beginning of the thread say there would be another announcement today?

The main announcement I was anticipating came out early, on Tuesday evening. I don't know what the plan might be for future announcements.

Jason H.

[Stahlseele]

I think that's his real name...

It is. And so VERY fitting, because he can be both very frank and a bit of a Troll if he wants to ^^

[X-Kalibur]

It is. And so VERY fitting, because he can be both very frank and a bit of a Troll if he wants to ^^

Well played, sir; well played.

[BookWyrm]

I think the point is this; all rumors are just that--RUMORS. I always wait for confirmation on anything, whether it's a company's apparent downfall, restructuring, books coming out or whatever. I've always felt that rumor-mongering is the domain of petty {expletives} who have nothing better to do with their time and energy, and I will not pay them heed by believeing them.

I have been reading a lot of Palladium Books' works (mostly Rifts, but not PFRPG), and I was saddened when Kevin & Maryann split. But they parted on amicable terms, and both ane not only well, they are still on good terms with each other.
The passing of Eric Wujcik, and the Crisis of Treachery, were hard blows, but I can tell you, as one who donated to Palladium (& I am looking forward to the book Heroes of the Megaverse), the company is doing better.

Now, lets' get back to the more important stuff, shall we?

[Dr.Rockso]

Now, lets' get back to the more important stuff, shall we?

Unlikely. This is the 6th world's greatest knitting circle!

[X-Kalibur]

I think the point is this; all rumors are just that--RUMORS. I always wait for confirmation on anything, whether it's a company's apparent downfall, restructuring, books coming out or whatever. I've always felt that rumor-mongering is the domain of petty {expletives} who have nothing better to do with their time and energy, and I will not pay them heed by believeing them.

I have been reading a lot of Palladium Books' works (mostly Rifts, but not PFRPG), and I was saddened when Kevin & Maryann split. But they parted on amicable terms, and both ane not only well, they are still on good terms with each other.
The passing of Eric Wujcik, and the Crisis of Treachery, were hard blows, but I can tell you, as one who donated to Palladium (& I am looking forward to the book Heroes of the Megaverse), the company is doing better.

Now, lets' get back to the more important stuff, shall we?

Like the Robotech material they produced? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/talker.gif)

[Stahlseele]

*snarls* hate robotech, harmony gold still keeps the unseen unseen <.<

[cryptoknight]

I think most here can attest to thinking the same. I'm almost certain no one would buy a WotC 5th Edition ShadowRun, unfortunately if it does come to that, we might inadvertently kill off the game forever (other than all of us still playing 4E).

Anyway, I'm sure this can get sorted out and we can all go back to embezzling fictional currency of non-existent mega-corps run by mythological creatures.

Weirdly enough... as a player of both systems... I drool in glee at the thought of a 4e D&D version of Shadowrun.

It's not the mechanics that matter that much... simpler mechanics wouldn't hurt that bad. It's the stories that matter... as long as the adventures were well written and Shadowrunny, the fact that street sams had at-wills, encounter and daily powers wouldn't phase me a bit.

[nspace]

When an organization loses a chunk of employees, it is usually a sign of a failure cascade.

People prone to quitting generally tend to quit on their own volition for any number of imaginary reasons, so there is rarely enough of them accumulated to quit as a group in response to a temporary rough patch.

Organizations tend to rapidly bleed quality employees as soon as they think an organization has crossed the tipping point into failure cascade. They know that they can go find another non-sinking ship to be successful on, and are wise enough to not to get sucked into a draining situation that will only get uglier before it completely implodes.


I wouldn't be overly surprised to see SR die, or there be a SR5 under a new company.